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[las vegas baby]

as citizens dont we have a right to know whats going on with a medical product the FDA approved? what is nuvasive doing right now? are there cases of terrible outcomes? is there a lawsuit?

I was thinking of writing to media outlets to track this and show them this forum and how patients are upset and scared. who can we write to?

I urge patients of existing patients to talk to their doctors about this. the nails are in your bodies!

[Medium Drink Of Water]

You could maybe do this yourself.  FOIA, the Freedom Of Information Act.  Any citizen can request whatever the FDA has.

[las vegas baby]

You could maybe do this yourself.  FOIA, the Freedom Of Information Act.  Any citizen can request whatever the FDA has.

Can anyone and everyone see that I have placed this request?

and which media outlet do you think would be interested in my finding?

[BelowTheMean]

Can anyone and everyone see that I have placed this request?

and which media outlet do you think would be interested in my finding?

Whichever one wants a quick laugh at the expense of short people.. so all of them.

[V21]

Sounds like a terrible idea

[V21]

The meeting with the FDA is today, so by tomorrow we should have more news. Making this forum public in the media is fking terrible

[permanentlybanned]

Society is not open minded enough to do anything but ridicule us when we talk about leg lengthening and say "BUT YOU CAN'T WALK" Or "IT HURTS (so therefore it shouldn't be legal)!"

I would highly recommend not telling the media about this small community. We're still at a point in society where people don't even think LL should be allowed despite free will and freedom existing.

[las vegas baby]

I hear ya'll. media sucks. but how on earth do you feel safe to use this nail now? is privacy more important than physical health of your legs and possibility of cancer?

they are a monopoly. THey will announce tomorrow that all is well. WIll you just believe them?

[Body Builder]

I hear ya'll. media sucks. but how on earth do you feel safe to use this nail now? is privacy more important than physical health of your legs and possibility of cancer?

they are a monopoly. THey will announce tomorrow that all is well. WIll you just believe them?

Media won't change anything butbthey will just ridicule LLers.

When money talks media shut up. That will happen even if they search about nuvasive. Company will give money and everyrhing will be ok even if reality it is not.

[Stryde2021]

I hear ya'll. media sucks. but how on earth do you feel safe to use this nail now? is privacy more important than physical health of your legs and possibility of cancer?

they are a monopoly. THey will announce tomorrow that all is well. WIll you just believe them?

where's this "cancer" thing coming from?  The European notice merely says that "biological endpoints" for carcinogenicity "have failed to be considered."  That's a far cry from affirmatively saying they might be cancerous.  For all we know, carcinogenicity endpoints were not assessed  because there has never been any reason to believe cancer is even remotely in the cards. 

[V21]

where's this "cancer" thing coming from?  The European notice merely says that "biological endpoints" for carcinogenicity "have failed to be considered."  That's a far cry from affirmatively saying they might be cancerous.  For all we know, carcinogenicity endpoints were not assessed  because there has never been any reason to believe cancer is even remotely in the cards.

People are blowing this out of proportion lol. Of course, it is concerning that they skipped tests, it's not something to take lightly. But claiming that it causes cancer is just bonkers, as of today

[Medium Drink Of Water]

All Precise devices were recalled, the vast majority used for non-cosmetic purposes.  Publicizing this wouldn't be outing LLers.

[permanentlybanned]

Plus, daddy Debiparshad already put us out there

[las vegas baby]

Ha good points lads. like it or not Dr. Kevin ain't gonna stop reaching out to all media outlets out there. paparazzi outlets to business news, hes got em all covered. lmao sadly the comments on all those websites never improve

And yeah cosmetic leg length is a tiny portion of nuvasive's business (we're the only ones who stake both our legs tho lol). so media will not have a reason to target just us. But there is no forum for single leg cases. if I reach out to media it will have to be with this forum which is all cosmetic.

I know some of you think Im blowing this out of proportion but a billion $ medical company suddenly decides to withdraw nails all over the world? I think thats a pretty major thing. They will do anything to come back to them market asap. $$$$ is what matters to them.

[Body Builder]

Ha good points lads. like it or not Dr. Kevin ain't gonna stop reaching out to all media outlets out there. paparazzi outlets to business news, hes got em all covered. lmao sadly the comments on all those websites never improve

And yeah cosmetic leg length is a tiny portion of nuvasive's business (we're the only ones who stake both our legs tho lol). so media will not have a reason to target just us. But there is no forum for single leg cases. if I reach out to media it will have to be with this forum which is all cosmetic.

I know some of you think Im blowing this out of proportion but a billion $ medical company suddenly decides to withdraw nails all over the world? I think thats a pretty major thing. They will do anything to come back to them market asap. $$$$ is what matters to them.

We know about Derbibashad's practices very well, he is the biggest LL merchant in the world right now.
And you promote a salesman.

Anyway, ask your merchamt doctor about nuvasive nails as you appreciate him that much, you don't need to worry.

[RB]

I would highly recommend not taking this to the media. When the nails are reinstated, the last thing us future patients want is for them to take them off the market again due to negative media attention. The media will not help solve these issues but only contribute further to the mockery of short men.

[las vegas baby]

I would highly recommend not taking this to the media. When the nails are reinstated, the last thing us future patients want is for them to take them off the market again due to negative media attention. The media will not help solve these issues but only contribute further to the mockery of short men.

seriously dude you want the nails released asap no matter what? even without a thorough investigation? I understand privacy even I want it. but to be so desperate that you dont even care about safety? if there is ANY reason for nuvasive to take them off the market again, they should. They are $$$$$ making company. They will always find reasons to not take it off the market.

[las vegas baby]

We know about Derbibashad's practices very well, he is the biggest LL merchant in the world right now.
And you promote a salesman.

Anyway, ask your merchamt doctor about nuvasive nails as you appreciate him that much, you don't need to worry.

you may dislike his marketing but hes a top class doctor. When he does the surgery he does it with concentration. He doesnt take insta selfies. He also does good followups.

if for some reason you cant afford him or dont live near him, Im sorry. But why so much hate? its his profession. If hes proud of it why shouldnt he advertise it? In fact himself being quite short hes putting himself in an awkward position while marketing it. But its his choice.

If you became a software programmer and you werent allowed to advertise your web development skills and make your family proud is it fair?

[RB]

seriously dude you want the nails released asap no matter what? even without a thorough investigation? I understand privacy even I want it. but to be so desperate that you dont even care about safety? if there is ANY reason for nuvasive to take them off the market again, they should. They are $$$$$ making company. They will always find reasons to not take it off the market.

I never said I don't care about safety, but these concerns that have been brought up are just that - concerns due to needing more testing. There is no confirmed evidence that these devices cause cancer or cause any serious long-term issues. Stryde has been used for almost 3 years with mostly terrific results and recovery so if they can confirm that additional testing has been done and there is no evidence of long-term issues then I would 100% undergo the procedure with stryde. I don't think they need to do a full-blown drawn out investigation, they just need to run additional tests that they didn't do before.

The alternatives to stryde are not great - fitbone, Betzbone, externals etc. I would rather take my chances with theoretical danger than use a nail that I know has a high chance of causing complications.

[permanentlybanned]

Even knowing what Stryde can do with the bony leakage additional growth on the sides of the nail, I would still do Stryde in a heartbeat over any  zBone or BuichetNail

[precice strider]

Even knowing what Stryde can do with the bony leakage additional growth on the sides of the nail, I would still do Stryde in a heartbeat over any  zBone or BuichetNail

It's guish*t nail

[RB]

Even knowing what Stryde can do with the bony leakage additional growth on the sides of the nail, I would still do Stryde in a heartbeat over any  zBone or BuichetNail

Out of interest, do you think the betzbone is a better nail than the g nail? I’m aware that they both have major issues but could someone theoretically have a decent lengthening / recovery with the betzbone?

I’m set on waiting for stryde but in the event that stryde / precise ever gets pulled off the market for an extended period of time (more than 6 months), I need to consider all options.

[pownzorgeek]

I never said I don't care about safety, but these concerns that have been brought up are just that - concerns due to needing more testing. There is no confirmed evidence that these devices cause cancer or cause any serious long-term issues. Stryde has been used for almost 3 years with mostly terrific results and recovery so if they can confirm that additional testing has been done and there is no evidence of long-term issues then I would 100% undergo the procedure with stryde. I don't think they need to do a full-blown drawn out investigation, they just need to run additional tests that they didn't do before.

The alternatives to stryde are not great - fitbone, Betzbone, externals etc. I would rather take my chances with theoretical danger than use a nail that I know has a high chance of causing complications.

What concerns me, I'll be more careful. Reasoning: The decision for a company to remove all nails has a huge impact. It is not taken lightly. They would not have come to that decision just because one or 2 guys would have had adverse effects. It is possible there have been many reportings of adverse effects, they piled up and have forced the company to investigate. Let's not forget we (in the forum) are only a small number of the total number of people doing this procedure.

Also a company wouldn't easily put the word carcinogenic in their FSN, because they would know that it can cause many concerns. If it was just that they hadn't done enough testing, they would write in the FSN: "We still need to run a few more tests concerning the biological profile of the nail, according to ISO xxxx" and they would omit that word. Again, it is possible they were forced to write those words in the FSN like this.

Third, cancer can take years to develop, even 8 years or a decade. It surely doesn't happen immediately.

I'm not a doctor, but as far as I have understood cancer is the multiplication of erroneous cells. The leaky bone growth stuff? What is that? I'm not claiming it's a tumour but nonetheless it seems to be some kind of weird cell multiplication that shouldn't happen, or? At least I'm not willing to test this on me without the company having fully clarified what this is.

Don't get me wrong, stryde was also my first option, perhaps might be in the future again, but these things are concerning me a lot.

[Jason2020]

Guichet's prices appear to have skyrocketed as well.

[permanentlybanned]

I am pretty sure the stryde nail somehow misguided the distraction osteogenesis somehow to grow perpendicularly instead of parallel to the bone. Like ping pong bouncing off an angle off target. Maybe the physical/mechanical action of the distraction via magnets pushes some currently formed callus at a slight angle and then rinse and repeat daily 4 times a day and blah blah sideways osteogenesis bone callus along with some normal parallel callus

[smalltaller]

Any news about the meeting?