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[Doflamingo]

Dear members

To keep it short:
I am 157cm, Asian male, live in Europe. Yes I am full grown.
I am 18 years old and next year I'll go to university.

Since I am a midget I guess no explanation is needed for my reasons.

How can one do LL and go to school?
I have to tell that each year I get 2-3 months off.

I'd do LL in that 2-3 months but that's too short.

Doing LL after graduate is rather not what I want since I'll be studying medicins (6-12 years).

I want to gain at least 10cm, both femur and tibias.
My budget isn't that good either (30k euro).

[MAN-OF-STEEL]

You basically answered your own question

[Doflamingo]

Please enlight me, I still don't know what to do.
I'm not trying to be rude but, at least show some respect, I am 157cm, if there is anything I should know just say it clearly.

[KiloKAHN]

That's a very narrow time frame you're allowed, and with your budget an internal method for femurs is out of the question. If you're allowed extra time off in certain circumstances, then you may be able to get 4 or 5 with tibial LON during the lengthening phase and can return to school for the consolidation phase, but that's pushing it too.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

Your situation is pretty bad for getting LL.  The biggest problem I see is time.  If I were you I'd take a year off from school and do two surgeries in that timeframe with Dr. Mitkovic, like Jungle did.

Phase 1: external-only tibiae
Phase 2: let the tibiae consolidate while lengthening femurs
Phase 3: remove all the fixators and nail the femurs

[Blackhawk]

Can you do LL in the summer and do some online classes in the fall? 

[OverrideYouGenetics]

btw midgets are per definition below 147cm

[KrP1]

the best option for you is the option that MEDIUM DRINK OF WATER tells you.

[ShortyMcShort]

You basically answered your own question

By far the dumbest post in this thread. If you dont have anything good or informative to say, dont say it. Its just taking up space on these forums
If it sounds like I'm having a go at you, its because I am. Show some respect and you'll get the same back...


I can understand Doflamingo's concern since Im also now in the same boat in terms of time, actually decided to go back to university and pursue a different path while also working part-time. Time is of the essence, in my case I'll be taking a gap year, so a whole year off dedicated to LL and will do femur first and depending on how that goes I may or may not replicate what Jungle did in terms of quad LL, most likely I wont. Money is not an issue for me but it seems like it is for you so I would go with Medium's advice. Only problem I see with that is contacting Dr. Mitkovic seems to be a hit and miss atm. Studying medicine is no walk in the park and adding limb lenghtening on top is well... you get the point.

Or why not save some more for internals, Dr Birkholtz and Dr Jamal seem to be the cheapest going around with the latter having a few diaries on the old forum. You currently have enough for Dr Jamal which is $31,500 EUR but you only need $30,500 to have the surgery and pay the $1000 in 2 years time for removal. But you need some more money for accomodation, food, maid, return plane ticket and etc. Do the minimum 7 cm on femurs with him which is roughly 3months or so, give or take. Go back to school in crutches and consolidate while you study, it wont be easy but with limited time you just got to make do with what you have. And do a second surgery when you have time and money, you dont need to do 2 surgeries at once and 7cm is plenty. Good luck and all the best

[Taller]

With the btetzbone or guichet nail, you are allowed to return home a after one one moth to do your lengthening at home. The doctors prefer you stay in their respective countries, but many patients have successfully lengthened at home with these two. You can do non physically demanding work such as school while lengthening.

[TRS]

We have to be realistic here! Doing LL with any method (external,internal,both) and simultaneously study for your final year doesn't sound like a smart idea to me. You will basically be in pain throughout LL and most of your energy will be spent on physio, stretching, being high on pain killers and sleeping. This is enough to divert your concentration from your studies. Instead, I would first complete final year with the best grades possible because to get into medicine is ****ing competitive! Then once you finish high school, take a break for a year or two for CLL and then study medicine.

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Phase 1: external-only tibiae
Phase 2: let the tibiae consolidate while lengthening femurs
Phase 3: remove all the fixators and nail the femurs

This plan sounds good to me!
     

[Moubgf]

We have to be realistic here! Doing LL with any method (external,internal,both) and simultaneously study for your final year doesn't sound like a smart idea to me. You will basically be in pain throughout LL and most of your energy will be spent on physio, stretching, being high on pain killers and sleeping. This is enough to divert your concentration from your studies. Instead, I would first complete final year with the best grades possible because to get into medicine is ****ing competitive! Then once you finish high school, take a break for a year or two for CLL and then study medicine.

This plan sounds good to me!
   

Phase 1: external-only tibiae
Phase 2: let the tibiae consolidate while lengthening femurs
Phase 3: remove all the fixators and nail the femurs

^^WTF?

Lol

You guys seriously think you will get 2 surgeries done just like that?. I imagine a 2 year between each surgery ATLEAST.

And who is the un informed who think he can lengthen his femur while his tibia is consolidating, Great way to cripple yourself forever.

And no...You will not be able to study nor would you want to. So in total to do 2 surgeries you will have to go on a mission of atleast 6 years of total recovery.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

Slim_tim, that's what Jungle already did successfully, so drop your f***ing attitude already.

[gettingtaller]

Speak to hanna84 she did exactly this BUT she went with betz who offers internals that are way above your budget.  Money aside, I do my last clicks on Saturday when I will reach 9.5 cm. since March I've been working and lengthening at home HOWEVER it depends on the intensity if your job or college course. Just because Hanna and I are doing it doesn't mean it's easy. I can't go to the office everybday because crutches slow you down like hell and right now I can't stand more than 2 minutes without getting really tired. Luckily I've been going to the office just once or twice a month, no idea about Hanna but just becaus betz and guichet let you lengthen at home doesn't mean you can do any job during it. My Ll friend has a much more demanding job and needs to go in every day. Each day he wakes up at 4am, cycles 40mins, has a bit bath, clicks, stretches then goes to work. Finishes work at 630 and goes straight to physio. He's been doing this everyday for 3 months and it's nearly killed him. I could not do that.

[Blackhawk]

Hey gettingtaller,

Do you have any pics posted anywhere?  What was your starting height?

I often wonder how much lengthening I can get away with but it's difficult to tell before you do LL.

[gettingtaller]

No pics unfortunately. I do have the mock ups that betz creates during the consultation to see you might look at various lengths, but i don't want to share them publicly (hope you understand). That said, after 7.5Cm you just need to jeep an eye on how you look. It's easy to overreact to how you look as your legs get really skinny and add to the overall weird look, plus as your femurs get longer they look weird because you only know them as short femurs, so even without being out if proportion, they look weird. In my view, proportions on a man don't matter so much, we don't wear bikinis and as long as you don't have super short tibias then you're generally ok IMO.
My starting height was 162. I'll finish at 171 to 173.

[IamAndrew]

Sorry bro, guess it won't be simple. Maybe possible, tho.

[KiloKAHN]

^LOL

[TRS]

Phase 1: external-only tibiae
Phase 2: let the tibiae consolidate while lengthening femurs
Phase 3: remove all the fixators and nail the femurs

^^WTF?

Lol

You guys seriously think you will get 2 surgeries done just like that?. I imagine a 2 year between each surgery ATLEAST.

Most doctors recommend one year gap between two surgeries but it all depends on the the new bone formation. Some can proceed right after their initial lengthening or 6 months after their initial surgery! Some unfortunate people with delayed bone formation or non union may need to wait more than a year. Some of them may not end up doing second LL surgery because of poor bone formation!

And who is the un informed who think he can lengthen his femur while his tibia is consolidating, Great way to cripple yourself forever.

Any forms of CLL will cripple you to some extent, forever, regardless of what technique used. 

And no...You will not be able to study nor would you want to. So in total to do 2 surgeries you will have to go on a mission of atleast 6 years of total recovery.

If DoFlamingo lengthens within the safe limit and his bone formation is good then he will be able to recover and proceed with his studies a year after his LL surgery. 6 years of total recovery seems to be the time frame for delirious LL'ers like yourself. I presume that you are willing to reach 6ft by lengthening more than 8 inches?

[Doflamingo]

If I would do LL it would be 6cm (max) tibias because the 6cm will eventually out to be 5,5cm due compression and the femurs would be 7cm (I expect 6,5cm after consolidation).
But in overall I'd be happy to gain 10cm in total. I don't think 10cm will make me look out of proportion.
I've read all posts and I appreciate it, thank you for your kindness everyone.

I'm going to follow your advice and wait for a higher budget and eventually take a gap year for LL.
I still have yet to decide when to take a gap year.

I mailed with Guichet before, he promised 5-7cm in 3 months. 60k is a very reasonable price, but it's 10k for removal too, so it's too expensive for me.

My parents are willing to give me 30k, but how will I earn money while going to school?
I was thinking of doing LON but the 3 months isn't enough...

Medium's plan is indeed the best option for me, but the budget will still be an obstacle for me.

[Blackhawk]

You can take out extra student loans and save the money for LL.

These student loans add up fast though and I don't know what the interest rates are now for undergrad but I think it's pretty low.

I don't think it's the best option but it is an option to consider.

[ShortyMcShort]

Guichet will give you 7cm in 2 months, not 3 if my memory serves me right. Feel free to correct me if Im wrong as Im too lazy to check atm lol.
Yes $60,000 is a reasonable price for a well known doctor but you need a lot more money than 60k for accommodation, physio, food and so on. That 60k will turn into 80 or 90k very quickly.
If money is an issue for you then you'd best stay away from Guichet, his surgery prices seems half decent until you start adding up everything like a months of training at the Isokinetic centre which isnt cheap, flights which is usually 4 trips back and forth unless you plan on flying there and staying for the training rather than going home, this is one point about Guichet that I dislike, the fact that he expects  people to fly back and forth, back and forth is ridiculous. Not only is it more money but its also time consuming and not to mention more long flights.

Add to that the $10,000 nail removal and its quite a bit and way out of your current budget. Theres not doubt Guichet is the best in his field and if I had that much money I'd go with him in a heartbeat As to your question regarding how to make money while studying, part time work and if you're American or any other low minimum waged countries its going to take you a REALLY LONG time. I've read some diaries that said they spent 5-6 years and some even more to save the money. If you want it now then go get a loan, but if you dont have a decent, stable job then good luck finding someone to loan you that money. A loan is possible but personally I wouldnt do it, not for LL anyway

[MAN-OF-STEEL]

By far the dumbest post in this thread. If you dont have anything good or informative to say, dont say it. Its just taking up space on these forums
If it sounds like I'm having a go at you, its because I am. Show some respect and you'll get the same back...


I can understand Doflamingo's concern since Im also now in the same boat in terms of time, actually decided to go back to university and pursue a different path while also working part-time. Time is of the essence, in my case I'll be taking a gap year, so a whole year off dedicated to LL and will do femur first and depending on how that goes I may or may not replicate what Jungle did in terms of quad LL, most likely I wont. Money is not an issue for me but it seems like it is for you so I would go with Medium's advice. Only problem I see with that is contacting Dr. Mitkovic seems to be a hit and miss atm. Studying medicine is no walk in the park and adding limb lenghtening on top is well... you get the point.

Or why not save some more for internals, Dr Birkholtz and Dr Jamal seem to be the cheapest going around with the latter having a few diaries on the old forum. You currently have enough for Dr Jamal which is $31,500 EUR but you only need $30,500 to have the surgery and pay the $1000 in 2 years time for removal. But you need some more money for accomodation, food, maid, return plane ticket and etc. Do the minimum 7 cm on femurs with him which is roughly 3months or so, give or take. Go back to school in crutches and consolidate while you study, it wont be easy but with limited time you just got to make do with what you have. And do a second surgery when you have time and money, you dont need to do 2 surgeries at once and 7cm is plenty. Good luck and all the best

Please spare yourself the dreaded Napoleon complex my friend.
My answer to him was on point and wasn't meant to sound sarcastic. Case in point no one was able to find a viable solution to his dilemma, which if you read carefully, is basically answering his own questions within his posted statements.

On the other hand, I understand that typing a brief statement on my end might have been construed as being disrespectful or sarcastic, but it was not my intent. And I apologies to the OP.

As for you Mcshort, you gave the impression you have a short fuse by going on a personal attack out of nowhere, but then again maybe we can attribute this to simply "writing method" and I'll let it pass for he sake of keeping things peaceful.

I sincerely wish you all the best in your future endeavors.

[ShortyMcShort]

Your statement gave the impression of smartass, sarcasm hence my response.
Like what the op said in response to your statement, enlighten us please on how he answered his own question in his very question? He didn't even understand it and neither could I
Your statement wasnt very useful, it reeks of smartass but then again it was probably your "writing method" How does a response "you just answered your own question" supposed to help the op exactly, if he knew then this thread wouldnt be here right now....

Actually op did find a possible solution to his problem in case you missed it, either going to save some more money and eventually take a gap year off or Medium's advice. It may not be THE answer he was after but atleast now he's in the right direction. Now had all the replies to his questions been "you just answered your own question" then I dont think he would have reached that conclusion. We are all here for the same reason and that is to get info and advice, hence being a forum, a place of discussion. Clear informative answers are preferred, no need to go through a maze, left turn, over the rainbow, kill the troll under the bridge, get the key, open the door and voila the answer to our questions(sarcasm)


Your reply is out of place in here, others actually provide suggestions and ideas regardless of their experiences, not blatant unnecessary answers that may or may not have been sarcasm. But I will agree with you on one thing though, lets keep it peaceful. And if there werent any disrespect or sarcasm directed at the op in your short response then I gladly apologize

[Doflamingo]

Your statement gave the impression of smartass, sarcasm hence my response.
Like what the op said in response to your statement, enlighten us please on how he answered his own question in his very question? He didn't even understand it and neither could I
Your statement wasnt very useful, it reeks of smartass but then again it was probably your "writing method" How does a response "you just answered your own question" supposed to help the op exactly, if he knew then this thread wouldnt be here right now....

Actually op did find a possible solution to his problem in case you missed it, either going to save some more money and eventually take a gap year off or Medium's advice. It may not be THE answer he was after but atleast now he's in the right direction. Now had all the replies to his questions been "you just answered your own question" then I dont think he would have reached that conclusion. We are all here for the same reason and that is to get info and advice, hence being a forum, a place of discussion. Clear informative answers are preferred, no need to go through a maze, left turn, over the rainbow, kill the troll under the bridge, get the key, open the door and voila the answer to our questions(sarcasm)


Your reply is out of place in here, others actually provide suggestions and ideas regardless of their experiences, not blatant unnecessary answers that may or may not have been sarcasm. But I will agree with you on one thing though, lets keep it peaceful. And if there werent any disrespect or sarcasm directed at the op in your short response then I gladly apologize

Exactly, you summarized it well.
With the help of the community I can make my decision, wether it's good or bad, I'm grateful.

[cavani]

My suggestion

- External tibia with Dr Bargiov for 6500 euros, stay there for 1 month and then finish at home country.   Aim for 4-5cm and wear frames for 6 to 8 months.

- Internal Femurs with Dr Jamal for 31500 euros, stay for 3 months and return home.  Aim for 6-7cm.  Remove nail after 2 years.

This will overshoot your current budget by 3000 euros and not including other fees for accommodation and travel.   

[Doflamingo]

My suggestion

- External tibia with Dr Bargiov for 6500 euros, stay there for 1 month and then finish at home country.   Aim for 4-5cm and wear frames for 6 to 8 months.

- Internal Femurs with Dr Jamal for 31500 euros, stay for 3 months and return home.  Aim for 6-7cm.  Remove nail after 2 years.

This will overshoot your current budget by 3000 euros and not including other fees for accommodation and travel.

Hi there, great suggestion (similar to Medium's).

I hate the idea of having to wear those frames for 6-8 months, so that's a no :/.

I'm considering Dr Jamal, but I still haven't read good stories about Dr Jamal, so I guess I'll have to wait a bit.
On the other side, Dr Jamal works in EU; Since it's EU he must be a good doctor.
If it's possible in 3 months then I won't be missing school.

[cavani]

I hate the idea of having to wear those frames for 6-8 months, so that's a no :/.
 

For LON/LATN Tibia 3-4 months on a budget,   Dr Parihar & Dr Naveen both under 11000 Euros, keeping in mind their lack of patients feedback.

[Doflamingo]

For LON/LATN Tibia 3-4 months on a budget,   Dr Parihar & Dr Naveen both under 11000 Euros, keeping in mind their lack of patients feedback.

Sorry, no India for me.

If Dr Jamal is as promising as he is, I'll do tibias with him.
Currently I'm thinking of China but they are so overpriced.

[ShortyMcShort]

Im also a potential Dr Jamal patient, currently waiting a little bit longer for the conclusion to some of his patients in Emanuel and Ocean. From their respective diaries these are the problems with Dr Jamal atm
1/ His new Jamal nail seems to be a hit and miss, Ocean had it and clicked for a whole month yet there was no distraction which prompted another extra surgery and he eventually had the older one put in and it was smooth sailing from then, I think
2/ His old nail has a lot of accidental clicks, just read Emanuel's diary on the old forum
3/ After a whole year Emanuel is still not yet fully consolidated which is quite daunting and I feel for him, currently waiting for his new xrays which will happen next month.

Now I know its unfair to give a verdict on a doctor based on one of his patient's I guess you could say mishap, so I am eagerly awaiting Ocean's recovery period and also Emanuel's and see how they go before I bite the bullet. Everything else about Dr Jamal seems good though, I mean he supposedly visits you daily is beyond belief when you compare that with Dr Betz and co. And his price is also affordable

[Keep Growing]

I'm not sure about the price man. If you think about it 31.500 E for a simple mechanism that extends it's pretty expensive. I don't think the nail cost more than 3-4000 E. IAdd to that the fact that the average salary in Ukraine is around 250-300$ so things should be cheap whereas the difference between him and Guichet is around 10.000 E.
I guess that in a lengthening package more then 60% of the money are for the doctor.
Still he is the cheapest for internal lengthening and has the advantage that complication are covered...complications that in some cases may be due to the nail. Ukraine/ Dr Jamal are not based in the EU....but if could afford it I would chose him