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[billsmafia]

My friend who is 6ft and myself who is 5feet7 we both made our opening line on a Bumble dating app  "do you think 6 ft is too tall? do you think 5f7 is too short?"

the result from us both were~

roughly 70 % of women don't care, were fine with either . a couple even said they preferred short

roughly 20% said 5 foot7 is a little short but they are still open to dating at that height

roughly 10% said 5foot7 is too short, would not be interested at all

sample size +plusor-minus 50. Two different big U.s citiy.


Point is i feel the whole women being height sticklers are overplayed and in the reality playing field, only matters to most that you are a few inches taller. Getting this procedure only for dating purpose might be not your worthwile.

[Thorfinnn]

For me I’m getting this surgery for myself and to cure my own height dysphoria. I personally wouldn’t do this surgery just for dating purposes.

[MakeMeTallAF]

I agree. I'm about 5'7.5 rn (I say I'm 5'8 tho especially on apps lol girls can't tell) and I do fine dating. As long as you are taller than the girl by a few inches you're fine. Majority of women in the US are under 5'5 so generally you're fine.

I doubt 2 extra inches is gonna change my dating results much. The reason I wanna get LL to get to 5'9.5 is so I can be actual average height and not feel like people don't take me seriously because of my height (or lack thereof).

It's no secret that taller men command more respect, are seen as more capable by society etc. 60% of CEO's are over 6 ft tall despite 6' tall men being only 15% of the US population.

But mostly its for myself. I just don't wanna be the short guy anymore in any friend group I'm in. I'm fine being average I don't need to be tall. But it sucks being the shortest one or one of the shortest.

[Activatedxx]

My friend who is 6ft and myself who is 5feet7 we both made our opening line on a Bumble dating app  "do you think 6 ft is too tall? do you think 5f7 is too short?"

the result from us both were~

roughly 70 % of women don't care, were fine with either . a couple even said they preferred short

roughly 20% said 5 foot7 is a little short but they are still open to dating at that height

roughly 10% said 5foot7 is too short, would not be interested at all

sample size +plusor-minus 50. Two different big U.s citiy.


Point is i feel the whole women being height sticklers are overplayed and in the reality playing field, only matters to most that you are a few inches taller. Getting this procedure only for dating purpose might be not your worthwile.

All 5’10 and 5’11 guys say they are 6ft on dating apps anyways. At 5’10 with a good pair of shoes you are maybe an inch off and a girl that a lot shorter would not be able to tell. 6ft is an overclaimed number, everyone that is 178-180cm and up says 6ft. Close nuff

[BelowTheMean]

My friend who is 6ft and myself who is 5feet7 we both made our opening line on a Bumble dating app  "do you think 6 ft is too tall? do you think 5f7 is too short?"

the result from us both were~

roughly 70 % of women don't care, were fine with either . a couple even said they preferred short

roughly 20% said 5 foot7 is a little short but they are still open to dating at that height

roughly 10% said 5foot7 is too short, would not be interested at all

sample size +plusor-minus 50. Two different big U.s citiy.


Point is i feel the whole women being height sticklers are overplayed and in the reality playing field, only matters to most that you are a few inches taller. Getting this procedure only for dating purpose might be not your worthwile.

Most women aren't going to explicitly tell a short guy they've never met that they don't like short guys but that doesn't mean they are okay with short guys. It doesn't matter what the average girl thinks because it's not hard to get a gf at any height, especially 5'7". What matters is what the hottest girls think and they obviously like tall guys.

I agree that the impact on dating is not that big though, but there is definitely an impact.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

This is what will happen if you go out with those girls.

[tallmen]

This is what will happen if you go out with those girls.

this is so funny. 

[Worzezterlire]

1. See what women do and not what they say.  Women prefer taller men but many won’t admit it openly.  Same way men may say they’re okay with certain body types but prefer thin pear shaped  or hourglass women.

2. Height isn’t a negative after 5’8” and becomes a positive after 6’0”.

[Thorfinnn]

1. See what women do and not what they say.  Women prefer taller men but many won’t admit it openly.  Same way men may say they’re okay with certain body types but prefer thin pear shaped  or hourglass women.

2. Height isn’t a negative after 5’8” and becomes a positive after 6’0”.

Agreed most women like a taller man and just like most men like a slim women. Getting more attention from women is a plus for this surgery and I would be lying if getting more women wasn’t a reason I wanted this surgery. But its not the main reason the main reason for me was to cure my height dysphoria.

[Activatedxx]

Agreed most women like a taller man and just like most men like a slim women. Getting more attention from women is a plus for this surgery and I would be lying if getting more women wasn’t a reason I wanted this surgery. But its not the main reason the main reason for me was to cure my height dysphoria.

Well put, it should be mainly to cure height dysphoria but nothing wrong with wanting the other perks that come with it like more respect, attractiveness, etc

The thing is with men, what they want and what they will settle with is different, most men want Kim K or Mariah Carey Figures and will settle for a 5/10. On the other hand women want what they want and won’t make exceptions.

Not all women of course, mostly millennials like me, but there are a lot of exceptions too

[Vibes]

If you think your "experiment" is a good indicator of truth, then I am sorry but you are a complete fool.

As other wise posters have mentioned, watch what they do and not what they say. No woman will outright tell you on a dating app that they have clear, demonstrable preferences for sexually-dimorphic men.

But countless studies have been done on this. Look up sexual dimorphism if you want a dose of reality, not some statistically-insignificant flawed study on bumble.

Case in point...have you considered that the only women you surveyed were ones that you matched with? Already your study is flawed.

Reality can be painful, everyone here has had a healthy dose of reality to even consider surgery. I wish you the best towards curing your height dysphoria goals, but you need to get real if you truly think what you said in your OP.

[DonBones]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913000020

"Using a student sample (N = 650), we show that women are not only more selective, but also more consistent, than men, in their partner height preferences. Women prefer, on average, a larger height difference between themselves and their partner (i.e. males being much taller than themselves) than men do. This effect is even more pronounced when examining satisfaction with actual partner height: women are most satisfied when their partner was 21 cm taller [...]."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886907002814

"We examined this proposal using samples of 2000 personal ads and 382 undergraduates. Both sxxes preferred relationships where the woman was shorter when specifying the shortest acceptable, tallest acceptable, and ideal dating partner. In the personal ads sample, this norm was more strongly enforced by women than by men: 23% of men compared to only 4% of women would accept a dating relationship where the woman was taller. Preferences for the male-taller norm were less pronounced in short men and tall women, who shifted towards preferring someone closer to their own height."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/after-service/201909/5-reasons-why-women-and-men-care-about-height

"Relatedly, a study about height and human mate choice found that, on average, the shortest man a woman would date is 5 feet 9 inches tall. Finally, researchers have found that women married to taller men report being in better health, have lower BMIs, more education, and higher incomes compared to women married to shorter men."

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Unfortunately science confirms exactly what all of us knew anyways. This is a brutal world we live in.

[HeightGain]

You should be doing this surgery for yourself, nothing else.

Unless you are shorter than them most women don't care about height. The best ones certainly don't. I think some women who are less attractive and less intelligent seek height as a substitute they can't get the top men in terms of attractiveness, intelligence and wealth so settle.

[Thorfinnn]

You should be doing this surgery for yourself, nothing else.

Unless you are shorter than them most women don't care about height. The best ones certainly don't. I think some women who are less attractive and less intelligent seek height as a substitute they can't get the top men in terms of attractiveness, intelligence and wealth so settle.

Working on our selves should be our number one priority. I think it’s unhealthy to focus on the women who only want the tall men and pleasing them.

[bobbybr21]

if your dont have money, decent job, and cant crate an comfort for woman( rent an apartment, car) - its doesnt matter what height you have. Even if you will be 6,4 and fit as hell,  - yeah, maybe women will stare you, but nothing more, and very quicky they understand who you are in reality.
So, let me quote BB -" height increase just let you reach your top potential"  and nothing more. And its only additional feature, if all others aspect of your life allready settled. If not, it only can cure your height neurosis, and even push you r back due unstable life state in professional field.

[BelowTheMean]

Well LL is expensive, so those who get it are already successful where it counts.

[Sambollio]

Ya unfortunately your sample is incredibly biased. There are tons of studies on this topic with much better data that shows height is massively important. I would argue it’s more important than a women being slim. Of course this is just my personal opinion and it would be impossible to compare exactly what the male to female equivalent for height is. My guess from doing a decent amount of both empirical and anecdotal research is that height is roughly equivalent to Both a healthy BMI in women, in addition to
a feminine figure, (child bearing hips, hourglass figure etc.) I don’t think that is completely accurate but it is the best I can think of. One thing is that many women can actually have a BMI that is “overweight” or possibly “obese” but depending on how they carry it, they can actually look better than if they were “thin”. Height in men does not map on to this at all, taller is almost always better, (some studies show diminishing returns, particularly if you go past 8 inches taller than the woman).

Anyways I dont mean to discourage anyone, but I think it’s important to have accurate info on this.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

I would argue it’s more important than a women being slim.

Definitely.  What man would say Siri is undesirable?

[Activatedxx]

Ya unfortunately your sample is incredibly biased. There are tons of studies on this topic with much better data that shows height is massively important. I would argue it’s more important than a women being slim. Of course this is just my personal opinion and it would be impossible to compare exactly what the male to female equivalent for height is. My guess from doing a decent amount of both empirical and anecdotal research is that height is roughly equivalent to Both a healthy BMI in women, in addition to
a feminine figure, (child bearing hips, hourglass figure etc.) I don’t think that is completely accurate but it is the best I can think of. One thing is that many women can actually have a BMI that is “overweight” or possibly “obese” but depending on how they carry it, they can actually look better than if they were “thin”. Height in men does not map on to this at all, taller is almost always better, (some studies show diminishing returns, particularly if you go past 8 inches taller than the woman).

Anyways I dont mean to discourage anyone, but I think it’s important to have accurate info on this.

Height is definitely a huge factor. But average or even slightly shorter than average guys with for example good jawline, nice hair, high cheekbones, etc (attractive features) are more likely to attract a women than a guy who is tall but average looking. Even a lot of tall guys are unattractive ( overweight, bad features, etc )

Of course at the end of the day, we are in the modern age and even an ugly tall guy can become somewhat attractive through cosmetic surgery and it would cost less than CLL and would be way easier

[Hercules]

Activatedxx,
There may be other ways to improve appearance, but there's just so much data / studies out there validating the importance of height for men in terms of appearance, it's hard to ignore. Also, other methods of improving appearance may not be as feasible or have as much impact on appearance compared to CLL. For example, hitting the gym to build muscle is a common suggestion to improve appearance, but a lot men can only make modest gains that way because of genetics, bone structure and prior injuries.

-Hercules

[esta241]

Studies are conflicting actually: https://www.medicaldaily.com/perfect-man-short-men-likely-be-better-life-partners-more-money-300358

I've read more than once that shorter men who marry have a lower divorce rate. But while studies do a decent job of quantifying whatever they set out to research, they cannot measure the quality of the people in the relationship (i.e. are they "high status" or not).  That said, a woman who dates/marries a shorter man is clearly not concerned with shallow traits or outside pressure to conform to norms vs. those who discriminate against physical traits.  It makes sense that selection based on deeper qualities leads to healthier long term relationships.  I struggle with this because on one hand, LL is interesting for all the reasons in this forum.  But on the other hand, do I really want to date a woman who would not have dated me for who I am because she is shallow? A shallow woman probably doesn't make for the best long term partner. They might get bored and leave anyway at the next shiny object.  Also, the longer the relationship, the less height (or any physical traits) matter.

[MakeMeTallAF]

Studies are conflicting actually: https://www.medicaldaily.com/perfect-man-short-men-likely-be-better-life-partners-more-money-300358

I've read more than once that shorter men who marry have a lower divorce rate.

I mean that may be because short men are less likely to cheat (because it takes 2 to tango), while tall men are more likely to cheat for obvious reasons

That being said, for dating there is a huge difference between below average "short" and actually short.
There was a pretty big study done on this: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1474704915604563

Basically, men 5'7 and over had roughly the same amount of sexual partners (slightly higher mean the taller you were, same median). The only group of men which actually suffered were the very short group which was 5'5 and under I believe.

So yes women do prefer taller men, duh. But unless you're very short, this doesn't mean you will actually have less dating success. Once you meet a certain threshold (generally taller than the woman), height matters less and other things matter more such as looks, money etc.

[Sambollio]

Ya this is a really good point you bring up about cheating. One thing else to consider is that though the difference between amount of secxxual partners between average and tall men is only marginal, the sexcual desirability of the women is most likely substantially higher for the tall men’s pool. There was a study I was looking for about women eventually settling for men under their desired height difference but I got lazy and gave up.

[Fiveandsomething]

1. See what women do and not what they say.  Women prefer taller men but many won’t admit it openly.  Same way men may say they’re okay with certain body types but prefer thin pear shaped  or hourglass women.

2. Height isn’t a negative after 5’8” and becomes a positive after 6’0”.

What a woman says and does are two different things lol. I was just bout to say that. Idk what country you’re in but getting the same results as someone who posted 6ft on Thur bumble at 5’7 is a damn lie. Unless you got some angles where you seem taller but if you put 5’7 on your page..trust me you are definitely been discriminated you just don’t know it