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[GeTs]

1.Actually LL on taller initial people is easier because of the initial elongation of the bond
2.This surgery is very common in Russia just for slightly different target(leg correction)
3.Tell me how all of a sudden avrg guys who do this surgery are considered mentally ill why short guys not, this surgery if anything was for people suffering dwarfism
4. At the end of the day the thing that matters is health and avrg guys will have a better chance at recovering, since they do reasonable amount of lengthening and the longer the  initial length of the bone the better the elongation

[TRS]

I reckon it's useless to justify to others why you need LL at any height. If you really want LL and think that it will make you happy then go for it, no one is stopping you. It's your life and you decide what you want to do with it. LL may sound pretty easy on the forum. It can be a euphoric feeling when sitting down in front of your computer with a healthy pair of legs and dream of being taller. It's also pretty easy to tell others how bad your life is at your current height and post proportions/mockup pics. But the truth is that only the truly motivated will be able to handle the sight of the surgical ward, the surgical equipments and a needle going through the spine. I honestly think that >85% of members will not end up doing LL when they realise the true nature of LL and the tremendous stress/pressure that comes along when the surgery date closes in.
All the best guys

[Overdozer]

its a mental problem for everyone it doesnt matter if youre 165 or 185.

Why not go ahead and say that it's a mental problem for everyone doesn't matter if 140 cm or 200? Like, seriously. 165 isn't 185. They're at opposite percentiles

[123]

Disregard the haters Kunta kintie. Who knows you better: you or them? You have a much better idea of what will truly make you happy than they will ever admit. I can relate to you. I am almost your height and am going to get LL. I have accomplished a lot in my life, but I never felt satisfied with my height, while I felt satisfied with all other aspects of my life. I am the shortest adult male in my family. I know for a fact that I am not crazy as these jealous people claim, and I know that you are not crazy in wanting LL either. We may be vain, perhaps, but I don't think that that would consitiute craziness. I wish that old forum members wouldn't be so discriminatory. It's our body and cosmetic LL is our choice, just as it is anyone else's.

This community is here to discuss LL, to help others to get the best results with their LL, and provide support for others as go through it. THIS COMMUNITY WAS NOT INTENDED TO JUDGE OR CONDEMN PROSPECTIVE PATIENTS WHO HAVE NOT HURT ANYONE (BESIDES POTENTIALLY THEMSELVES), OR TO CRITICIZE OR NEGATE THEIR RIGHT TO ANYTHING THAT ANYONE ELSE HAS A RIGHT TO.

I will now begin ignoring comments that display such attitudes, and I encourage the other members of this forum to do the same.

It's not jealousy. You guys have other problems. I'm 99% sure you will be as happy after LL as you are now. There are some cases when doing LL is worth it and when not and in your case it's not. What in the hell would be different if you were a few cm/inches taller? Are your legs too short for normal trousers? Are you too short to talk with other people at eye level? Are you too short to reach things at the top shelfs? Are you at such a height that you will like a kid when talking to women in high heels? Are you that short, that when you go out without lifts everyone towers over you? Are you that short when you are standing in public transportation you feel like a little baby?

You know these are some reasons to do LL because after you LL you will be able to talk to people at eye level because you will be able to buy trousers in the adult section etc. etc..

You are just dumb and thankfully there are just a few moneyhungry orthopedic surgeons who will do LL to people who are mentally ill like you. You have to talk to a psychiatrist.

And btw do you call accomplishment in your life being 24/7 in LL-forum despite not being at a disadvantage because of your height?

[TRS]

its a mental problem for everyone it doesnt matter if youre 165 or 185.

It's unfair to compare a 165cm to a 185cm person. A 165cm man has to face and deal with heightism on a daily basis. This will eventually lead to mental problems and low self esteem.
Heightism is basically nonexistent at 185cm and they do not have to cope with the pressures a short person faces everyday. It is purely a mental problem if a person is unsatisfied with their height at 185cm because they have not faced any sort of height discrimination from others. This is why psychological evaluation is needed if someone at 185cm wants to pursue LL.

[GeTs]

I have to agree. There's a thing called objectivity, I was objectively short at 167 cm or 5'6. That is 5 percentile, so I was shorter than 95% of the male population of my country. At 5'10 you're at 50 percentile, so you're taller than 50% of the male. 5 isn't 50. There's a difference between a woman 200 lbs that wants to lose weight and a woman 100 lbs that wants to lose even more weight. The second case is obviously a psychiatric disorder.

your comparison is wrong, I'd have been correct if it was a 6'1 who wanted to get taller

[mrtall]

Haha, wth is a 'dream height' supposed to be anyway? This isn't some damn fashion show and that you want to do lengthening just to achieve a 'dream height' shows you are a very big narcissist. Should work on that ego problem of yours with therapy rather than crippling yourself out of vanity and stupidity. Yea it may be a mental problem for everyone who does it but shorter people have legitimate reasons to want to risk their health. They're trying to stop the discrimination they get. People like yourself who want to get this at your height are just doing it out of some inflated ego problem. Seriously at your height you have to be a nutcase to think about height so heavily that you would seek out limb lengthening.It should be a no brainer that 5'11 and perfectly healthy is better than 6'1 and partially handicapped.

6'-6'4 is master race.

[Moubgf]

6'-6'4 is master race.

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If women did not exist, there would be no master race. Matter of fact, majority of tall guys would be dead from shorter superior guys. Shorter Guys are legit better at everything then taller guys. Combat, sports, daily calori-intake, smarter, quicker you name it we win at it.

IF it was not for the perception of height and the whores reinforcing it. I would never ever get this surgery.

[IwannaBeTaller]

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If women did not exist, there would be no master race. Matter of fact, majority of tall guys would be dead from shorter superior guys. Shorter Guys are legit better at everything then taller guys. Combat, sports, daily calori-intake, smarter, quicker you name it we win at it.

IF it was not for the perception of height and the whores reinforcing it. I would never ever get this surgery.

So the only reason you wanna do this is women? That's sad, man.

[Wannabegiant]

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If women did not exist, there would be no master race. Matter of fact, majority of tall guys would be dead from shorter superior guys. Shorter Guys are legit better at everything then taller guys. Combat, sports, daily calori-intake, smarter, quicker you name it we win at it.

IF it was not for the perception of height and the whores reinforcing it. I would never ever get this surgery.

I kind of agree

In todays society with all the technology and where you dont need to fight with fists to survive and intelligence is more valued, being tall is quite unneccesary if it werent for women. Short people can defend themselves just as easily with guns and knives etc, and they need less food and live longer on average.

[Moubgf]

I kind of agree

In todays society with all the technology and where you dont need to fight with fists to survive and intelligence is more valued, being tall is quite unneccesary if it werent for women. Short people can defend themselves just as easily with guns and knives etc, and they need less food and live longer on average.

Much lesser rate of cancer, Much lesser chance of heart attacks..it goes on and on. The only thing tall guys have is unproportinal long legs and arms to make up for their cartonish frame. But the women don't see that. They think they are all so big and strong and oooooh hes so manly.

[Moubgf]

So the only reason you wanna do this is women? That's sad, man.

"IF it was not for the perception of height and the whores reinforcing it. I would never ever get this surgery."

[tapemeasure]

But it depends on where you live, if you live in Scandinavia what do u propose? Move to india? I'm 5'10'' I wanted to be 6' among other things because I'm the shortest at my family male side. I do not want to go crazy like Apotheosis(from old forum ) who did 10/10 cms on each limb, just 5cms I would be satisfied.

Edit: Just as a note, my dad is 6'1'' and my mother is 5'9'', so yeah...she is like my height. I don't know what went wrong haha, maybe my father had secret LL? maybe she betrayed him with a short guy? Or maybe staying home all day playing on the PC caused some lack of vitamin D hahaha

Myabe this is why I didn't grow to my potential? I did spend a lot of time indoors on the computer when I was young (and still do). Can this cause stunted growth? I'm 5'10, mum is 5'6, dad 6' and brother 6'1. I should have grown to at least 6'.

[mrtall]

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If women did not exist, there would be no master race. Matter of fact, majority of tall guys would be dead from shorter superior guys. Shorter Guys are legit better at everything then taller guys. Combat, sports, daily calori-intake, smarter, quicker you name it we win at it.

IF it was not for the perception of height and the whores reinforcing it. I would never ever get this surgery.

I'm sorry, you are seriously delusional. You know as well as I do that if you could have chosen your height you would have chosen 6' minimum.

first of all saying small people are "better" at calorie intake is just stupid.. its not a competition.

At this height you feel practically invincible to the average untrained brawler.

As for the matter of athletic ability, this is a mute point:

World's fastest man: usain Bolt 6'5
greatest Boxer of all time: Muhammed Ali 6'3,
greatest quarterback of all time:  Tom Brady: 6'4
greatest tennis player of our time: Roger Federer 6'1
EUFA best soccer player in europe 2014: Cristiano CRonnie7: 6'1
Current UFC heavyweight champion: Cain Velasquez: 6'1

Finally, it has been shown in countless studies that height and intelligence are correlated. I can give you links if you wish.

You need to chill out about these FACTS.

[Wannabegiant]

I'm sorry, you are seriously delusional.

first of all saying small people are "better" at calorie intake is just stupid.. its not a competition.

As for the matter of athletic ability:

World's fastest man: usain Bolt 6'5
greatest Boxer of all time: Muhammed Ali 6'3,
greatest quarterback of all time:  Tom Brady: 6'4
greatest tennis player of our time: Roger Federer 6'1
EUFA best soccer player in europe 2014: Cristiano CRonnie7: 6'1
Current UFC heavyweight champion: Cain Velasquez: 6'1

Finally, it has been shown in countless studies that height and intelligence are correlated. I can give you links if you wish.

You need to chill out about these FACTS.

Pound for pound i dont think taller people are more athletic than shorter ones. With that i mean relative to their size/weight, the abilities of shorter people are more impressive. However when breaking world records and gaining interest from the public masses, then higher numbers and larger people is the answer, thats what people care the most about.

For example in the UFC, its very easy to observe that the smaller weight classes are way more skilled and talented on average, while the bigger fighters are slower, have worse coordination, less stamina etc. You might make the argument that being bigger genetically means you are not physically able to be as fast or coordinated as a shorter man, and that might be true, but it doesnt contradict the statement that shorter/smaller fighters are considered more skilled.

As for the height/intelligence correlation, the causality might be misleading. maybe the correlation is because taller people might get better nutrition which in turn made them taller and thus their brains more developed? maybe not but since we cannot really define intelligence or truly measure it yet this height/intelligence correlation cannot be considered a fact as of now.

Einstein was a short man and is smarter than majority of people living today many decades later with better environmental standards.

[endomorphisme]

i'm 182 cm and i want to be 187 cm

[Gichelu]

i'm 182 cm and i want to be 187 cm

[IwannaBeTaller]

I'm sorry, you are seriously delusional. You know as well as I do that if you could have chosen your height you would have chosen 6' minimum.

first of all saying small people are "better" at calorie intake is just stupid.. its not a competition.

At this height you feel practically invincible to the average untrained brawler.

As for the matter of athletic ability, this is a mute point:

World's fastest man: usain Bolt 6'5
greatest Boxer of all time: Muhammed Ali 6'3,
greatest quarterback of all time:  Tom Brady: 6'4
greatest tennis player of our time: Roger Federer 6'1
EUFA best soccer player in europe 2014: Cristiano CRonnie7: 6'1
Current UFC heavyweight champion: Cain Velasquez: 6'1

Finally, it has been shown in countless studies that height and intelligence are correlated. I can give you links if you wish.

You need to chill out about these FACTS.

Not all of these are FACTS. Usain Bolt is the fastest man, you're right with that one. Ali as the greatest boxer is disputable, and there are shorter boxers with incredible talent and skills (Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao) who could very well be considered the greatest of all times in some years. Messi is equally if not more talented and gifted at playing football. Height and intelligence may be correlated, but not because taller people are better.

Conclusions is, neither short nor taller people are better than another.

[mrtall]

Pound for pound i dont think taller people are more athletic than shorter ones. With that i mean relative to their size/weight, the abilities of shorter people are more impressive. However when breaking world records and gaining interest from the public masses, then higher numbers and larger people is the answer, thats what people care the most about.

For example in the UFC, its very easy to observe that the smaller weight classes are way more skilled and talented on average, while the bigger fighters are slower, have worse coordination, less stamina etc. You might make the argument that being bigger genetically means you are not physically able to be as fast or coordinated as a shorter man, and that might be true, but it doesnt contradict the statement that shorter/smaller fighters are considered more skilled.

As for the height/intelligence correlation, the causality might be misleading. maybe the correlation is because taller people might get better nutrition which in turn made them taller and thus their brains more developed? maybe not but since we cannot really define intelligence or truly measure it yet this height/intelligence correlation cannot be considered a fact as of now.

Einstein was a short man and is smarter than majority of people living today many decades later with better environmental standards.

No. Einstein was above average height for his era at 5'9.

Who cares who is more skilled at what? What matters is winning medals PERIOD.

Mayweather etc, might be best for their weight class, but they wouldn't even go 2 rounds against beaten up, worn out declining Ali.

infact, I think I could probably beat Mayweather.. is that supposed to impress me?

What matters to most is who is the toughest of all time? who is the fastest of all time? I don't care 2 cents that some 5'2 guy has faster handspeed.. I wanna know who is the baddest mofo on the planet as a total package.. and they, in 90% of cases are above 6'0 in all sports.

[Moubgf]

Pound for pound i dont think taller people are more athletic than shorter ones. With that i mean relative to their size/weight, the abilities of shorter people are more impressive. However when breaking world records and gaining interest from the public masses, then higher numbers and larger people is the answer, thats what people care the most about.

For example in the UFC, its very easy to observe that the smaller weight classes are way more skilled and talented on average, while the bigger fighters are slower, have worse coordination, less stamina etc. You might make the argument that being bigger genetically means you are not physically able to be as fast or coordinated as a shorter man, and that might be true, but it doesnt contradict the statement that shorter/smaller fighters are considered more skilled.

As for the height/intelligence correlation, the causality might be misleading. maybe the correlation is because taller people might get better nutrition which in turn made them taller and thus their brains more developed? maybe not but since we cannot really define intelligence or truly measure it yet this height/intelligence correlation cannot be considered a fact as of now.

Einstein was a short man and is smarter than majority of people living today many decades later with better environmental standards.

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He gets it ^.

mrtall you dont so go back to your way of seeing things kbye,

Little correction there :

Greates boxer of all time : Mike tyson 5'10.

Greatest quarter back of all time: That does not even make sense, He got that position mainly because he looks the part and weighs over 200 pounds. Majority of "fotballers".. gosh that sport is so out of fashion only inbreed americans watch that  .
Majority of fotballers are only tall because that is the way the sport is designed in the real world the 6'4 guy would be out of gas the first 2 minutes. Then the shorter guy would just need to push him over to win.

Worlds fastest man: Usain bolt, only because he got longer strides he is generally on 5th place the first 40 meters then he antilops his way to the finish line. So no, Mr.gay is faster than usain bolt if the rules was not in favour of the tall man.

Also i like how you only picked sports that are designed for tall peope in the first place, you dumb fk xD

The worlds greatest fotballer that has ever lived is 5'6 and his name is lionel messi you ignorant little rat.

There has already been studies to support that short guys are better than tall guys pound for pound.

We are not taking in social aspects and animalistic decodings into the discussion because those are the reason we want to get taller in the first place...duh..

[Moubgf]

doubble post

[mrtall]

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He gets it ^.

He gets it more than you, that's for sure.

Tyson greatest boxer?

1. Tyson is above average height for his generation
2. Tyson got floored by 6'1 Holyfield, 6'3 Buster Douglas during his so called prime.

He was the best in the world for about 1 year, I'll give you that

[endomorphisme]

i agree with @mrtall, tall men are generally more stronger, i think it's because they are heavier.
I play football, they are harder too push when they have the ball, and of course they can push you easier.
It's worse in handball or rugby, i never play rugby though, but it seems obvious.
I don't know wether tall men are faster, but they are stronger and have a better reach, which means they have an advantage in most sport especially the collective ones and martial arts.

[IwannaBeTaller]

No. Einstein was above average height for his era at 5'9.

Who cares who is more skilled at what? What matters is winning medals PERIOD.

Mayweather etc, might be best for their weight class, but they wouldn't even go 2 rounds against beaten up, worn out declining Ali.

infact, I think I could probably beat Mayweather.. is that supposed to impress me?

What matters to most is who is the toughest of all time? who is the fastest of all time? I don't care 2 cents that some 5'2 guy has faster handspeed.. I wanna know who is the baddest mofo on the planet as a total package.. and they, in 90% of cases are above 6'0 in all sports.

No, not to me. What matters to me is who is the most talented, quickest and best fighter against guys his weight class. It's because he makes the most out of what was given to him by nature. I'm not impressed by some 7 feet, untrained giant knocking down everyone, but I'm impressed by a average or short guy who has perfect control over his body and beats up guys much heavier than him (that's what Mayweather does on a regular basis). It means that he has worked hard for his success.

It's not only me as well. Welterweight is the class where the big, multi-million dollar fights happen, while heavyweight is practically dead and no one outside of Germany is interested in the Klitschkos (nothing against them, they are great fighters too).

Yeah, and if it were you against Mayweather, he would probably beat your nose bloody and be gone before you even noticed what happened. 

[mrtall]

i agree with @mrtall, tall men are generally more stronger, i think it's because they are heavier.
I play football, they are harder too push when they have the ball, and of course they can push you easier.
It's worse in handball or rugby, i never play rugby though, but it seems obvious.
I don't know wether tall men are faster, but they are stronger and have a better reach, which means they have an advantage in most sport especially the collective ones and martial arts.

When I've done martial arts or boxing.. or got in fights, its the tall ones not the short ones who intimidate me and I'm 6'7!

[IwannaBeTaller]

He gets it more than you, that's for sure.

Tyson greatest boxer?

1. Tyson is above average height for his generation
2. Tyson got floored by 6'1 Holyfield, 6'3 Buster Douglas during his so called prime.

He was the best in the world for about 1 year, I'll give you that

He was out of his prime against Holyfield, and he didn't even train against Douglas.

[Moubgf]

He gets it more than you, that's for sure.

Tyson greatest boxer?

1. Tyson is above average height for his generation
2. Tyson got floored by 6'1 Holyfield, 6'3 Buster Douglas during his so called prime.

He was the best in the world for about 1 year, I'll give you that

Tyson was the reigning champion at only 19 years old gtfo kid you dont know what you are talking about.
No tyson was right on average height he even pitty himself for being so short but his trainer gus gave him confidence, seriousy dont comment when you dont know what you are talking about its annoying.
He was past his prime in both those fights, see you have not even followed the story about mike tyson nor have you watched all his fights. In his prime the cardio&power also the confidence he would destroy them all by the third round.

[KiloKAHN]

Doesn't seem like much can come out of arguing whether tall or short people are better than the other. I mean on LL Forum we have a bunch of users here considering CLL, most who are shorter than average, and it's not going to do any of them good to read posts about how shorter people are inherently inferior to taller people. At the same time it's not going to do any good trying to put down tall people either.

[mrtall]

Doesn't seem like much can come out of arguing whether tall or short people are better than the other. I mean on LL Forum we have a bunch of users here considering CLL, most who are shorter than average, and it's not going to do any of them good to read posts about how shorter people are inherently inferior to taller people. At the same time it's not going to do any good trying to put down tall people either.

Agreed.

[endomorphisme]

so @mrtall, you're 6'7", i would to know the thoughts from a very tall person about the ideal height.

[123]

Well this 182.5cm and mrtall are either trolls and/or really big losers. I feel kinda sad for you because you will never be happy, doesn't even matter how much you lengthen or shorten your legs. There are as many successful short people (Messi, Carlos Slim (richest person in the world and many more) as they are successful tall people and there are as many unsuccessful short people as there are unsuccessful tall people (182.5cm and mrtall for example).

The only thing that can maybe help you is a psychiatrist but you guys are so full of yourself that I really doubt that anyone can help you. Whatever you do, stop making the insecure short people here feel bad about themselves with your utter bull .