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[Dirona]

I guess the height dysphoria term was used to include people with severe dissatisfaction with height...Earlier, only people who did this surgery were those who felt their original height was a crippling issue and that is how I guess the term was coined..Now a days, even people who have short height as a mild insecurity are undergoing this surgery..What happens as a result of using height dysphoria over and over again is that it can transform your mild insecurity into a dysphoria..Especially if it comes from a renowned surgeons such as Paley and his psychologist Windisch..Once that happens, you would want to get the surgery no matter what..I guess people should NOT let that happen to them..Any guy who is below 5 foot 7 in the West would have some sort of height insecurity as long as he is not totally delusional..There are people who are OK with that mild insecurity..But once you feed their mind with terms such as dysphoria, media articles like -taller people earn more money, youtube videos like taller people get girls etc, their insecurity gets transformed to dysphoria..It is amazing what factors cause insecurity..I am NOT against the surgery by any means..What I am totally for is that people do a HONEST self-analysis on how short height affects them rather than basing it on anything else..

[BelowTheMean]

It's not just the media though, we see preferential treatment for taller guys all the time in real life too. I do agree that being on this forum makes you more obsessed with height and needing the surgery, but I also think that most who end up getting the surgery fix their height dysphoria as well.

[Dirona]

Yeah..It is multi-factorial

[Polvorón]

When I walk on the street, I see tall people (around 6'1'') and I want to be like them.

It's just a personal preference. I don't want to be short.

[Dirona]

That is obvious...Same when I look at someone with Ferrari etc..The point is LL comes at a price and it is not small..The question is whether it is worth it to pay the price at all..So when you use terms like height dysphoria, your pendulum strongly swings in the direction of getting LL

[Polvorón]

That is obvious...Same when I look at someone with Ferrari etc..The point is LL comes at a price and it is not small..The question is whether it is worth it to pay the price at all..So when you use terms like height dysphoria, your pendulum strongly swings in the direction of getting LL

I am not interested in luxury, I'm interested in being taller because I like it. It's "height dysphoria"? I don't care, I only care that I am not living in a body that I like, while other people are around 6'1'' tall.

If something goes wrong, bad luck, but at least I would have tried to fix my life, but most of CLL complications are solvable. You can have problems doing extreme sports, driving a Ferrari fast, riding a motorbike... If you want to live 100% safe, travel only by train or walking.

CLL is not very dangerous, there are complications, but most of them can be solved:
https://online.boneandjoint.org.uk/doi/full/10.1302/2046-3758.97.BJR-2019-0379.R1

It seems that lengthening a single leg due a discrepancy is 100% OK and lengthening two is "oh, don't do it, hell no, you will cripple yourself for life, your pain will be excruciating your entire life...", sometimes said by > 6' people who don't know anything about CLL.

[10cmOnTibiaOrGTFO]

LL is dangerous and there are multiple complications that often occur after surgery and lenghtening.
Thats why normal doctors dont do these type of surgeries. But when people want to kill themselves over their height then its better to get this surgery. So if u cant cope and want to rope then get LL. After all its just in your head of feeling superior to other men due to height. 

[th]

i do feel it is a dympton of a mental condition - the issue is manifested as being height related

[th]

symptom

[Dirona]

Height dysphoria could be a mental condition..Height insecurity is not..Insecurity can get translated to dysphoria based on your sensitivity and the things you focus on or the content you consume IMO..

[th]

if u proceed to surgery it is more than insecurity - though we don't want to get too semantic over it - if you perceive it affects your life it can be a serious life impacting issue

[Dirona]

It is not just mere perception that it impacts your life though. It does impact. Tall people are usually treated better. The question is whether you would shrug it off or get LL to fix it.

[th]

no - i have already said we don't want to get too semantic over kabels - if u perceive/feel it affects your life then what affects your life is not your height but your mental self image etc - thus possibly a mental condition which would not be solved by breaking your legs

[azaghul]

no - i have already said we don't want to get too semantic over kabels - if u perceive/feel it affects your life then what affects your life is not your height but your mental self image etc - thus possibly a mental condition which would not be solved by breaking your legs

Then why did u break ur legs when u were already 175cm?

[Vibes]

I'm not entirely sure tbh. Most guys who end up being happy with their results long term were already otherwise very successful, fulfilled people. It's just this 1 nagging thing.

From a strictly medical sense, yes it is probably a mental health disorder/some degree of BDD.

But where do you draw the line? If a guy is super successful/attractive/social and has plenty of money to do CLL and he wants to do so, doesn't it almost become the "correct" thing to do? AKA it is clear that being taller is better. It doesn't matter how you cut it.

[th]

re azaghul - i fully acknowledge i have a mental condition, i am, unfortunately, aware of it, it has stopped me living  a full life in many, many ways - the height ie 175 does not matter - i think when u actually do this and come out the other side it is even more apparant - i broke my legs on the 'hope' it would solve issues but it did not really work out like that - your innate character dies not change etc.

being raller is not at all nesessarliy better - if one is happy and healthy within onself etc -

[th]

it is a horrible condition at its worst

[permanentlybanned]

Some people expect the surgery to change their personality

All it does is "possibly" remove the neurosis and thoughts in your head of insecurity.

Nothing else changes. Even baseline happiness is not increased, with the exception of slight gain from not having to think about height (possibly)

Some people think they will be Chad for some reason. Turn from introvert to extrovert. Be more likeable. Just lol.

It is a sad thingy in my opinion if go through all this and come out still as insecure. And that is why it is important to keep expectations in check before hand. Have no expectations but simply the possibility of removing neurosis.

And if it don't remove neurosis, that is the worst outcome ever

[th]

yes indeed - it can only lessen the neurosis - a neurosis by definition needs some form of psycological/psychiatric treatment - one can often turn to substance misuse too in order to self-medicate a condition often brought on by some form of trauma etc leading to other issues too, job losses, thwarted ambition, fear of intimacy - i wore HUGE lifts even at 175 - crazy - yet i was v well liked by others etc - v sad!!

[th]

it is also barely researched in the menral health field

[azaghul]

Some people expect the surgery to change their personality

All it does is "possibly" remove the neurosis and thoughts in your head of insecurity.

Nothing else changes. Even baseline happiness is not increased, with the exception of slight gain from not having to think about height (possibly)

Some people think they will be Chad for some reason. Turn from introvert to extrovert. Be more likeable. Just lol.

It is a sad thingy in my opinion if go through all this and come out still as insecure. And that is why it is important to keep expectations in check before hand. Have no expectations but simply the possibility of removing neurosis.

And if it don't remove neurosis, that is the worst outcome ever

If all this is a possibility why are u even considering ll? Isnt the main point of it to get rid of height neurosis/insecurity? Anyone doing it for aesthetics and sacrificing their athletic ability plus possible complications is stupid.

All u gotta do is wear lifts for 2-3 inches and if u feel better/ur insecurity is gone then it isnt just a possibility but certain that u will not be insecure and will forget the thought about height.

[th]

u can't wear lifts and take a girl home for example - ur reminded every step u take etc

the patient has a genuine belief that the surgery will cure it

u are on this site urself!!

[permanentlybanned]

If all this is a possibility why are u even considering ll? Isnt the main point of it to get rid of height neurosis/insecurity? Anyone doing it for aesthetics and sacrificing their athletic ability plus possible complications is stupid.

All u gotta do is wear lifts for 2-3 inches and if u feel better/ur insecurity is gone then it isnt just a possibility but certain that u will not be insecure and will forget the thought about height.

It's a possibility because while most people do CURE neurosis, some don't. Just an observation.vast majority do significantly reduce their neurosis. I'm just pointint out that while it's likely, it's not a guarantee

Lifts are so toxic to your mental health at the end of the day. Anyone who has obseesively worn lifts to fight height dysphoria knows what this means.

[RealLostSoul]

Idk as a veteran of mental illness one thing that bugs me the most is the assumption that people do this for others. For attractiveness, jobs, relationship issues and yes maybe it‘s true for some (maybe even most?) people but definitely not for me. I just do it for myself bc I am trapped in the wrong body (figure of speech) and suicide is the less preferable option. It‘s that simple. People try to gatekeep all the time and try to find reasons or whatever (play pseudo-psychologist), which I dislike. You have to see through the eyes of someone experiencing this to truly understand them, it‘s okay if you don‘t but talking like you know why they feel this way or what’s going in their head is just terrible. One reason I quit social interaction and counseling in the first place.

[permanentlybanned]

Idk as a veteran of mental illness one thing that bugs me the most is the assumption that people do this for others. For attractiveness, jobs, relationship issues and yes maybe it‘s true for some (maybe even most?) people but definitely not for me. I just do it for myself bc I am trapped in the wrong body (figure of speech) and suicide is the less preferable option. It‘s that simple. People try to gatekeep all the time and try to find reasons or whatever (play pseudo-psychologist), which I dislike. You have to see through the eyes of someone experiencing this to truly understand them, it‘s okay if you don‘t but talking like you know why they feel this way or what’s going in their head is just terrible. One reason I quit social interaction and counseling in the first place.

You can do LL for whatever reason you want, even if you are 6'5 or 4'11, mentally unstable or fine. Ignore the noise and do your own thing. Do not bother talking to those that want to argue with you about the validity of your own personal struggle.

[10cmOnTibiaOrGTFO]

Idk as a veteran of mental illness one thing that bugs me the most is the assumption that people do this for others. For attractiveness, jobs, relationship issues and yes maybe it‘s true for some (maybe even most?) people but definitely not for me. I just do it for myself bc I am trapped in the wrong body (figure of speech) and suicide is the less preferable option. It‘s that simple. People try to gatekeep all the time and try to find reasons or whatever (play pseudo-psychologist), which I dislike. You have to see through the eyes of someone experiencing this to truly understand them, it‘s okay if you don‘t but talking like you know why they feel this way or what’s going in their head is just terrible. One reason I quit social interaction and counseling in the first place.

i guess its like with transgender. hard to understand unless you experience it urself.

[Tartar]

Idk as a veteran of mental illness one thing that bugs me the most is the assumption that people do this for others. For attractiveness, jobs, relationship issues and yes maybe it‘s true for some (maybe even most?) people but definitely not for me. I just do it for myself bc I am trapped in the wrong body (figure of speech) and suicide is the less preferable option. It‘s that simple. People try to gatekeep all the time and try to find reasons or whatever (play pseudo-psychologist), which I dislike. You have to see through the eyes of someone experiencing this to truly understand them, it‘s okay if you don‘t but talking like you know why they feel this way or what’s going in their head is just terrible. One reason I quit social interaction and counseling in the first place.

If you were The only human in The world you wouldn’t do LL. It’s all due to The comparison with others.

[th]

be interesting to find out what  % of postets actually proceed to surgery!!?? - most of the nonsense is spoken by those...

[Jamesy998]

be interesting to find out what  % of postets actually proceed to surgery!!?? - most of the nonsense is spoken by those...

No more than 20% I bet. In regards to the overall numbers I would say upwards of 80 percent of LLers do not know of this forum. This causes many of the users here to disregard outside numbers and stats.

[RealLostSoul]

You can do LL for whatever reason you want, even if you are 6'5 or 4'11, mentally unstable or fine. Ignore the noise and do your own thing. Do not bother talking to those that want to argue with you about the validity of your own personal struggle.

My words! Absolutely agree 

i guess its like with transgender. hard to understand unless you experience it urself.

Yea it‘s quite similar in a way and I sometimes use that comparison to explain it to family members.

If you were The only human in The world you wouldn’t do LL. It’s all due to The comparison with others.

If I were the only human existing there wouldn’t be any surgery. If I was the only human I wouldn‘t even know anything. eg to take the transgender comparison into account here, a trans person wouldn‘t even know there was another gender if they would be the only person on Earth. Maybe they’d knew that something is wrong but so would I (besides that you are the only person alive, there literally is a lot wrong psychologically then lol)

[th]

i would say 1%