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[GrowTow]

I will be doing my limb lengthening in India and most recommend Dr Parihar, but can anyone elaborate on his hospital conditions etc

His hospital looks like a shack, his website is very out dated, from the outside looking in, everything about him seems very dodgy, can anyone I guess reassure he is as good as his reputation?

Btw, this is by no means hate, i'm not generalising for this to be racist or anything, I've seen the hospitals and accommodations of other Indian doctors, they seem much more modern, clean and in better areas so if Dr Parihar is the best trained and most successful, why are his facilities so bad.

[limbcllnea]

Yea definitely one of my biggest fears as well. His facilities look very old and outdated. There have been people who took one look at his facility and ran directly the other way, which is completely understandable. Take a look at pictures from other people's diaries, it's definitely not up to western standard. You get what you pay for and Parihar is not expensive. There are obviously things you sacrifice with a cheaper price, you can't expect it to be as perfect as Paley's facilities.

With that being said, I still believe that he is the best bang for the bucks as he has good vouches from veteran members and he seems to have his credentials straight. He also seems to care for his patients more than others. 

[KiloKAHN]

The clinic was built by Dr Parihar's father in the 70's and he's treating locals with low income primarily, so it's not going to be pristine like other hospitals with the budget behind it. However, not all rooms in the hospital look bad. The operating room is as bright, clean and sterile as those I've been to in US hospitals, and the waiting room and patient ward youre in for a couple days post surgery look just fine.



The x-ray room looks dated, but with Dr Parihar your amount lengthened is going to be accurate with the x-rays because he has an object of known size (like a coin) in the x-ray as well, so there won't be an issue of magnification throwing off your measurements and getting less total length at the end of lengthening than you thought you had. Having a doctor that does this to ensure accurate measurement is going to matter more to you in the long run than the cosmetics of the hospital.

You'll be in there 7 days at most, of which you'll be dozing in and out of sleep and the time will go by quickly if you have a laptop with you. I had my sheets changed daily and didn't experience any infections there since they assisted with sterile gauze dressing changes.

There are people who have turned the other way and gone with certain other docs in India because they operated in a nicer looking state hospital. Pretty sure these same people who had faced issues with their docs would choose differentlyif they could do it over again. Your doctor 's skill and bedside manner is going to matter one heck of a lot more than the paint on the walls.

[las vegas baby]

The x-ray room looks dated, but with Dr Parihar your amount lengthened is going to be accurate with the x-rays because he has an object of known size (like a coin) in the x-ray as well, so there won't be an issue of magnification throwing off your measurements and getting less total length at the end of lengthening than you thought you had. Having a doctor that does this to ensure accurate measurement is going to matter more to you in the long run than the cosmetics of the hospital.

EVERY xray has a scale. its not something dr P uniquely does. its either a coin or a scale or something to know the measurements. I have taken xrays of my leg before (not for leg length surgery) and it was always there.

[las vegas baby]

if u are doubtful then why not to go to a USA hospital like dr D or Mahboubia?

they do this surgery once a week. dr P has hardly done any of these cosmetic surgeries (now I know every one will say cosmetic is easier than deformity correction but there will always be something to learn from any surgery).

only 2 patients here have done this with dr P and we dont we know how they are doing.

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Dr. Parihar is just overrated.

[KiloKAHN]

EVERY xray has a scale. its not something dr P uniquely does. its either a coin or a scale or something to know the measurements. I have taken xrays of my leg before (not for leg length surgery) and it was always there.

You'd be surprised how many docs in foreign countries are pulling out rulers for measurements or not factoring in x-ray magnification, it's a reason a lot of patients are surprised that they didn't get as much length as they thought they did. So not unique in Parihar's case, but there are docs in India who either don't factor that at all or don't inform their patients about this, so if they want 5cm for example they don't actually tell them they need to turn beyond 5cm and the patients end up with less than that total height gained, chalk it up to inexperience or just not caring.

if u are doubtful then why not to go to a USA hospital like dr D or Mahboubia?

they do this surgery once a week. dr P has hardly done any of these cosmetic surgeries (now I know every one will say cosmetic is easier than deformity correction but there will always be something to learn from any surgery).

only 2 patients here have done this with dr P and we dont we know how they are doing.

Dr D is not performing one CLL per week and Dr Paley was referring to him specifically in cyborg's interview with him when mentioning doctors not being truthful about their number of cases.

If anything, Dr P's focus on congenital deformity corrections and injuries means he has seen a wider array of complications than the cosmetic-focused doctors and would have more experience fixing the complications that may arise with distraction. On top of that he's had at least 15 cosmetic patients so CLL isn't new territory.

Dr. Parihar is just overrated.

Yeah the doctor who has had two patients with diaries on here and topics where people are afraid of dying in his hospital because the building is old is totally overrated 

[GrowTow]

I will just have to go and visit the place myself but for now, the facilities seem like a massive deal breaker, I can accept he's probably the best option in India but i'll have to believe he is 10x better than the rest of the doctors in India for my mind to be set on doing my surgery with him.

He was my first choice since joining this forum but since then (say whatever you like) the only dr that has given me reassurance and extra info is Dr Sarin, i've talked to over 10 of his patience, all were successful besides 1 non union (he fixed that too).

I just can't find many patients of Dr Parihar nor can I accept his facilities whereas Dr Sarin has a good hospital and a very good accommodation too.

Idk, i'll still go and visit every option in person for myself. If Dr Parihar seems like he has a lot more knowledge than Dr Sarin then I will go against my doubt and just do the surgery with Dr Parihar.

[limbcllnea]

Honestly man, I've felt the same way. There are much better facilities for a similar price like Halil Buldu offering a 5-star hotel right next to the hospital. I still find it so hard to believe that such a good doctor like Parihar would be in such a terrible looking hospital. Obviously, the appearance of the hospital shouldn't be the sole determiner of the quality of the doctor, but I think that it speaks volumes about the quality of care you will receive.

For Parihar's lack of experience with CLL, I always think about an analogy that one of the people here said: "Would you rather fly with a perfect record pilot who has flown 1,000 hours with 0 emergency landing experiences or a pilot who has flown 50,000 hours with 1,000 hours of emergency landing experiences?" I think many would choose the second choice.

Despite this, I've already paid Parihar $200 for consultation and I am planning to go with him over anyone else. If you are planning to do LL in a notoriously terrible place like India, you better be CONFIDENT that your doctor is not bullsh*t. It appears that Parihar genuinely believes in function over length, something that MANY doctors completely disregard. Since he has turned away patients in the past because of rigid lengthening limits, it appears that he isn't money hungry like a lot of doctors in this industry who will exploit people who are prone to such vulnerabilities. I personally value those two characteristics so greatly, that I am willing to sacrifice a lot. In reality, perhaps the sacrifice is not worth it, who knows.

Another big influence was the two diaries from Penguin and Kilokhan. This kilokhan dude is helpful as fk to everyone over 6 years after his surgery. I've read Kilokhan's diary like the bible which is one of the most detailed diaries in the form. He vouches for Parihar and he doesn't read like a Parihar shill to me, but instead as someone who deeply believes that Parihar is a great doctor.

[E Z]

I will just have to go and visit the place myself but for now, the facilities seem like a massive deal breaker, I can accept he's probably the best option in India but i'll have to believe he is 10x better than the rest of the doctors in India for my mind to be set on doing my surgery with him.

He was my first choice since joining this forum but since then (say whatever you like) the only dr that has given me reassurance and extra info is Dr Sarin, i've talked to over 10 of his patience, all were successful besides 1 non union (he fixed that too).

I just can't find many patients of Dr Parihar nor can I accept his facilities whereas Dr Sarin has a good hospital and a very good accommodation too.

Idk, i'll still go and visit every option in person for myself. If Dr Parihar seems like he has a lot more knowledge than Dr Sarin then I will go against my doubt and just do the surgery with Dr Parihar.

I can’t believe I stumbled on to this post, I’d consider you lucky.

Please re-evaluate and do some research if you think Sarin is a “good” doctor. I’ve read at least 3 diaries of him absolutely ruining lives on here a while ago. Please avoid that man at all costs and if you can get the surgery done in the USA, please don’t take any shortcuts.

[limbcllnea]

I can’t believe I stumbled on to this post, I’d consider you lucky.

Please re-evaluate and do some research if you think Sarin is a “good” doctor. I’ve read at least 3 diaries of him absolutely ruining lives on here a while ago. Please avoid that man at all costs and if you can get the surgery done in the USA, please don’t take any shortcuts.

He is not taking shortcuts. He obviously did research if he talked to 10 patients. He is aware of the risks and is making his own risk calculations.

[las vegas baby]

I still find it so hard to believe that such a good doctor like Parihar would be in such a terrible looking hospital.

India ain't a rich country. I think dr P here is a kind doc who would rather help the poor and middle class than become a celebrity doc. look at his resume! I bet he couldve gone worked anywhere he wanted but he chose to work from his family hospital. Ive heard India has toooo much economic inequality. if he moved into a fancy hospital he prolly couldnt accommodate poorer patients necause hes then an employee of that hospital and cant do much to control the prices.

any way a simple google search shows that he also works frm another hospital. so I Guess you can ask to be operated there?

anywho if you can do it in the USA then nothing like it.

but if in India dr P seems to be the best. his resume reminds me of dr Ds.

[las vegas baby]

I will just have to go and visit the place myself but for now, the facilities seem like a massive deal breaker, I can accept he's probably the best option in India but i'll have to believe he is 10x better than the rest of the doctors in India for my mind to be set on doing my surgery with him.

He was my first choice since joining this forum but since then (say whatever you like) the only dr that has given me reassurance and extra info is Dr Sarin, i've talked to over 10 of his patience, all were successful besides 1 non union (he fixed that too).

I just can't find many patients of Dr Parihar nor can I accept his facilities whereas Dr Sarin has a good hospital and a very good accommodation too.

Idk, i'll still go and visit every option in person for myself. If Dr Parihar seems like he has a lot more knowledge than Dr Sarin then I will go against my doubt and just do the surgery with Dr Parihar.

did you just say the S word bruh?

[KiloKAHN]

I will just have to go and visit the place myself but for now, the facilities seem like a massive deal breaker, I can accept he's probably the best option in India but i'll have to believe he is 10x better than the rest of the doctors in India for my mind to be set on doing my surgery with him.

He was my first choice since joining this forum but since then (say whatever you like) the only dr that has given me reassurance and extra info is Dr Sarin, i've talked to over 10 of his patience, all were successful besides 1 non union (he fixed that too).

I just can't find many patients of Dr Parihar nor can I accept his facilities whereas Dr Sarin has a good hospital and a very good accommodation too.

Idk, i'll still go and visit every option in person for myself. If Dr Parihar seems like he has a lot more knowledge than Dr Sarin then I will go against my doubt and just do the surgery with Dr Parihar.

CLL is such an arduous process and a very personal thing, so ultimately it will come to who you feel is best for you.

Dr Parihar performed surgery at multiple hospitals in Mumbai where he is an honorary surgeon/visiting specialist and last I was there he said he used to give the option to have the surgery at another hospital. Since you already paid for the consultation you could ask if that is something he offers once again at any of those hospitals, which he had listed on his site:

"Dr. Mangal Parihar is a consultant orthopedic surgeon and limb reconstruction specialist and Honorary Assistant Professor at Sir JJ Group of Hospitals & Grant Medical College. He is also an Honorary Orthopedic Surgeon at Sir HN Hospital & Research Centre, Police Hospital and Fortis (Wockhardt) Hospitals, Mumbai. Dr. Parihar is a visiting specialist – Ilizarov Surgery at Jagjivan Ram Hospital, Mumbai."
https://ilizarov.in/about-us/dr-mangal-parihar.html

[limbcllnea]

Dr Parihar performed surgery at multiple hospitals in Mumbai where he is an honorary surgeon/visiting specialist and last I was there he said he used to give the option to have the surgery at another hospital.

Did he extend you the offer of having the surgery at another hospital? If so, why didn't you take it?

[KiloKAHN]

Did he extend you the offer of having the surgery at another hospital? If so, why didn't you take it?

I asked him about it because when I first messaged him between 2008-2012 (I forget what year) he replied in an email with that as an option, but also added that it would result in a slightly higher cost for surgery due to higher charges for the operating room at another hospital. When I had my surgery in 2014 though, that option wasn't available at the time. I'm not sure if it's an option that fluctuates based on his schedule or what, but it's worth asking if you're interested in that.

I wouldn't have done it though because the room at Dr P's hospital, even though it only had a small TV, was enough for me with a bed and my laptop with wifi. Plus, I stayed at Hotel Maharana (https://www.hotelmaharana.com) for the duration of my lengthening once I was discharged and it was only like 2 blocks away from Dr Parihar's clinic, making followup visits much easier.

[SpeedDialer]

I dunno, I've heard some bad things about Sarin. Does he use stryde now though? Maybe..

[SpeedDialer]

In your opinion, is Parihar a good option for cheap nail removal? Or not worth the risk of the dirty facility?

[GrowTow]

Anyone have any idea on how many patients Dr Parihar has each year?

I haven't spoken to any of his past patients besides obviously coming across KiloKahn and Penguin whereas Dr Sarins team sent me patients numbers whenever I asked, who I made sure were real by asking all the questions, background details, facetimed them during and after their surgery to make sure they weren't under some strict guest house rules to not say anything bad whilst lengthening. Everything imaginable. If this kind of reassurance is possible with Dr Parihar patients then of course i'd go with him.