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[Want-3-inches]

crazy dude, 3 months.

[LL2022]

Did you meet any of Buldu's other patients?did you see if LON tibias were common? It feels like most of his patients opt for LON femurs which seem like even more hellish xD

[Bob]

guys, i am all good..been quite busy with my life. yes, fully consolidated..i started walking normally(no limp) from around may 3rd week. would do a video sometime when free(jogging etc).

all in all 3 months from surgery to be back to normal. ofcourse my athletic abilities would be hampered, but its a trade off i took but can still get close to 85-90% if i worked a few muscle groups in the legs. even if not, I can still lead quite a normal life, working out etc.

my proportions are good too- nothing out of normal. i ll create a new account sometime to post my proportion to ask you guys sometime, so there is no bias

What is the cost for precise with Dr Halil?

[Growing]

Hey, any update?

[fivetenneeded2016]

Last update:
I rebroke my femurs late september and did another 6cm.(6.2 to be accurate). This is ofcourse 6 months after last 6cm. I had full bone healing and gained back my flexion/extension/mobility fully prior. Yet I had a bit of tightness coz I wanted to finish fast, for time(I have been here far too long now and I want to move on) and to avoid preconsolidation(if you check my diaries rpevious xrays). So I did 1.33 alternative with 1.66 and 2mm once a while.

I have finished lengthenig and and would be posting my xrays before my third operation(second femurs) and now a few days/week ago. I am almost there with the flexion but i believe it would get better with time and would post videos of my progress whenever i feel free or any significant improvement.

I dont frequent the forum much these days unless I find something really acraponishing. I have seen and done it all. I bid my farewell with my xrays.

I am a bit more than 5'11- 9.5 tibias and 6,6.2 in femurs. would post my proportions too- till date no person said its weird- perhaps i did have huge arms and upper body to begin with- check my post with parihar consulation.

I feel avg in europe in a mixed crowd, but not tall. But its the max i could, and I am happy now.

Goodluck to fellow lengtheners/aspirant lengtheners. I never intend to set a bad example so you make this a trend. Always listen to your body, your doctor and your proportions.

pre-op(original proportions and xrays before and after my second femur or third surgery).
http://imgur.com/a/obqlyBd

https://instagram.com/stories/livelifetaller/2708977390473134210?utm_medium=share_sheet

I would post my current proportions too in a while froma other account to prevent any bias.

Ciao.

[Thehighest]

Last update:
I rebroke my femurs late september and did another 6cm.(6.2 to be accurate). This is ofcourse 6 months after last 6cm. I had full bone healing and gained back my flexion/extension/mobility fully prior. Yet I had a bit of tightness coz I wanted to finish fast, for time(I have been here far too long now and I want to move on) and to avoid preconsolidation(if you check my diaries rpevious xrays). So I did 1.33 alternative with 1.66 and 2mm once a while.

I have finished lengthenig and and would be posting my xrays before my third operation(second femurs) and now a few days/week ago. I am almost there with the flexion but i believe it would get better with time and would post videos of my progress whenever i feel free or any significant improvement.

I dont frequent the forum much these days unless I find something really acraponishing. I have seen and done it all. I bid my farewell with my xrays.

I am a bit more than 5'11- 9.5 tibias and 6,6.2 in femurs. would post my proportions too- till date no person said its weird- perhaps i did have huge arms and upper body to begin with- check my post with parihar consulation.

I feel avg in europe in a mixed crowd, but not tall. But its the max i could, and I am happy now.

Goodluck to fellow lengtheners/aspirant lengtheners. I never intend to set a bad example so you make this a trend. Always listen to your body, your doctor and your proportions.

pre-op(original proportions and xrays before and after my second femur or third surgery).
http://imgur.com/a/obqlyBd

https://instagram.com/stories/livelifetaller/2708977390473134210?utm_medium=share_sheet

I would post my current proportions too in a while froma other account to prevent any bias.

Ciao.

Where is your post from Parihar?

[fivetenneeded2016]

hi fivetenneeded, not related to your next surgery but can you share some pictures of your scars from the first surgery? want to see how unnoticeable they are especially with leg hairs!

i am a bad example for scars. taken today- http://imgur.com/a/5DPQgmD

my posts from parihar is around feb/march 2017,


lengthening in stages is way safer(i did 12 in 2 stages). there was a doctor patient with guichet who did 3 and broke again later..this same procedure is used for dwarfs..this is how they get away with so much lengthening. if you lengthen less and recover, i feel you are only limited by proportions. pili(my tibia surgeon catagni's assistant, who talks with paley in many orthocons) too recommended this staged lengthening to do it safely instead of 10+ in single go..its safe and he has used it with people with deformities.

if sedat posts my video before the third surgery- you'd agree with my mobility too..else i can post it in 4 months-ish after i recover enough to job/jump/lift.

[Highest]

Hi fiveten

What is your wingspan and sitting height?

[fivetenneeded2016]

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg66494#msg66494
i think i dint mention it on the post..but i had it on my profile stats/bio long back.

its 170cm winspan, and 90/91cm sitting height.

i recalled this number as i had then used these stats for emails with other doctors i was then seaeching. i basically had a large upepr body and small legs to begin with lol, you could check my original proportions in the photo attached a few posts above

http://imgur.com/a/Vbcpv6c

[Highest]

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg66494#msg66494
i think i dint mention it on the post..but i had it on my profile stats/bio long back.

its 170cm winspan, and 90/91cm sitting height.

i recalled this number as i had then used these stats for emails with other doctors i was then seaeching. i basically had a large upepr body and small legs to begin with lol, you could check my original proportions in the photo attached a few posts above

http://imgur.com/a/Vbcpv6c

That is an insane sitting height for starting height of 159cm most guys starting at that short have way less sitting height. How does your torso look in relation to your legs now?

Armspan sound like it could be an issue as average man has wingspan 2 inches over their height so at current stats your around 16cm away from average. Are you planning to do arm lengthening?

[fivetenneeded2016]

That is an insane sitting height for starting height of 159cm most guys starting at that short have way less sitting height. How does your torso look in relation to your legs now?

Armspan sound like it could be an issue as average man has wingspan 2 inches over their height so at current stats your around 16cm away from average. Are you planning to do arm lengthening?

i would post my proportions in a month or two's time so my legs look more natural..they are atrophied at the moment. it would still look good, as i said i had huge upper body for my height then.. if you saw my pic i mentioned, you'd agree too. i would not do arm lengthening lol. i dont need lol.

besides there was also another guy on the old forum t.dot/6sixside whose proportions, old height and lengthening amount was like mine..he did it with betz though

[Highest]

i would post my proportions in a month or two's time so my legs look more natural..they are atrophied at the moment. it would still look good, as i said i had huge upper body for my height then.. if you saw my pic i mentioned, you'd agree too. i would not do arm lengthening lol. i dont need lol.

Glad your feeling good. I think 22cm has to be one of the highest amounts recorded. I'm sure your aware most docs recommend max 5cm tibia and 8cm femur. It would be great health wise if you could check back in a year or so to say how your going. It must have been incredibly mentally exhausting.

[fivetenneeded2016]

Glad your feeling good. I think 22cm has to be one of the highest amounts recorded. I'm sure your aware most docs recommend max 5cm tibia and 8cm femur. It would be great health wise if you could check back in a year or so to say how your going. It must have been incredibly mentally exhausting.

catagni is worlds best(he trained paley)..most of his patients do atl..therefore they reach 9/10cm without much difficulty..i would trust catagni over any other doc for tibias..he is perhaps worlds best for pure ilizarov..even paley commends him..

for femurs, if you use repeated small/avg lengthening with rest, there is no reason why you would limit. your soft tissues would recover with time too..pili suggested me this idea..i would habe gone to him if he had precise in feb 2021. he even said i could have done 14cm(i have the call recording too lol) if i did it in the staged way.

i trust pili and ctagani more than anyone..i did well after second surgery, and i cant wait for 3-4 months to gain my results back

if you were on the old forum...the dual lengtheners often did 18-20cm with betz .. doing less is no doubt safe, but doing more is also safe if you do it right dont be scared or put down by people who dictate limits- it depends a lot on how you lengthen, how fast you lengthen, body type a lot of factors which people dont talk about ..they only say the numbers..just 3 years back on this forum..6cm was max limit or may be 7..now you see its 8 on femurs always lol.

again, by no means i suggest people to do maxmimum..its only for those who still have a hard time to get it off their head to reach a goal(isnt that exactly whats BDD?) Majority of people wouldnt want this limit..they dont have BDD..they say they want to get tall, but just for a better dating life..BDD IS WHEN YOU WANT TO REACH THAT NUMBER coz you percieve yourself that way

[Highest]

catagni is worlds best(he trained paley)..most of his patients do atl..therefore they reach 9/10cm without much difficulty..i would trust catagni over any other doc for tibias..he is perhaps worlds best for pure ilizarov..even paley commends him..

for femurs, if you use repeated small/avg lengthening with rest, there is no reason why you would limit. your soft tissues would recover with time too..pili suggested me this idea..i would habe gone to him if he had precise in feb 2021. he even said i could have done 14cm(i have the call recording too lol) if i did it in the staged way.

i trust pili and ctagani more than anyone..i did well after second surgery, and i cant wait for 3-4 months to gain my results back

if you were on the old forum...the dual lengtheners often did 18-20cm with betz .. doing less is no doubt safe, but doing more is also safe if you do it right dont be scared or put down by people who dictate limits- it depends a lot on how you lengthen, how fast you lengthen, body type a lot of factors which people dont talk about ..they only say the numbers..just 3 years back on this forum..6cm was max limit or may be 7..now you see its 8 on femurs always lol.

again, by no means i suggest people to do maxmimum..its only for those who still have a hard time to get it off their head to reach a goal(isnt that exactly whats BDD?) Majority of people wouldnt want this limit..they dont have BDD..they say they want to get tall, but just for a better dating life..BDD IS WHEN YOU WANT TO REACH THAT NUMBER coz you percieve yourself that way

This is a very interesting conversation. IIRC Paley set the limit of the precise family of nails at 8cm due to problems increasing dramatically over that amount on femurs according to a presentation he did. The 5cm tibia limit seemed to come about again due to Paley not allowing patients over that amount. So it does appear very Paley dominated.

I assume you did ATL with Catagni which is another highly polarising procedure with most doctors swearing against it and wanting to do the strayer procedure instead while Catagni and I believe Pili also recommending ATL over 4-5cm tibia lengthenings.

Would you be able to discuss the various release and soft tissue procedures you've had and the doctors opinions on them?

[fivetenneeded2016]

This is a very interesting conversation. IIRC Paley set the limit of the precise family of nails at 8cm due to problems increasing dramatically over that amount on femurs according to a presentation he did. The 5cm tibia limit seemed to come about again due to Paley not allowing patients over that amount. So it does appear very Paley dominated.

I assume you did ATL with Catagni which is another highly polarising procedure with most doctors swearing against it and wanting to do the strayer procedure instead while Catagni and I believe Pili also recommending ATL over 4-5cm tibia lengthenings.

Would you be able to discuss the various release and soft tissue procedures you've had and the doctors opinions on them?

paley made the limit as 8 coz more than 8 is difficult as you mentioend..BUT ITS FOR ONE LENGTHENING- IN ONE GO. if you do it after you recover, you still can do it again

about ATL..there is a user who voices out his opinions a lot and calls everything a "joke". He did his release after he lengthened..so his achilles is quite weak..may be the release wasnt good..that guy dint even reveal his doc name yet. i wouldnt say he was wrong about going against atl, but he has created the hype that atl would ruin you..do it right with the right doc, and DURING LENGTHENING, the chances are you should be fine.


As an experiement(for those who blindly trust paley)- please someone mail paley that they are doing the surgery under catagni and he recommends ATL halfway in the procedure.. Paley always replies to most emails i have heard..so Get his thoughts and post it here with the screenshot

I did my ATL at 50% of my lengthening. My achilles did get tight again to create the tension after i reached my goal on tibias. I still can jump high enough, but honestly i never measured my vertical jump elevation prior or even now, but i am good enough to carry on my daily routines. I wasnt a pro-sportsman.

Catagni does a lot of corrective procedures..mainly corrective infact..so i am sure he prioritizes safety first too..if you trust these users over catagni, i would judge your judgement lol.

your point about other doctors not using atl. see my posts, and check my frame..the frame was custom to hold thr ATL device. Most docs dont do ilizarov coz its brutal and inconvinient for the 21st centuary..safe but brutal. Definitely no one used HEF, may be hexapod, not no one uses HEF..HEF frame was perhaps designed to accomodate the ATL device.

my pain with atl for that 40 days was crazy though. the most painful thing i have done..i have a good pain tolerancr and patience too.

I was 16 months on it lol..if i did my next surgery, i would redo my femurs, no way tibias. I wouldnt want an im nail through my knee(thats more dangerous than the atl i had with my doc lol)

about the other soft tissue- IT band is routine for any doc who does femurs. atleast it should be

[Highest]

paley made the limit as 8 coz more than 8 is difficult as you mentioend..BUT ITS FOR ONE LENGTHENING- IN ONE GO. if you do it after you recover, you still can do it again

about ATL..there is a user who voices out his opinions a lot and calls everything a "joke". He did his release after he lengthened..so his achilles is quite weak..may be the release wasnt good..that guy dint even reveal his doc name yet. i wouldnt say he was wrong about going against atl, but he has created the hype that atl would ruin you..do it right with the right doc, and DURING LENGTHENING, the chances are you should be fine.


As an experiement(for those who blindly trust paley)- please someone mail paley that they are doing the surgery under catagni and he recommends ATL halfway in the procedure.. Paley always replies to most emails i have heard..so Get his thoughts and post it here with the screenshot

I did my ATL at 50% of my lengthening. My achilles did get tight again to create the tension after i reached my goal on tibias. I still can jump high enough, but honestly i never measured my vertical jump elevation prior or even now, but i am good enough to carry on my daily routines. I wasnt a pro-sportsman.

Catagni does a lot of corrective procedures..mainly corrective infact..so i am sure he prioritizes safety first too..if you trust these users over catagni, i would judge your judgement lol.

your point about other doctors not using atl. see my posts, and check my frame..the frame was custom to hold thr ATL device. Most docs dont do ilizarov coz its brutal and inconvinient for the 21st centuary..safe but brutal. Definitely no one used HEF, may be hexapod, not no one uses HEF..HEF frame was perhaps designed to accomodate the ATL device.

my pain with atl for that 40 days was crazy though. the most painful thing i have done..i have a good pain tolerancr and patience too.

I was 16 months on it lol..if i did my next surgery, i would redo my femurs, no way tibias. I wouldnt want an im nail through my knee(thats more dangerous than the atl i had with my doc lol)

about the other soft tissue- IT band is routine for any doc who does femurs. atleast it should be

I think your referring to the user bodybuilder. There are alot of variables between you and him to make any fair comparison on if ATL has negative long term implications. Knowing the difference between doing ATL during or after is the first I've ever seen on the forum and why your case is so helpful. Can you expand on the pain of ATL are you saying it is the most painful part of LL and what makes it so painful?

This is next level LL topic as most people don't even do 2 LL let alone on same segment! Sort of OT but where did you get so much time to spend on LL!?

Agree on IT band release. Did you have and faciotomy on your Tibias yet? This appears to be another common release for those going over 5cm.

[fivetenneeded2016]

I think your referring to the user bodybuilder. There are alot of variables between you and him to make any fair comparison on if ATL has negative long term implications. Knowing the difference between doing ATL during or after is the first I've ever seen on the forum and why your case is so helpful. Can you expand on the pain of ATL are you saying it is the most painful part of LL and what makes it so painful?

This is next level LL topic as most people don't even do 2 LL let alone on same segment! Sort of OT but where did you get so much time to spend on LL!?

Agree on IT band release. Did you have and faciotomy on your Tibias yet? This appears to be another common release for those going over 5cm.

if you really think about how people with dwarfism get over with 30+cm. two things:
1. flexible soft tissues: but come on, given their original length, i think they would still max out at 10cm- which is am equivalent of 15cm for a non dwarf person.
2. repeated lengthening- same segments again- in case of IM nail, its like you were about to remove, but instead you get a new nail in and rebreak..its lesser trauma too.

the second reason caught my eye. Like i had told you about the guichet patient who did 3cm(the guy was a doctor) and he recovered in 1.5 months and planned to rebreak. there are also more guichet paitents- simons(i mentioend him in my tibias journey, i saw him in person in milan) and christall.

How much time i took to recover from femur part 1(first 6cm) - feb 27 to may 31.. say 3 months..3 months is not a big deal to gain a quick 6cm. its going to be the same this time too- so i recoken by the new years 2022, I should be walking well enough.

Specially to those who have seen the benefits of getting closer to their goal and who have recovered well and fast and who know what they are doing.. it would be a routine jump out of the tunnel- the only reason i did it thrice at all.

precice made it easier for me

note: 3 months is just for walking normally- i waited till end of september only to get the hamstring flexion(my cruical bottle neck) back. My bone heals quite quick(you could see my previous surgery xrays too).

so total i would have spend 3months each time if i did hypothetically again too..which isnt so bad- its the rehab for a bigger fracture too. not very suspicious either. thats how i get the time.

also come on, I was 16 months on ilizarov. i do have patience grounded down to my balls lol.

i dont have any other release/tightness. just the it band/achilles. perhaps i was skinny to begin with(the more suited body type for lengthening).


Lengthening a lot is by no means bad..its only lengthening fast and giving less gaps between surgeries that kills your soft tissues..Thats why people have the most to lose who do quadrilateral..I bet they cannot reach 16cm(maxing out both nails) like myevolution

its a trade off time vs the length you give..i gave in just too much time from my first surgery to attain my goal. most people i have met just want to finish it up soon and move on with life- which is the right approach mentally, but you can only do so much so quick!

[fivetenneeded2016]

for those wondering my proportions after 20+cm.

http://imgur.com/a/87vdvOB

[senk]

how is it posible to look like that after 20 cm lengthening wtf

[fivetenneeded2016]

how is it posible to look like that after 20 cm lengthening wtf

long face, long torso, and long arms..my legs were short..originally.
http://imgur.com/a/obqlyBd
scroll to the last photo.

it would be counter intuitve to go against looking good..i wouldnt have done so much if porportionally i couldnt make it..

[senk]

something is stange, do you have a pre op photo that we can aprecciate proportions better?

[fivetenneeded2016]

something is stange, do you have a pre op photo that we can aprecciate proportions better?

just after tibia surgery

http://imgur.com/a/NUYxTNb

[thankscience]

for those wondering my proportions after 20+cm.

http://imgur.com/a/87vdvOB

Looks pretty good! But also a bit difficult to tell as the shorts you wear can be a bit misleading.

What's your diet like?

[two]

Good proportions. Your hair looks great and voluminous and it makes it your face look in proportion.

If you recover mobility then this would be the most adventurous and successful journey.

[Highest]

for those wondering my proportions after 20+cm.

http://imgur.com/a/87vdvOB

Any chance of a tucked in shirt picture? I have similar sitting height to you but 11cm longer wingspan so am very interested to see your torso to leg ratio since mine will end up similar.

[fivetenneeded2016]

Any chance of a tucked in shirt picture? I have similar sitting height to you but 11cm longer wingspan so am very interested to see your torso to leg ratio since mine will end up similar.

will post one soon.

[Thehighest]

How do You feel your achilles tendon?can You jump?

[Moremore]

if you really think about how people with dwarfism get over with 30+cm. two things:
1. flexible soft tissues: but come on, given their original length, i think they would still max out at 10cm- which is am equivalent of 15cm for a non dwarf person.
2. repeated lengthening- same segments again- in case of IM nail, its like you were about to remove, but instead you get a new nail in and rebreak..its lesser trauma too.

the second reason caught my eye. Like i had told you about the guichet patient who did 3cm(the guy was a doctor) and he recovered in 1.5 months and planned to rebreak. there are also more guichet paitents- simons(i mentioend him in my tibias journey, i saw him in person in milan) and christall.

How much time i took to recover from femur part 1(first 6cm) - feb 27 to may 31.. say 3 months..3 months is not a big deal to gain a quick 6cm. its going to be the same this time too- so i recoken by the new years 2022, I should be walking well enough.

Specially to those who have seen the benefits of getting closer to their goal and who have recovered well and fast and who know what they are doing.. it would be a routine jump out of the tunnel- the only reason i did it thrice at all.

precice made it easier for me

note: 3 months is just for walking normally- i waited till end of september only to get the hamstring flexion(my cruical bottle neck) back. My bone heals quite quick(you could see my previous surgery xrays too).

so total i would have spend 3months each time if i did hypothetically again too..which isnt so bad- its the rehab for a bigger fracture too. not very suspicious either. thats how i get the time.

also come on, I was 16 months on ilizarov. i do have patience grounded down to my balls lol.

i dont have any other release/tightness. just the it band/achilles. perhaps i was skinny to begin with(the more suited body type for lengthening).


Lengthening a lot is by no means bad..its only lengthening fast and giving less gaps between surgeries that kills your soft tissues..Thats why people have the most to lose who do quadrilateral..I bet they cannot reach 16cm(maxing out both nails) like myevolution

its a trade off time vs the length you give..i gave in just too much time from my first surgery to attain my goal. most people i have met just want to finish it up soon and move on with life- which is the right approach mentally, but you can only do so much so quick!

I want to know when you had the second femoral surgery, did your P2.2 change to a new one or continue to use the original nail?  Did your doctor just cut the bone again, take out the P2.2 distal locking nail, and fix it on the bone again?  If so, for your second femur surgery, you just paid the doctor's surgery fee, but didn't you pay P2.2 again?  Is that so?

[ReadRothbard]

if you really think about how people with dwarfism get over with 30+cm. two things:
1. flexible soft tissues: but come on, given their original length, i think they would still max out at 10cm- which is am equivalent of 15cm for a non dwarf person.
2. repeated lengthening- same segments again- in case of IM nail, its like you were about to remove, but instead you get a new nail in and rebreak..its lesser trauma too.

the second reason caught my eye. Like i had told you about the guichet patient who did 3cm(the guy was a doctor) and he recovered in 1.5 months and planned to rebreak. there are also more guichet paitents- simons(i mentioend him in my tibias journey, i saw him in person in milan) and christall.

How much time i took to recover from femur part 1(first 6cm) - feb 27 to may 31.. say 3 months..3 months is not a big deal to gain a quick 6cm. its going to be the same this time too- so i recoken by the new years 2022, I should be walking well enough.

Specially to those who have seen the benefits of getting closer to their goal and who have recovered well and fast and who know what they are doing.. it would be a routine jump out of the tunnel- the only reason i did it thrice at all.

precice made it easier for me

note: 3 months is just for walking normally- i waited till end of september only to get the hamstring flexion(my cruical bottle neck) back. My bone heals quite quick(you could see my previous surgery xrays too).

so total i would have spend 3months each time if i did hypothetically again too..which isnt so bad- its the rehab for a bigger fracture too. not very suspicious either. thats how i get the time.

also come on, I was 16 months on ilizarov. i do have patience grounded down to my balls lol.

i dont have any other release/tightness. just the it band/achilles. perhaps i was skinny to begin with(the more suited body type for lengthening).


Lengthening a lot is by no means bad..its only lengthening fast and giving less gaps between surgeries that kills your soft tissues..Thats why people have the most to lose who do quadrilateral..I bet they cannot reach 16cm(maxing out both nails) like myevolution

its a trade off time vs the length you give..i gave in just too much time from my first surgery to attain my goal. most people i have met just want to finish it up soon and move on with life- which is the right approach mentally, but you can only do so much so quick!

I agree with this. If you look at Paley's options, he offers 16 cm of total lengthening, but it includes rebreaking of the tibias + femurs.

[Scarface92]

Hi Fivetenneeded, how are you?  any update?? 

[Scarface92]

Hello guys, what happened to Fivetenneeded??