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[F_99]

My degree is at exposing morons who hammers themeselves to become taller.
LL, risky as it is, is the only way to become taller.
Hammering your bones, risky or not too, is some stupid bs 9nly for morons and masochists

C'mon, BroScience innit? Do a PhD in stupidity to complete the package.
LLS is the only known way to become taller, as of yet*. Risky, permanently damaging, painful, etc.

As another user wrote, those who decide to do the light tapping have nothing to lose except a few minutes, since it's free. You created a sh*t-show here for nothing, "BuT iT's MoRe DaNgErOuS tHaN tHe SuRgErY!!".

You just don't want a better alternative to appear + are against anyone who's looking for non-invasive ways, it's blatantly obvious.

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5240.msg82280#msg82280
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=8924.msg90461#msg90461
And
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65471.msg179349#msg179349
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65471.msg180269#msg180269
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65626.msg181827#msg181827
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65517.msg179668#msg179668
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65649.0#lastPost

They even made a different thread about possible non-invasive alternatives partly because of you http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9352

[Body Builder]

C'mon, BroScience innit? Do a PhD in stupidity to complete the package.
LLS is the only known way to become taller, as of yet*. Risky, permanently damaging, painful, etc.

As another user wrote, those who decide to do the light tapping have nothing to lose except a few minutes, since it's free. You created a sh*t-show here for nothing, "BuT iT's MoRe DaNgErOuS tHaN tHe SuRgErY!!".

You just don't want a better alternative to appear + are against anyone who's looking for non-invasive ways, it's blatantly obvious.

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5240.msg82280#msg82280
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=8924.msg90461#msg90461
And
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65471.msg179349#msg179349
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65471.msg180269#msg180269
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65626.msg181827#msg181827
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65517.msg179668#msg179668
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65649.0#lastPost

They even made a different thread about possible non-invasive alternatives partly because of you http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9352

Yes you are right. I don't want an easy alternative like a pill or injection to gain 5-6cm more, I prefer femur LL and giving 50k+ euros. Because I am a surgeon and I get money from LL.
Your stupidity is hillarious.

You are so genious that you completely worth doing hammering for the rest of your life.
To be honest, maybe you did hammering on your head, thats why you say bs like these. Who knows.

[ZUCC420]

[Body Builder]

You are right. But unfortunately I can't let stupid people talk about hammers and bs like that in a forum about LL.
You can talk about it in a group on fb or in a bdsm forum or a forum about stupidity.
But not here, at least unanswered.
Thats why I argue with you, although I shouldn't as Twain said.

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I'm starting LSJL soon.

Anyone wants to join?

[Ghostfish]

To spell it out for you, iPSCs yamanaka factors with auxiliary bio printing can be used to turn any cell into growth plate chondrocytes in vitro, the only problem is finding out a way to do it in vivo effectively without any collateral damage around the region.

Hopefully we won't ever see you here again after you've recovered from the surgery cause the only people who're here after undergoing it are neurotic depressed mess of a human being that can't seem to move on even after supposedly curing their neurosis (yeah and some completely mentally sound veterans).

Hi Zucc
I think you are too much over confident. It is probably because you are too young.  I am quite old actually and have high degree education in biology related field, whether you believe or not.  In vitro experiment is far different from in vivo animal environment. Turning iPS into chondrocytes in vitro is interesting and informative but still far from being available for in vivo. The first simple reason is that there is no weight pressure in vitro whereas in vivo situation, there is no space for iPS or other stem cells to become chondrocyte or grow plates and weight pressure is too much for new stem cells to form a space for generating a growth plate.  Of course, you probably can't or do not want to believe it. That is fine. 

I am here not because I still have height depression or anything related but because I may want to do another surgery or to remove my nails without further surgery. I am trying to decide it.  Plus, since I also got a lot of help and info from this forum, I would like to help ppl as much as I know until I am completely gone. Don't worry.  I will be probably gone forever from here some time next year.

Good luck!

[ZUCC420]

Hi Zucc
I think you are too much over confident. It is probably because you are too young.  I am quite old actually and have high degree education in biology related field, whether you believe or not.  In vitro experiment is far different from in vivo animal environment. Turning iPS into chondrocytes in vitro is interesting and informative but still far from being available for in vivo. The first simple reason is that there is no weight pressure in vitro whereas in vivo situation, there is no space for iPS or other stem cells to become chondrocyte or grow plates and weight pressure is too much for new stem cells to form a space for generating a growth plate.  Of course, you probably can't or do not want to believe it. That is fine. 

I don't know what weight pressure means but even if you have "high degree education in biology related field" that doesn't mean anything other than you have a degree in a field related to biology. I also don't understand your theoretical considerations or worries but my point was simply a basic consequence of using stem cells, the main goal which is to inject them onto the human body that's it, that's like one of the first priority of scientists currently.

If you think you can contribute to the discussion why don't you join https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/lsjl/the-most-important-topic-in-growth-plate-reopening-t1029.html instead of writing off something completely by using undefined terms in an equivocating manner just to assert your conclusion.

Also I've a minor in biology so I've something of a direct high degree education concerning biology but I'm not a person to first consider someone's age or qualifications when having a theoretical discussion.

[F_99]

Ikr. The guy is not only an idiot, but an arrogant weirdo and a smug.

Yes you are right. I don't want an easy alternative like a pill or injection to gain 5-6cm more, I prefer femur LL and giving 50k+ euros. Because I am a surgeon and I get money from LL.
Your stupidity is hillarious.

You are so genious that you completely worth doing hammering for the rest of your life.
To be honest, maybe you did hammering on your head, thats why you say bs like these. Who knows.

No, because you have already broken your legs and permanently damaged them to increase your height and don't want others to benefit from something less/non invasive.

You also contradict yourself, "I don't criticize scientific things".
Did you click the links? They lead directly to your posts, where you called people discussing potential alternatives cowards, delusionals, stupid idiots, waiting for BS, just because they were disagreeing with you.
You obviously don't do that in real life (if you have one; to begin with), otherwise your hollow head would have wiped the floor "many many years" ago.

I'm starting LSJL soon.

Anyone wants to join?

You can join that forum, if you haven't already, where other people are trying it out (the new method; with which Tyler/MiniGolfer says he grew from 5'7 to 5'8, http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65522.0)

He says he lengthened his finger http://www.naturalheightgrowth.com/2014/10/08/proof-lsjl-loaded-finger-longer/

But we don't know if you can increase the size of your long bones with it. I personally don't have hopes; But haven't ruled it out completely, yet.

[Ghostfish]

I don't know what weight pressure means but even if you have "high degree education in biology related field" that doesn't mean anything other than you have a degree in a field related to biology. I also don't understand your theoretical considerations or worries but my point was simply a basic consequence of using stem cells, the main goal which is to inject them onto the human body that's it, that's like one of the first priority of scientists currently.

If you think you can contribute to the discussion why don't you join https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/lsjl/the-most-important-topic-in-growth-plate-reopening-t1029.html instead of writing off something completely by using undefined terms in an equivocating manner just to assert your conclusion.

Also I've a minor in biology so I've something of a direct high degree education concerning biology but I'm not a person to first consider someone's age or qualifications when having a theoretical discussion.

Hi Zucc
Well, you are even saying that you have something of a direct high degree education concerning biology, just becasue you have a minor in biology. However, I have a major and PhD. in biology area and been working in that field for a long time.  In fact, I've also studied stem cells although it was not my strong area. 

In vivo settings are very different from in vitro settings.  There is no weight pr mechanical pressure against stem cells or iPS in vitro setting, so they can grow or differentiate into chondrocytes or growth plate like structure, sort of in random fashion. However within body, if you inject stem cells/iPS into bone or joint, most of them will simply die.  Some surviving cells within the gap or a space may re-proliferate into osteoblasts, which can then fill a gap in the bone or help bone growth.  However, they can't form a growth plate, which requires so many other factors, including overcoming weight from the body and no space.  Growth plate is a very unique structure in the bone. As you know, it is a sort of gap and sort but supporting body weight. To make growth plate in the bone where there is no gap anymore, stem cells need to form a gap in the very rock hard place, while supporting body weight.  That is really really hard.  Replacing dying cells, or empty tissue areas due to cell death with stem cell differentiated tissue specific cells is relatively possible.  But regenerating a growth plate in adult bone using stem cells is a really challenging subject.  Although it could or will be possible someday, it is very unlikely it will happen anytime soon (like within 20 years or so).

Anyway, I think this will be the last reply for you.  Whether you understand or not, it is up to you.

Good luck!     

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LSJL is the future.

Fu-ck LL!

In fact, I've also studied stem cells although it was not my strong area.

So what man? I studied Math, Biology, Physics, Chemistry in high school for 6 years. Yet I possess 0 knowledge in those subjects now.

[ZUCC420]

Anyway, I think this will be the last reply for you.  Whether you understand or not, it is up to you.

Your patronizing attitude and self righteousness laid bare "ohh so obvious" conclusion derived as a result of doing PHD in a biology related field which you have to let everyone here know twice reeks of condescension and an appeal to authority without any good reason. I thought we could have a discussion regardless of our qualifications but seems your in a rush to leave this exchange while hurling out an unfounded assertion, whatever I couldn't care less.

[Astronomy]

LSJL is pseudoscience just admit it.There are very little feats about LSJL cuz I've ever browsed LSJL forum.
Anyway if you're talking about LL it's definitely possible in the future cuz many surprising techiniques would spring up in the future.But if you're talking about any surgeries about height it's definitely impossible cuz genes determine heights most thus you can't change your heights without any postnatural methods only to know surgeries can change.

[Body Builder]

And to close that topic once and for all, "is it possible to grow without surgery"?
No it is not.

In some years (personally I believe is some decades) maybe but not for now.