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[SirStretchAlot]

If it's in both legs than nail failure is unlikely. If it's just in one leg than you might have a nail dysfunction.

It took me around 4 hours initially too. Every click is torture as it pulls on entire strings of muscles throughout your thigh. My left was trivial, but my right knee had the same problem as you did.

Though I had pain clicking since day 1. The fact that you are having problems after a week of easy clicks indicate rapid bone formation, or a muscle knot. Have Giotikas look at your x-ray as well as your thigh/knee muscles.

1) Walk/stretch a lot before clicking as that warms up your muscles.
2) Click in a bathtub with hot water submerging your knees.
3) Make sure to click an hour before you take muscle relaxants and painkillers, as that is when they're at their peak effect.
4) Ask for more painkillers, or local anesthasia.
5) Be prepared that it was clicking hell for me until 3cm, when it became bearable. It was somewhat painful by 5cm, and trivial by 7cm.

This will take up a significant portion of your day.

[V21]

Thanks for your messages. Both legs were easy to click last week, and now the issue is also happening in both of them. So yeah, it sounds unlikely that there is a nail problem in both legs, specially because something similar is happening to the other G nail patient. At this point, I think that muscle knots are the problem: there parts of my knee and quads that feel like stones whe you touch them.

Last week, the PT guys focused on flexibility and mobility, but did nothing regarding the muscle knots that were growing cause of the clicks. Today they noticed and changed their aproach, and started doing massages. I do hope this is the issue, and seems likely because the other patient also has "hard" spots on his quads.

Finally, to be precice: the click is not very painful for me, the pain comes for the twisting movement I have to do to get the click. In any case, I will get X rays in 2 hours, so I will keep you posted.

[SpeedDialer]

ty!!!

What are the most difficult tasks for you with the gnail inside of you? Which are the most dangerous in your experience?

[V21]

Hey guys. All is good with the nail. My clicking problems are caused by strong bone formation and the inflammation that happens at this stage. In order to solve it, the doctor has given me ibuprofen, which is supposed to fight the inflammation. To be honest, it worked on my left leg: pain went from 7 to 5, and I was able to do all my clicks without screaming. However, my right leg (it's the bad one) felt the same, and I wasn't able to click at all. Dr. says that this leg has much more inflammation, so I have to take a few more pills during the day and try again tomorrow. I will do it, hopefully it works. If it doesn't... what options do I have? Clicking under anesthesia? Besides, due to my strong bone growth, I have do 1.33 mm per day instead of 1 mm, and right now that's impossible to do in my right leg. With luck, I can get one click after trying 45 minutes lol. I hope this leg is better tomorrow.

BTW: I'm at 2.2 cm left leg, 2.1 cm right leg

[Christopherbulder]

it is about the bone intensification which blocks the nail that starts at the 15 days for 10 days the doctor Guichet   give 1.5 minutes during this period of 10 days really difficult and painful the great problem of the GNAIL then all will be well until the end.

[tallmen]

Hey guys. All is good with the nail. My clicking problems are caused by strong bone formation and the inflammation that happens at this stage. In order to solve it, the doctor has given me ibuprofen, which is supposed to fight the inflammation. To be honest, it worked on my left leg: pain went from 7 to 5, and I was able to do all my clicks without screaming. However, my right leg (it's the bad one) felt the same, and I wasn't able to click at all. Dr. says that this leg has much more inflammation, so I have to take a few more pills during the day and try again tomorrow. I will do it, hopefully it works. If it doesn't... what options do I have? Clicking under anesthesia? Besides, due to my strong bone growth, I have do 1.33 mm per day instead of 1 mm, and right now that's impossible to do in my right leg. With luck, I can get one click after trying 45 minutes lol. I hope this leg is better tomorrow.

BTW: I'm at 2.2 cm left leg, 2.1 cm right leg

Ibuprofien might also slow down the bone growth so it'll hopefully get better.

[LU213]

Keep up the good work.  You are fighting through the difficult part.  Precise is starting to look more attractive with the magnetic movements but then is that better than not being able to bear weight?  who knows.  No matter which way we go, the path is not easy.

[SirStretchAlot]

Hey guys. All is good with the nail. My clicking problems are caused by strong bone formation and the inflammation that happens at this stage. In order to solve it, the doctor has given me ibuprofen, which is supposed to fight the inflammation. To be honest, it worked on my left leg: pain went from 7 to 5, and I was able to do all my clicks without screaming. However, my right leg (it's the bad one) felt the same, and I wasn't able to click at all. Dr. says that this leg has much more inflammation, so I have to take a few more pills during the day and try again tomorrow. I will do it, hopefully it works. If it doesn't... what options do I have? Clicking under anesthesia? Besides, due to my strong bone growth, I have do 1.33 mm per day instead of 1 mm, and right now that's impossible to do in my right leg. With luck, I can get one click after trying 45 minutes lol. I hope this leg is better tomorrow.

BTW: I'm at 2.2 cm left leg, 2.1 cm right leg

Yeah, it is due to rapid bone formation as I suspected, which was the same case with me. You just need to apply so much more force to twist your leg, and your muscles hate you for it. This is a problem with all Albizzia nails. I had the same problem with Betz. It gets better once you past 3cm, and much better past 5cm. Ibuprofen and hot water are the only things that helped me. Massage didn't do much.

Unfortunately, we were the unlucky ones. I envied those who had no clicking problems.

[V21]

I don't know what's happening guys, but I can't get the click on the right leg. I push trought extreme pain and get to a 90 degrees twist and nothing happens. This is extremely frustrating and takes a heavy toll mentally. In theory the nail is ok according to the X rays, but I don't know if these nails can get "stuck". The nurse thinks is due to bone formation and inflammation, and at this point I have asked the clicks to be performed under anesthesia just to make it work again. These days have been really bad. The left leg clicks much easier after taking Ibuprofen, the doctor was right with that. But I don't know wtf happens in the right.

[Christopherbulder]

albizzia and gnail remain bearing nails rather very resistant to any test the largest remain the clicks the first 3 weeks basically you break the bone with the clicks I find it spoils the procedure making clicks with the swollen leg of the  operation remains a hell you end up in a sweat with sick pains to bend your leg fortunately just 15 days

[V21]

Update: Dr. Giotikas just called and told me to go to his office tomorrow at 3 pm. He will try to do the clicks on me. I feel much more comfortable this way: if he can do it with better technique fine, and if he can't he will realise there is a problem and will find a solution. I was getting desperate of trying everything by myself, so this is very good.

[V21]

Clicking tomorrow under anesthesia.

[eric.cartman]

Clicking tomorrow under anesthesia.

Good luck, bro! Sounds like it's the right thing to do in the current situation. Once you get those clicks behind you, I'm sure it will be much better.

[DonBones]

Clicking tomorrow under anesthesia.

On the bright side, you will probably get 3mm or so in one go. Good luck mate, keep us updated

[V21]

On the bright side, you will probably get 3mm or so in one go. Good luck mate, keep us updated

Yeah, just hope it works. Dr. Giotikas tried really hard to make me click today, but nothing happened. He is very confident that the nail is ok: it clicked no problem until 3 days ago, the X rays look perfect, there is no consolidation yet... and thinks that my pain and inflammation is so high that the mechanism cant work with me awaken. However, I'm terrified there is some kind of nail malfunction. The Dr. himself admits none of this is my fault and I'm a very compliant patient. Just hoping it works, cause I definetely can't afford other surgery, and I don't know if in a case like this the manufacturer takes responsability. It would be a nightmare to have sacrificed so much to get here and end up at 2.2 cm only. I will update tomorrow.

[tallmen]

pain and inflammation is so high that the mechanism cant work with me awaken

Doesn't make sense to me. Let's see what happens. Maybe he'll have to do a lot of tries to make the clicks work again. Maybe the nail is stuck or something so he'll do a lot of tried and it'll start working again. He should've given you NSAIDs from the beginning. Parihar gives NSAIDs to keep inflammation in control for 1st month.

[SirStretchAlot]

You will have to do each click in stages. Apply some force each time. The pain is too great if you do it in one go.

If it turns out to be a nail defect, that's big news.

[DonBones]

Doesn't make sense to me. Let's see what happens. Maybe he'll have to do a lot of tries to make the clicks work again. Maybe the nail is stuck or something so he'll do a lot of tried and it'll start working again. He should've given you NSAIDs from the beginning. Parihar gives NSAIDs to keep inflammation in control for 1st month.

NSAIDs negatively affect bone healing. I don't know what Parihar does, but V21 please don't take anything unless Giotikas specifically advises that you do.

@V21 - Giotikas seems like a conscientious man, I am sure he will sort you out and won't charge extra if something has to be fixed, hang in there mate

[V21]

I'm happy to say all went good, the nail has 0 issues. It seems that my pain was so extreme that the tension and tightness of my body would not allow the mechanism to work properly. Yesterday I asked Giotikas to try to click, and he moved my legs in positions that you can't even imagine. For 10 minutes pain was 9/10, and in the last movements it got to 10/10 and I asked him to stop. However, under anesthesia today, he said that clicks were extremely easy. He has done like 6 mm in my right leg, so I think now I'm not in risk of preconsolidation there.

Taking into account that big amount of growth, my leg is very tight, specially the IT bands. However, I have been biking and strecthing for 2 hours, and it's coming back to normal. I also don't have any kind of nerve pain. To sum up, the nail works perfectly, and I'm happy to be moving forward. I hope in the next days I can click the right leg on my own.

Regardin what was said by Sirstrecthalot, I do the clicks on stages, and I think I was having the same pain as you on right leg. However, in my case the mechanism didn't click: I was pushing trough pain but I got nothing. That's why in my case anesthesia was 100% needed.

Regarding pain, I understand that some people may think I'm exaggerating when I say 9/10. It's no exaggeration, and I have a high resistance to pain. For example, to put things into context, an user who did Stryde with Giotikas said that in PT pain was 9/10. Well, for me PT it/s 5/10 at worst, so imagine what kind of pain is if I say 9/10. I was literally going to pass out, but didn't ask the doctor to stop cause I was desperate to get the click.

In any case, today has been a success, and I'm quite happy with the profesionality of Dr. Giotikas. He did not charge anything, and neither did the anesthesist woman. I did have to pay 250 euros because of hosptal fees. Let's hope there are no more complication

[V21]

IMPORTANT: Don't let my story frighten you cause I'm the unluckiest guy ever. The other G nail patient is doing perfectly fine with clicking.

[tallmen]

IMPORTANT: Don't let my story frighten you cause I'm the unluckiest guy ever. The other G nail patient is doing perfectly fine with clicking.

I can't help myself. 

[V21]

Btw, Giotikas told me to drop Ibuprofen and take Voltaren instead

[SirStretchAlot]

We were both unlucky, but I think your case was even tougher. I could always click, but it took 20min of mental pain preperation to do a single click. Sometimes I would even give up half way because the pain was too much. Its something others will never understand.

I have had a case where an in-patient had to click under anesthasia also. He had clicking problems after 2 weeks and decided to stay in Athens a bit longer. I think you should too.

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? I'm 29.

[V21]

We were both unlucky, but I think your case was even tougher. I could always click, but it took 20min of mental pain preperation to do a single click. Sometimes I would even give up half way because the pain was too much. Its something others will never understand.

I have had a case where an in-patient had to click under anesthasia also. He had clicking problems after 2 weeks and decided to stay in Athens a bit longer. I think you should too.

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? I'm 29.

Hey man, I'm 24. First week clicking was easy. Second week I think it was like in your case: excruciating pain, but the click would happen as long as I was able to twist 90 degrees. It took maye 2 hours to get 10 clicks. However, since last Saturday, I wasn't able to click even if I pushed trough pain. That was devastating mentally, cause I was taking unbelievable pain (you can understand it) for nothing, over and over again. Giotikas twisted my leg in every possible way, and no click either, that's why I was terrified about nail malfunction. But nope, under anesthesia there was no problem at all, he did like 100 clicks in 15 minutes. Tomorrow I have to try again to click right leg, let's see if I can do it. I will be staying in Athens 3 months, so no problem with that.

[DonBones]

Hey man, I'm 24. First week clicking was easy. Second week I think it was like in your case: excruciating pain, but the click would happen as long as I was able to twist 90 degrees. It took maye 2 hours to get 10 clicks. However, since last Saturday, I wasn't able to click even if I pushed trough pain. That was devastating mentally, cause I was taking unbelievable pain (you can understand it) for nothing, over and over again. Giotikas twisted my leg in every possible way, and no click either, that's why I was terrified about nail malfunction. But nope, under anesthesia there was no problem at all, he did like 100 clicks in 15 minutes. Tomorrow I have to try again to click right leg, let's see if I can do it. I will be staying in Athens 3 months, so no problem with that.

100 clicks dude, how are you feeling after that? Must be very tight? I saw one guy at Elke's how did 3mm under anaesthesia and he cried afterwards because the stiffness was so extreme.

[V21]

100 clicks dude, how are you feeling after that? Must be very tight? I saw one guy at Elke's how did 3mm under anaesthesia and he cried afterwards because the stiffness was so extreme.

Lol, in my case is more than 6 mm, as with G Nail 1 mm = 15 clicks. My leg felt hard as a rock when I woke up, and I wasn't even able to straighten up the knee 100%. However, I was hours strecthing and biking yesterday and now I'm decent. I have definetely lost flexibility, but I still can touch my butt with my heel when stretching quads, my harmstring almost 90 degres.. However, it hurts and I feel that I must keep stretching hard to avoid it getting tight again.  It's a weird feeling.I'm strecthing every hour and biking 4-5 times per day. Luckily, no nerve pain either.

Right leg: 2.8 cm
Left leg: 2.6 cm

[V21]

Btw, Giotikas told me not to click this leg today and wait until Saturday. Tomorrow I will now if I can do it again on my own. The guys who did anesthesia were able to click properly after it?

[DonBones]

Btw, Giotikas told me not to click this leg today and wait until Saturday. Tomorrow I will now if I can do it again on my own. The guys who did anesthesia were able to click properly after it?

One unlucky guy could not click at all by himself and had to click under anaesthesia exclusively. That is until he was at 4cm which is when I met him. Perhaps he is better now. Btw, he is 16 years old and recovered superbly otherwise.

All others I have met personally could click without problems after one anaesthesia clicking session, and I have not heard of anyone else having to return.

[V21]

Giotikas was 100% right with Voltaren. I took it today and clicking pain on left leg when from 7 to 4, which is really great. Of course, the "impossible" leg was right leg, and that one I will click tomorrow, but it seems encouraging at least.

[canterk]

The clicking stories scare me and i really wish the magnetic option was available right now. but its not so i think i have to prepare for this clicking if i want to do femurs in the near future.

Thanks v21 for updating us regularly.

[SirStretchAlot]

@V21
My hopes are out for you with the right leg. Most of those who I talked to could click after 1 or 2 anesthasia sessions, although not without pain.

And while 6mm is intense, don't slow down unless Giotikas/X-ray tells you to. For a 24year old male, your callus should form rapidly. If it's too hard, clicking will become harder again.

@canterk

I thought Gnail had at least ameliorated the clicking problem compared to Betzbone, but it doesn't seem to have happened.

Becareful about magnetic nails though. If your callus is too hard, it won't be able to click at all, because you can apply more mechanical force on Albizzia nails than magnetic ones.