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[5ft5]

25% done with lengthening tonight!  I hit 19mm out of 79mm, reminder that I got 1mm for free from the surgery itself. So I’m officially 177cm at night and over 5’10 in the morning and throughout the day.  I’ll be 5’10 at night in another week.  It’s a big milestone for me.

My bandages from the operation are coming off and my scars are much smaller than I thought they would be.  Even the IT band ones are almost invisible.  I heal from scarring almost famously well, I told my surgeon that but he still warned me that legs don’t heal the same as elsewhere.  Regardless my Wolverine healing factor is clearly in play since the only cuts that are noticeable are the IT band ones.  I showed them to a friend and he said they looked like a minor scrape.  I’m very happy with Dr Debiparshad’s work so far.

I started wearing knee immobilizers at night to keep my legs straight which will help with hamstrings down the line.  It is not super comfortable but it’s manageable.

Congrats on almost 2cm!! This is the first journal I'm keeping track of and I wish you all the best HobbitMan.

[Worzezterlire]

Congrats on almost 2cm!! This is the first journal I'm keeping track of and I wish you all the best HobbitMan.

Thanks!  I’m actually past 2cm this morning.  Really starting to hate night lengthening.  Morning and mid day are totally fine but at night is almost torture.  I might ask my doctor for a brief slowdown to .66mm a day if this doesn’t change.

[Activatedxx]

Thanks!  I’m actually past 2cm this morning.  Really starting to hate night lengthening.  Morning and mid day are totally fine but at night is almost torture.  I might ask my doctor for a brief slowdown to .66mm a day if this doesn’t change.

That’s weird, it shouldn’t be bad at all in the beginning. Are you stretching? I was doing 1.25mm a day mostly until like 2cm and it wasn’t really bad even at night. If you stretch with bands before you turn and after it helps a ton, also using a muscle simulator from Amazon I bought one for 30$, it has pads and sends little shocks it helps with muscle tension

At 4cm-5cm mark it gets bad at night but before then it shouldn’t be,
Try doing .75mm for 1-2 days and then go back to 1mm

[Worzezterlire]

That’s weird, it shouldn’t be bad at all in the beginning. Are you stretching? I was doing 1.25mm a day until 2cm and it wasn’t really bad at all. If you stretch before you turn and after it helps a ton, also using a muscle simulator from Amazon I bought one for 30$, it has pads and sends little shocks it helps with muscle tension

Well it’s only the nighttime one.  Were you doing .25mm intervals?  I never hurt until the ERC starts going above .28mm for the session and then it gets bad.  I do .33 for all sessions except the night one which is .34.  I have a feeling if it were 4 sessions or .25 I wouldn’t hurt at all.  I think that .33/.34 is just too much at once for me.  I know it’s small but it’s almost as soon as the ERC goes past .28 my legs get very weak.

[PerfectBody]

Thanks!  I’m actually past 2cm this morning.  Really starting to hate night lengthening.  Morning and mid day are totally fine but at night is almost torture.  I might ask my doctor for a brief slowdown to .66mm a day if this doesn’t change.

Night lengthening sucks no matter what. For LON users, we become extremely fatigued and our muscles are extremely tight in the morning. If you have the time, I'd definitely recommend slowing down. I lengthened more at noon so I could skip the night-time lengthening.

[Activatedxx]

Well it’s only the nighttime one.  Were you doing .25mm intervals?  I never hurt until the ERC starts going above .28mm for the session and then it gets bad.  I do .33 for all sessions except the night one which is .34.  I have a feeling if it were 4 sessions or .25 I wouldn’t hurt at all.  I think that .33/.34 is just too much at once for me.  I know it’s small but it’s almost as soon as the ERC goes past .28 my legs get very weak.

Yeah all my turns were .25, but I would have two turns at night when I was doing 1.25mm, and it didn’t really feel bad or anything,

Taking a break helps a lot, slow down to .75 or .66 for like 2 days and then go back to 1mm

[Worzezterlire]

Yeah all my turns were .25, but I would have two turns at night when I was doing 1.25mm, and it didn’t really feel bad or anything,

Taking a break helps a lot, slow down to .75 or .66 for like 2 days and then go back to 1mm

I think I’ll wait until my next X Ray to see how my bone is doing before I slow down, just to make sure I’m not healing too fast to take a break.  I think my doctor will be open to the idea of me slowing down if needed though, I know he lets other patients do it as long as there are no bone worries.

Night lengthening sucks no matter what. For LON users, we become extremely fatigued and our muscles are extremely tight in the morning. If you have the time, I'd definitely recommend slowing down. I lengthened more at noon so I could skip the night-time lengthening.

That’s pretty smart, I do my final lengthening around midnight which is a huge mistake.  I will try to do my three lengthenings closer together towards the middle of the day, and my night one no later than 9pm.  Maybe even earlier.

[Worzezterlire]

Interesting update!  Did all three lengthenings today with no pain.  My secret was to put my legs into my knee immobilizers for an hour after each.  When I took them out, my hamstrings must have caught up to everything else, and the pain is nonexistent.  I don’t feel any pain while I’m in the immobilizers either.  Even the night one was painless.  As long as this keeps up I don’t think I’ll have to slow down.  My weaker leg seems to have also gotten better from this method.

I’m glad Dr D told me to get knee immobilizers early.  They’re not fun but they definitely work.  I’d almost recommend them to people regardless if they have tight hamstrings, Dr D usually tells people to get them at the 5-6cm mark but I started wearing them at 2cm.

[L8GrowthSpurt]

Thanks for the update HobbitMan! Very interesting about the knee immobilizer and def something I’m planning on early rather than later. You sound like you’re still doing well - good job. Happy you got over 2 cm so far already; that must feel pretty damn awesome! Stay strong brutha 💪

[5ft5]

Interesting update!  Did all three lengthenings today with no pain.  My secret was to put my legs into my knee immobilizers for an hour after each.  When I took them out, my hamstrings must have caught up to everything else, and the pain is nonexistent.  I don’t feel any pain while I’m in the immobilizers either.  Even the night one was painless.  As long as this keeps up I don’t think I’ll have to slow down.  My weaker leg seems to have also gotten better from this method.

I’m glad Dr D told me to get knee immobilizers early.  They’re not fun but they definitely work.  I’d almost recommend them to people regardless if they have tight hamstrings, Dr D usually tells people to get them at the 5-6cm mark but I started wearing them at 2cm.

Didn't read about knee immobilizers anywhere. I'll put this in the check list.

[Worzezterlire]

Yeah knee immobilizers are really underrated and nobody here talks about them.  I always wear them loose so my knees are not totally straight but they force me to keep them within 160-180 degrees bend for the time I’m wearing them, which stretches the hamstrings.  This is important at night because it’s a free light 8 hour hamstring/quad/glute stretch if you use them.  It’s easy to revert to bending knees because it feels slightly better, but laying flat is really beneficial.

I also am back to a regular 2 hour a day stretching and PT schedule.  It’s really necessary and I feel great coming back from my noon sessions.  I’m driving myself now and it feels really nice to get stretched for an hour.  My range of motion is currently virtually identical to before surgery at this point which bodes really well.  First inch down and no issues at all yet.  The next inch will be fairly easy too.  After 2inches this diary will get a lot more interesting.

[6CMFemurs]

@Hobbitman: I slowed down my lengthening at around 4 CM to 0.75 a day, literally all my lengthening pain (which was present with every night distraction) disappeared.

[Worzezterlire]

@Hobbitman: I slowed down my lengthening at around 4 CM to 0.75 a day, literally all my lengthening pain (which was present with every night distraction) disappeared.

I’ll see if that’s an option once I get further!  Right now the knee immobilizers and the return to physical therapy have fixed the issue and the only time I feel super tight is when I wake up.  When I wake up I quickly cram a morphine, an Oxy, and a Valium and then sit in bed for 30 minutes listening to music to wait for the pain to pass.  Then for the rest of the day I feel great, even after lengthening.  Sometimes in the evening I can get tight if I lay around too much.  But generally the return to PT as well as the knee immoblizers have been a panacea

[ab608]

I’ll see if that’s an option once I get further!  Right now the knee immobilizers and the return to physical therapy have fixed the issue and the only time I feel super tight is when I wake up.  When I wake up I quickly cram a morphine, an Oxy, and a Valium and then sit in bed for 30 minutes listening to music to wait for the pain to pass.  Then for the rest of the day I feel great, even after lengthening.  Sometimes in the evening I can get tight if I lay around too much.  But generally the return to PT as well as the knee immoblizers have been a panacea

Hey HobbitMan - congrats on 2cm+ so far!! I'm also lengthening with Precice and one thing that helped with the tightness when I was doing 1mm everyday was soaking in the tub with really hot water for like an hour every morning. I'd take an Oxy, get in the water, and then sit there, and also do some stretches like bending my knees to get stretch the quads, straightening my legs and pushing them against the tub to stretch hamstrings, etc. I found it really helpful - something else to consider as you push through!

[Worzezterlire]

I might try that!  I’m worried about getting in and out of the tub but maybe I can attempt it verrrry slowly tomorrow.

[Activatedxx]

Hey HobbitMan - congrats on 2cm+ so far!! I'm also lengthening with Precice and one thing that helped with the tightness when I was doing 1mm everyday was soaking in the tub with really hot water for like an hour every morning. I'd take an Oxy, get in the water, and then sit there, and also do some stretches like bending my knees to get stretch the quads, straightening my legs and pushing them against the tub to stretch hamstrings, etc. I found it really helpful - something else to consider as you push through!

Very early on I was using hot water with a handheld sprayer in shower. It is a magic eraser for muscle pain, as long as there is no swelling hot water relieves the pain right away and relieves tightness

[Worzezterlire]

Very early on I was using hot water with a handheld sprayer in shower. It is a magic eraser for muscle pain, as long as there is no swelling hot water relieves the pain right away and relieves tightness

Took your advice, and it works so god damn well!  After 10 minutes of hot water all pain was gone.  It really is magical.  Thanks for sharing this advice man!

[Worzezterlire]

I measured over 5’10” at night on the wall today!  And I measured nearly 179cm when I woke up!  My morning height was always just over 176cm and I’m less than 3cm in so it’s also as though I’m currently gaining more than the ERC says I am.  I wonder if it’s because laying all the time has been better for my spine…

Either way, I’m officially over 5’10 now.  It feels great and contrary to what others have said, 1 inch difference is very visible.  You do feel taller and the people I’m around right now look shorter than before.  I have a feeling that once I reach 8cm my height neurosis will be completely gone.

Im upping my stretching to 2 hours a day to improve my range of motion which is still identical to before surgery.  Im spending 1 hour just on hamstrings.  This doesn’t include my 5 hours a week of physical therapy.  The more I stretch the less I notice any muscle issues.

[Worzezterlire]

Did some follow up X Rays at nearly 30mm.  They’re being sent over to the surgeon as I type but the technician was a real bro and explained to me what he saw from it (he must have seen 1000 intermedullary nails before, never cosmetic though).  Healthy bone bridge that’s faint and even, the rods are completely straight still. Dr Debiparshad was not lying when he said he couldn’t fit the biggest rod in there.  The bottom of the femur is a lot narrower than the top and the 10.7mm rod fits like a glove inside it.

I’m doing well and so far no issues at all.  Still lengthening 1mm a day with less pain than a week or two ago.  Life carries on and I’m slowly chugging towards the finish line.  Will have to fly to see Dr D in a bit fewer than 2 weeks.

[Worzezterlire]

3.4cm and getting taller.  By the middle of next week I’ll be halfway lengthened.  I have to spend 2 hours a day stretching hamstrings at this point to prevent them from going haywire, but it’s working.  Still have same ROM as before surgery.  Been taking hot water baths to relieve pain at night and will start visiting my local pool to do chest-high water walking laps.

[Apollo676]

Awesome man,i was really going to just wait for stryde to come back,but the more i read precise journals the more i'm inclined to just go for it,hopefully it will be available in 6 months in Europe
Could you give me any advice to prepare myself ? I'm trying to drop some weight,to be around 65/68kgs and i stretch daily,all body with focus on thigh muscles,and adapting my diet,with vitamin supplements,calcium and vitamin D,i'm also doing cardio,mostly cycling 3 times a week to not hurt my legs too much instead of running,and i do weight lifting,only upper body 3 times a week,i'm not sure i can do much more,i'm planning to get my surgery done at the end of 2021 hopefully

[Worzezterlire]

In terms of stretching, focus entirely on your quads and hamstrings and secondarily hip area.  Anything else has a lot less relevance for femur lengthening.  Quads and hamstrings are basically the limiters here.  Losing weight is fine but you will lose a lot of weight from the lengthening process. Nearly 10kg by the end.

Beyond that there’s not much to prepare other than making sure you can survive your apartment/house without using stairs and on a combination of a walker and wheelchair.

[JimmyJW]

Thank you for the updates. It's great to read that everything is going well.

What do you think caused your height neurosis? I'm also 5'9
and feel short most of the time. Virtually everyone I grew up with grew past me. A few inches will make the world of difference.

[Worzezterlire]

I think my hamstrings have gotten BETTER in the last few days than they were a week or two ago.  Some people are very light on physical therapy.  IT IS YOUR FRIEND.  Do NOT UNDERESTIMATE IT.  YOU CANNOT DO THIS WITHOUT A MINIMUM 5 hours a week of PT and 5 hours of stretching outside of PT.  And I’m planning to start going to the pool daily to walk for an hour or two as well.

Thank you for the updates. It's great to read that everything is going well.

What do you think caused your height neurosis? I'm also 5'9
and feel short most of the time. Virtually everyone I grew up with grew past me. A few inches will make the world of difference.

5’9” isn’t short but it also isn’t tall.  I started wearing lifts and started receiving better treatment from all people.  People took me more seriously.  That was at 5’11”.  I couldn’t go without my lifts, and so eventually I decided I wanted to actually be 6’.  There’s a chance I will be nearly 6’1” if I can handle my scoliosis better over the next year.  I probably can regain another cm.  Regardless I’ll be between 6’ and 6’1 most of the day.  This is sufficient for me to get the “better treatment” of being tall, to avoid lifts forever, and fit into longer pants.

There’s also endless trauma from abusive girlfriends, friends, family members, which may in each instance have been teasing but combined added up into a lifelong insecurity.  I’m rich enough to fix it and not think about it ever again, so I chose to take that route.

[L8GrowthSpurt]

Congrats, HobbitMan on all the progress; I appreciate all the progress notes and tips in your journal, which has been very helpful. I hope to follow in you’re (taller) footsteps and maybe take the plunge with precice 2.2 in the future since stryde def ain’t gonna be back for awhile. Keep up the good work and stay strong! 💪

[Thorfinnn]

Almost 5’11 nice getting closer to that 6’0 mark congrats.

[JimmyJW]

Thank you for sharing. I too have had a similar experience with lifts. I found myself becoming a prisoner to them. I don't feel comfortable walking bare feet with the exception of a handful of people.

Eventually I cut toxic friends from my life, anyone who excessively mentioned my height was gone.

Best of luck.

[GodsGrace]

Hey Hobbitman,

Hope you are doing well. Congratz on your progress so far. The information you share here is very invaluable. I have also decided to proceed with Precise 2 and my initial consultation is scheduled with Dr.Paley on August 3rd and 4th. I am planning to start my journey by November of this year. I will be following your diary very closely.

I have waited for 7 years to save up the money and it's very unfortunate that the STRYDE is out of the market now so I decided to proceed with Precise 2.

[Worzezterlire]

Almost 5’11 nice getting closer to that 6’0 mark congrats.

Thanks!    I already feel much taller!

Congrats, HobbitMan on all the progress; I appreciate all the progress notes and tips in your journal, which has been very helpful. I hope to follow in you’re (taller) footsteps and maybe take the plunge with precice 2.2 in the future since stryde def ain’t gonna be back for awhile. Keep up the good work and stay strong! 💪

Best of luck and glad this is helping!  I really wouldn’t count on Stryde returning in a reasonable time frame.  Precise 2.2 isn’t fun but it’s not hell on earth like some make it out to be.

Thank you for sharing. I too have had a similar experience with lifts. I found myself becoming a prisoner to them. I don't feel comfortable walking bare feet with the exception of a handful of people.

Eventually I cut toxic friends from my life, anyone who excessively mentioned my height was gone.

Best of luck.

I’m sorry you also suffered this.  Yeah, lifts are addictive and crippling.  I wish I had never used them but they were an invaluable test run for lengthening.

Hey Hobbitman,

Hope you are doing well. Congratz on your progress so far. The information you share here is very invaluable. I have also decided to proceed with Precise 2 and my initial consultation is scheduled with Dr.Paley on August 3rd and 4th. I am planning to start my journey by November of this year. I will be following your diary very closely.

I have waited for 7 years to save up the money and it's very unfortunate that the STRYDE is out of the market now so I decided to proceed with Precise 2.

I also consulted with Paley and the only reasons I didn’t go with him were cost and the fact he requires you to stay in West Palm Beach for entire duration of lengthening.  If those are not an issue he’s extremely good.  You will be very impressed with his facility, he really has wonderful staff too.  I assume you’ve talked to Sylwia?  I believe she is his main concierge for scheduling.  She gave me a tour and she and the other staff members I talked to were fantastic.  Again, down to cost and location.

[Thorfinnn]

Hobbitman, are you going to get a second surgery after your done recovering from your first?

[Worzezterlire]

Hobbitman, are you going to get a second surgery after your done recovering from your first?

This is a great question.  I originally had a goal of 188cm back when I was naive.  I will not ever entertain the idea of another 5cm on my tibias though.

I don’t know, there’s a chance I would consider 3cm tibias in the future if I reach 8cm successfully now and want another boost and to fix biomechanics.  I’m at almost 4cm right now and the journey hasn’t been horrible so far.  3cm tibias would probably be a big waste of money unless I get another promotion and have money to spare.

I’m open to the idea.  But I already feel tallish at +4cm and at +8cm I doubt I will ever want to go under the knife again.  I’ll have a 184ish day height.  That’s above average everywhere except the Netherlands and I don’t think I’ll ever live there anyways.  And if I did I wouldn’t be short there.  Anywhere else I go I’ll be firmly above average to tall.  An extra 3cm would be a waste of a good 80+k USD.

Long answer but there’s no short answer.  If in a year I have the money and the desire I will consider it.  I don’t suspect I will do it though.

Ideally I want to get to 8cm, buy new clothes, and call it a day. 

EDIT: for fun I measured myself out of bed this morning.  I was a few millimeters shy of 5’11”. I was a hair under 180cm. This lines up the fact I’m almost at 4cm now.  My final morning height will probably be a bit over 184, if not 184.5.