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[fivetenneeded2016]

hi fivetenneeded, not related to your next surgery but can you share some pictures of your scars from the first surgery? want to see how unnoticeable they are especially with leg hairs!

the first post on this thread has the conclusions from tibia surgery- photos of scars xrays etc

[kumbaya]

Hey man, wishing the best for you.

Please keep us updated, hope you can post some photos in a near future when you have gained some cms.
Doing 2 cll is for sure a huge gain in height ( I assume you expect to lenghten as well 8 cm this time) so your final height will go from 160 cm  to 175cm - 176cm.

With this huge amount of gains most of us fear to screw our proportions or mobility, although others users such as Myevolution have done similar lenghtenings none have shared photos of their final outcome. Hope you dont mind sharing - I am 5.4 planning to do at least 7.5 cm this year with Buldu as well and maybe another CLL after full recovery.

[fivetenneeded2016]

Hey man, wishing the best for you.

Please keep us updated, hope you can post some photos in a near future when you have gained some cms.
Doing 2 cll is for sure a huge gain in height ( I assume you expect to lenghten as well 8 cm this time) so your final height will go from 160 cm  to 175cm - 176cm.

With this huge amount of gains most of us fear to screw our proportions or mobility, although others users such as Myevolution have done similar lenghtenings none have shared photos of their final outcome. Hope you dont mind sharing - I am 5.4 planning to do at least 7.5 cm this year with Buldu as well and maybe another CLL after full recovery.

Dont worry I'd update every cruical event i have just recently started to lengthen

[RealLostSoul]

Hi fiveten I hope you are fine! I have an important question since I am also planning to go for precise in 3 months. So with your weight are you allowed/planning to use crutches (not walker) anytime soon? or at least once lengthening is over?

ps hold in there you're gonna be Charizard soon

[fivetenneeded2016]

Hi fiveten I hope you are fine! I have an important question since I am also planning to go for precise in 3 months. So with your weight are you allowed/planning to use crutches (not walker) anytime soon? or at least once lengthening is over?

ps hold in there you're gonna be Charizard soon

thanks RDSL, hope to fly soon lol.

Regarding your question, I would say it depends on your weight. I am 59kg. I have 12.5mm precise which can hold 68kg. So I can actually walk on it too, but I still prefer using walker and crutch to be safe.

But my doc and other docs i had previously spoken to and watched on cyborg4life, had confirmed that if I got the smaller 10.7mm nail, which can hold 44kg, i would staill be able to stand on it...but not walk on it, despite being +15 more than its capacity. Also we have for example the user "sunshine"- who uses 44kg capacity(10.7mm) nail and yet stands on it while cooking etc, for atleast 30 mins.

By stand I refer to as being crutchless/full weight bearing.

[dunghuynh2227]

Congrat , but tiba scars seem scary bro. Anyway if u do 8cm on tibia i think 8cm on femur maybe ok

[RealLostSoul]

thanks RDSL, hope to fly soon lol.

Regarding your question, I would say it depends on your weight. I am 59kg. I have 12.5mm precise which can hold 68kg. So I can actually walk on it too, but I still prefer using walker and crutch to be safe.

But my doc and other docs i had previously spoken to and watched on cyborg4life, had confirmed that if I got the smaller 10.7mm nail, which can hold 44kg, i would staill be able to stand on it...but not walk on it, despite being +15 more than its capacity. Also we have for example the user "sunshine"- who uses 44kg capacity(10.7mm) nail and yet stands on it while cooking etc, for atleast 30 mins.

By stand I refer to as being crutchless/full weight bearing.

wow that's good. i understand the concerns though, I wouldn't risk it too but well if I can fit the big precice I am 16 kg lighter than the 68kg. do you think I can send them an x-ray in advance to check if it's possible? how did you check it out?

[fivetenneeded2016]

do you think I can send them an x-ray in advance to check if it's possible? how did you check it out?

yup, thats what i did. we had initally decided on 11.5(this is a custom variation of P2 as well, not talking about the stryde variant), but during surgery I ended up getting 12.5

[fivetenneeded2016]

update:
like my day 10ish for tibiad, where i could walk for so long..i tried something similar this time, as I walked outside to get a takeaway- ended up to be a nightmare with the femur.

Also coupled with hot water packs I have used overnights in the past, my muscle specially the right leg(i used the pack overnight for this leg) becamee very sore/inflammed.

I could feel like I have ACL- my knee would feel so unstable, some steps would lead to a electric pain from knee to mid thigh. I got bedridden from last couple days.

Today, my hips and upper thigh muslces feel so sore(all on right leg)..I have stopped lengthening and am using all the painkillers just to deal with it lol. I cant even focus on work for long lol.

ilizarov was much less painful tbh, atleast the initial days. Maybe its do with the fact that femur is much more complex(nerves/muscles).

I am now adding hempseed oil, icepack, and pain relief cold gel to see how it works for the pain. Although I am not much worried coz the doc and a few veternas have confirmed its normal in the initial days.

My mobility was quite good before this, and knee could easily bend 150°ish too(it still can but i avoid due to pain later)

[2020hope]

Hi 5'10 needed 2016,

Are you staying by yourself or in their "guesthouse"? Do you have a caretaker? Are you immunized with covid-19?

And did you do any research about safety of precice nails?

Best of luck man!

[farfan21]

The scars ate definitely noticeable especially the ones on your glutes

[fivetenneeded2016]

The scars ate definitely noticeable especially the ones on your glutes

i havent posted any femur scars lol. none of my glutes.

[fivetenneeded2016]

Hi 5'10 needed 2016,

Are you staying by yourself or in their "guesthouse"? Do you have a caretaker? Are you immunized with covid-19?

And did you do any research about safety of precice nails?

Best of luck man!

i stayed there fo 3-4 days before coming back home.
I do not have a caretaker as I cannot afford one lol.
Not immunized.

Dint research  about safety..just the weight bearing.

[2020hope]

i stayed there fo 3-4 days before coming back home.
I do not have a caretaker as I cannot afford one lol.
Not immunized.

Dint research  about safety..just the weight bearing.

Did you fly 3-4 days after precice 2 surgery? Must've been hard.

[fivetenneeded2016]

Did you fly 3-4 days after precice 2 surgery? Must've been hard.

I flew back 1 week after my surgery, was nevertheless hard.

Update:
regarding pain- slightly better, better with ROM too(the rotational leg movements).

excercises: the hamstring strerches pain a lot leading to a burning pain close to the groin. rest are easy now.

i have reached 1cm today.

Having done ilizarov tibias, I would say femurs is more painful and restrictive with the movements.
I am still not able to walk 1 mile after almost 2.5 weeks. I could do this on a similar timeline when it was my tibias.

[Jamesy998]

Good luck on the recovery.

[fivetenneeded2016]

Good luck on the recovery.

thanks and you too man and kudos for coping up with the externals

[Jamesy998]

10 more days and they are off, haha

[2020hope]

Which version of ERC do you have? And did they (airlines staff) give you a difficult time taking it with you on the flight?

[fivetenneeded2016]

mine is gen1 erc- the grey one without a magnet detection.

no difficulties with flight. they dint even ask for letter lol.

[fivetenneeded2016]

xrays at 1.7cm
http://imgur.com/a/aL6Cl4V

I am close to preconsolidating, so dr halil and the team arranged a video call to reset my erc. I would lengthen 2mm for the next 7 days and 1.5mm thereafter. I was at 1mm till now.

My knee bending is full and bone growth is decent. Only thing is annoying long lasting pain.

knee bending video.
http://imgur.com/a/5E1E19R


funny thing is i sit the whole day(at work, wfh although) and excercise some days for 5 mins. I would start excercising more religiously now that my speed is going up.

I would definitely say lack of muscles make lengthening easy. obviously you need upper body strength, just no muscles on the thighs.

Also the team livelifetaller is really patient dedicated. I was with pili before and also have had minor operations in india(at the top hospital where the docs share their number too). But the responsiveness by Dr halil and his team is something i havent seen before. They reply even late night, crazy! To those who'd say i am sold, I am..but they are not paying me money, they are giving me amazing service lol.

It was almost midnight at their time, yet they helped me reset the device and we were on video call for the entire .66 mm lengthening which itself was 10 mins..they were on a call with me for that long😭😭

[Ozoz]

Keep us updated my friend

[fivetenneeded2016]

today is the worst of my lengthening pains(not top intense..but just constant stretching pain). specially on the left leg.

have decided i ll give myself a break(listening to my body) atleast on the left leg- since it had no problem with union. would just lengthen the right leg for a while.

also i found out my right leg's magnet mark was a bit off from where the magnet actually is. perhaps the reason why my right was close to union..also it was almost 2mm short relatively.

cant wait for next xrays and finally slow my lengthening speed.

[Jamesy998]

Good decision man, there is never any rush, stretching pains are very annoying and stop from any decent physiotherapy (or at least make it very painful) so the break you are giving yourself is a great start.

[mslunhil]

Hey man, good luck on your journey! You’re doing great, just keep pushing through.
So far do you find walking easier with tibia than femur? I was going to do femur but from what I’ve seen it also effects your hips and can give you flat glutes so tibia might be better for me even though it’s a longer recovery overall

[fivetenneeded2016]

Hey man, good luck on your journey! You’re doing great, just keep pushing through.
So far do you find walking easier with tibia than femur? I was going to do femur but from what I’ve seen it also effects your hips and can give you flat glutes so tibia might be better for me even though it’s a longer recovery overall

I can walk well on both hef and precise 2. I am 58kg, so doesnt really matter.

But yes, if walking long(> 25 mins) is consodered, tibias were much more easier. It hurts the groin, knee oestetomy site, even calves after walking long on femurs.

if you do have patience, go for external with tibias. A lot less painless. The constant pain you'd have is pinsite/superficial unlike here where its almost constant soft tissye pain(atleast at my current speed)

[mslunhil]

Thanks for replying! Did you get any flat glutes or tightness in your hips/butt when you did tibias either?

[fivetenneeded2016]

Thanks for replying! Did you get any flat glutes or tightness in your hips/butt when you did tibias either?

I vaguely remember all the details. But I dont recall pain above the knee when i did my tibias. Perhaps refer my diary too, but mostly any pain was down the knee.

[Blaze237]

How is it going ? how many cms did you already lengthen ? And how is the pain level ! And congrats on the height gain

I am 1m79 and considering to get the ll to reach 1m85 because all of my cousins are 1m90- 2meters
I wanted to do femurs but you said that they hurt alot more than tibias ! But from your first picture the scares looked pretty bad but they were fresh right ? are the scars looking better now ?

[fivetenneeded2016]

How is it going ? how many cms did you already lengthen ? And how is the pain level ! And congrats on the height gain

I am 1m79 and considering to get the ll to reach 1m85 because all of my cousins are 1m90- 2meters
I wanted to do femurs but you said that they hurt alot more than tibias ! But from your first picture the scares looked pretty bad but they were fresh right ? are the scars looking better now ?

Hi Blaze, I am doing okay but still in pain almost everyday. I would say the pain is only bad at night while sleeping when you retain a position for long. I am 4cm as of now. but this pain could be due to the fact that i am slacking on my excercises as i work full time and also i am lengthening 1.33mm/day- as i had too fast bone growth from my last xray.

Goodluck on your journey. If its 6cm, i would strongly suggest going with Pili/catagni if you dont mind being on fixators for 9-10 momths. externals are a lot less painful indeed and for 6cm i dont think you'd need atl as well.
Dont worry 6cm wouldnt ruin you, dont listen to the folks on the forum who havent done even a consultation for the surgery.
scars is something you'd have to deal with though. the pictures i had posted was 1.5+ years post frame removal. its still the same now but the scars have levelled up quite a lot. its mostly the discoloration left now.


But again, if you are against wearing the frame for that long and are too bothered with scars, you might as well do femurs bearing the pain for 2 months(lengthening period). its not unbearable but its annoying enough to keep you from sleeping. it'd be 4/10 but constant almost.

[redwedding]

dear fivetenneeded2016

Your journey is inspiring to me. I think you have set the goal of 5'10 in 2016 and are fighting for it. I am inspired by your bravery.

Yours is a drastic change in the stature and your friends and the family will notice. are you open about it?

with your precice journey do you think it would be easier if you had did the one leg at a time in terms of the pain and sleep? how is your job duties going with lack of the sleep at night everyday?

and last question friend, did your Dr Halil give to you medications for preventing the dvt?

regards,
sergio