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[RealLostSoul]

You can do LL for whatever reason you want, even if you are 6'5 or 4'11, mentally unstable or fine. Ignore the noise and do your own thing. Do not bother talking to those that want to argue with you about the validity of your own personal struggle.

My words! Absolutely agree 

i guess its like with transgender. hard to understand unless you experience it urself.

Yea it‘s quite similar in a way and I sometimes use that comparison to explain it to family members.

If you were The only human in The world you wouldn’t do LL. It’s all due to The comparison with others.

If I were the only human existing there wouldn’t be any surgery. If I was the only human I wouldn‘t even know anything. eg to take the transgender comparison into account here, a trans person wouldn‘t even know there was another gender if they would be the only person on Earth. Maybe they’d knew that something is wrong but so would I (besides that you are the only person alive, there literally is a lot wrong psychologically then lol)

[th]

i would say 1% 

[California2]

"Height dysphoria" is a term of art folks use for different purposes.  "Dysphoria" means "unease" or "dissatisfaction" so height dysphoria is nothing more than a term to describe a generalized state of unhappiness about one's height.

The term started appearing in medicine because folks would attempt to justify health care plan coverage for limb lengthening based on a perceived mental health condition they called "height dysphoria".

However, "height dysphoria" in and of itself is NOT a mental health condition.  If a person's unhappiness with his or her height begins to unreasonably impair daily activity; then, a diagnosable mental health condition may exist. 

However again, that condition would likely be anxiety, or depression, or even obsessive-compulsive disorder, etc. depending on presentation of symptoms.  The distinction is that "height unhappiness" is a symptom; not a mental health diagnosis.

When addressing symptoms, it is important to treat the underlying causes that give rise to the symptoms rather than just the symptoms.

Some will say "what underlying cause?  My underlying cause is that I am short."

You may be short; however, it is not your height that is causing your unhappiness.  Instead, it is how you feel about your height--you feel less powerful, less attractive, less worthy, etc. 

Many wrongly conclude that "if only I was 'X' amount taller, then, I would be more powerful, attractive, worthy, etc."

Instead, you should find your power, attractiveness, worth, etc. in the good things that exist about you.  Until you do, your height (or hair color, or weight, or acne) will not matter much.

[10cmOnTibiaOrGTFO]

i like your view. a lot of truth in your statement 

[Tartar]

If I were the only human existing there wouldn’t be any surgery. If I was the only human I wouldn‘t even know anything. eg to take the transgender comparison into account here, a trans person wouldn‘t even know there was another gender if they would be the only person on Earth. Maybe they’d knew that something is wrong but so would I (besides that you are the only person alive, there literally is a lot wrong psychologically then lol)

If The average height was 1,50 you would never consider this surgery. You want to be taller because there are people taller than you.
That’s The only reason why you feel to be not tall enough.

[th]

body dysmorphic disorder - in this case manifested in unhappiness re height - IS a mental health condition, and may be closely related to other mental health conditions

[th]

i never had it at 16 for example - can be brought on by trauma experienced as a young adult...

[Tartar]

body dysmorphic disorder - in this case manifested in unhappiness re height - IS a mental health condition, and may be closely related to other mental health conditions

Yes that’s The point. I was going to clarify The fact there’s a edge where it is a mental disease, nothing that can be solved with surgery. Permanent dissatisfaction.

[th]

yes but u said earlier if people were not taller u would not want this surgery - not correct - it is a mental health condition unrelated to other people etc

[permanentlybanned]

This thread just speaks and speaks and speaks the truth. Love it.

It is very much like transgender. I used to look at trans people in disgust, calling them crazy for wanting a surgery to invert their penis or boob job for men or fake penis. Here I am now, wanting to break my legs for a few inches- I went on Reddit and read one person's testimony about how society was totally against their existence and invalidated their problems of being trans... Effectively dehumanizing them and saying trans wasn't a real thing. Sounded just like heightism in this society, we are called crazy for wanting LL and just get the typical comments "Just be confident!" Etc etc you know the deal. Forever shifted my view on trans folks and plastic surgery in general for ANY reason.

Yeah and it is a mental problem. If I was the last man on Earth, for sure I wouldn't give a hoot about my height. It definitely has alot to do with comparing to other humans, as it is with all body image  disorders. California hit it on the spot, it is how I "feel about my height", and not really the height itself. Now don't misunderstand me, if I got physical height gain, I would change that certain emotions even if a little. It's just more important that if I were to do LL, a proper mindset change would be needed before entering surgery. Cannot go in with expectations, and also cannot go in as a complete mess of a human (no job, anxiety, bitter and mean, don't treat parents good). In the end of the day, the physical height gain has no guarantees for any life improvement- but if you go into it knowing it's simply a body insecurity, you may be rewarded massively in mentality when a surgery.. fixes said body image insecurity.

I personally had height neurosis since a very young age in grade school, where I was aware I was short. However, life was fine in these years. In highschool, I finally became dysphoric about my height. Still fighting the battle today.

I hope this can be a safe space where no matter what term we use height dysphoria height neurosis, it doesn't matter, don't judge others, and we all know what "height neurosis" really feels like regardless of if it's a mental condition or not.

[Tartar]

yes but u said earlier if people were not taller u would not want this surgery - not correct - it is a mental health condition unrelated to other people etc

No it’s correct because the starting point is always the comparison with other people, then the problem in a mental disease can go totally detached by the reality and the society but the beginning is due to the social perception. Most common example is anorexia.

[California2]

body dysmorphic disorder - in this case manifested in unhappiness re height - IS a mental health condition, and may be closely related to other mental health conditions

This is a common problem when lay people discuss medicine and psychology--a misunderstanding of information.

"Body dysmorphic disorder" is now (per DSM V) classified as an obsessive-compulsive disorder.  To be diagnosed, one must present with a preoccupation with one or more nonexistent or slight defects or flaws in their physical appearance.

BDD is NOT dissatisfaction with one's height.  BDD is obsessing about a physical characteristic (like height) when rational folks would not get bent around the axle about the same condition.

[th]

no - the starting point for these conditions is the mirror - and the end point is the mirror

[th]

you now seem to be contradicting yourself ?

[th]

to calf2 was my reply - of course rational folks would not understand - that is the point of mental ill health, peculiar to the individual, outside rationality etc

[th]

when i had the surgery and VOLUNTARILY BROKE MY LEGS most patients felt 'not good enough' etc - that is the crux of it - pure madness...

[th]

just read ghkid - i agree this should be a safe space - u just need to read some of the toxic comments and people goin 11cm on tibs using spanners! to gauge the mental health of many here - i wish to god i didn't have it & i'm not even religious!!

[RealLostSoul]

If The average height was 1,50 you would never consider this surgery. You want to be taller because there are people taller than you.
That’s The only reason why you feel to be not tall enough.

I am unhappy with my physical appearance regardless of what the average height is.
Someone above said it can be classified as OCD or anxiety etc. in terms of official diagnosis. whatever, it doesn't make a difference how you call it. I see it like this, whatever is the symptom and what is the cause, I am determined to live with it for a lifetime. I can either try to make it better via risky surgery or being unable to live a normal life, depressed forever. It's a dilemma? yea but it's just the way it is. creating thought experience about made up worlds doesn't change anything.

Yes that’s The point. I was going to clarify The fact there’s a edge where it is a mental disease, nothing that can be solved with surgery. Permanent dissatisfaction.

This is unhealthily biased. We are individuals and so is the impact of a cosmetic surgery. For some it doesn't do anything for some it does. LL has a big impact according to post-OP evaluations but I am not gonna quote that here now, my point is you are for sure not the person to decide what's right for others.

i never had it at 16 for example - can be brought on by trauma experienced as a young adult...

I had it all my life. even in kindergarden where no one had any clue what height really means. (i can remember the unpleasant feeling of my limbs being "awful"). so i guess there is a genetic component.

just read ghkid - i agree this should be a safe space - u just need to read some of the toxic comments and people goin 11cm on tibs using spanners! to gauge the mental health of many here - i wish to god i didn't have it & i'm not even religious!!

This place really doesn't seem comfortable. ppl pulling each others down, which absolutely sucks. I guess I won't drop any diary here when I do it. (Some of you seem cool though, don't get me wrong on that!)
but pseudo-psychologist  sh*t(people don't know others yet make toxic assumptions) pisses me off a lot, especially because the fact that I have been at many different therapists etc in the last years and talking in this case is absolutely useless.

[RealLostSoul]

difference to trans people is, they usually comfort each other, motivate them, etc. here ;people that want to change their bodies/ leg length hate on each other xD. sucks fr

[th]

i think with all the great advances in the world - the human condition and mental ill health continue to resist and defy!!!

[RealLostSoul]

i think with all the great advances in the world - the human condition and mental ill health continue to resist and defy!!!

mental health is far behind though. its not like we can cure all illnesses (in general) as of 2021 lol. I mean 50 years ago there still was electro shock as a valid therapy option. and nowadays most psychiatrics pump depressed people etc full with toxic waste that turns them derealized and destroys their sexuality. in 300 years we will see how neuroanatomy on a molecular level influences and creates mental illness, my believe.

[permanentlybanned]

Regular therapists are gimmick. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is the real  . Stop seeing random ass therapists

[10cmOnTibiaOrGTFO]

xD the only therapy for most people on here is a bullet to the head xD

[RealLostSoul]

xD the only therapy for most people on here is a bullet to the head xD

true 

Regular therapists are gimmick. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is the real  . Stop seeing random ass therapists

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy lol thats a meme bro

[permanentlybanned]

Whatever makes you happy I guess. Trying to give real, legit, advice, but all I hear is "I wanna suicide, you're a meme, blah blah". Awesome. I'm out

[RealLostSoul]

Whatever makes you happy I guess. Trying to give real, legit, advice, but all I hear is "I wanna suicide, you're a meme, blah blah". Awesome. I'm out

for real thats nice from you but i don't need any advice from people that dont know me, just wanted to add something to the thread initially but some toxic ass comments here are too much for my nerves, thats why i am kinda pissy here. nothing personal. I appreciate it though and dw I ain't gonna suicide lol... I guess I should be out here too.

[Body Builder]

difference to trans people is, they usually comfort each other, motivate them, etc. here ;people that want to change their bodies/ leg length hate on each other xD. sucks fr

Why do you think that people here hate each other?
Except from some 1.85 weirdos who feel bad about their heights or some madmen who want to do 3cm on femurs and 2cm on tibias to not "ruin" their proportions who are just clowms, I don't think that anyone hate someone else here most of the times.
Maybe your way of thinking is a little toxic.

[th]

mental health is far behind though. its not like we can cure all illnesses (in general) as of 2021 lol. I mean 50 years ago there still was electro shock as a valid therapy option. and nowadays most psychiatrics pump depressed people etc full with toxic waste that turns them derealized and destroys their sxxuality. in 300 years we will see how neuroanatomy on a molecular level influences and creates mental illness, my believe.

that was my point - u word it better!!