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[brondo]

Is coming back to 100% or even close to 100% a myth for CLL? Have there actually been any patients (who've most likely done a conservative amount of lengthening like 5cm) been able to claim that they have returned to basically 100%. Like when you finish the whole process does it feel like you just got taller and nothing else is off? Athleticism is important to me, not just for recreational sports but for everyday activities around the house. Can enough PT get you back to 100% or will you definitely give up some no matter what? I've read things about people feeling like they were on "stilts" while performing athletic activities and didn't feel like themselves. Does this feeling go away or are your biomechanics off permanently?

[Hagane]

id say it depends on what the persons definition of 100% is
if youre an elite level athlete then no youll probably never get back to that level, or by the time you do youll no longer be in your prime age.
if yuou just wanna play intramural beer league stuff with your friends, then yeah its 100% possible to get back to a recreational level of athelticism
but if you think you can become an olympian after this procedure then its best to keep dreaming.

[brondo]

id say it depends on what the persons definition of 100% is
if youre an elite level athlete then no youll probably never get back to that level, or by the time you do youll no longer be in your prime age.
if yuou just wanna play intramural beer league stuff with your friends, then yeah its 100% possible to get back to a recreational level of athelticism
but if you think you can become an olympian after this procedure then its best to keep dreaming.

I guess what I mean by 100% athleticism is being able to do the things you were capable of doing before and maybe a bit more. Like I'm squatting a bit over 400 lbs right now. If I work hard can I squat 430 lbs after 2 years post-op surgery?

[precice strider]

I guess what I mean by 100% athleticism is being able to do the things you were capable of doing before and maybe a bit more. Like I'm squatting a bit over 400 lbs right now. If I work hard can I squat 430 lbs after 2 years post-op surgery?

If you lengthen femurs squats will most definitely be harder.

[Hagane]

I guess what I mean by 100% athleticism is being able to do the things you were capable of doing before and maybe a bit more. Like I'm squatting a bit over 400 lbs right now. If I work hard can I squat 430 lbs after 2 years post-op surgery?

i guess we have to break it to down to :

loss of muscle volume from distraction
relearning to squat with  new biomechanics

most of your docs will probably tell you not to lift heavy until your hardware removal+ 1 month
so lets say thats about 13/14 months
if you were to decondition for 13 months  lets say your squat would go down to 135
but it comes back quick, probably in 4 months youd be comforably i the high 200's again

but with the new height
youd have to change the way you squat
are you high bar masterrace? or lowbar?

i post this vid on here all the time
im assuming youre gunning for femurs?


tldr: post op regaining your muscle mass will come relatively easier. however you will need to retrain your body to adapt to new proportions/centre of gravity. i think reaching 430 in 2 years is too lofty of a goal ( unless you use gear then thats probably reasonable) but i would give yourself a full year  from fully healed ( one month after removal) to get close to baseline

[brondo]

i guess we have to break it to down to :

loss of muscle volume from distraction
relearning to squat with  new biomechanics

most of your docs will probably tell you not to lift heavy until your hardware removal+ 1 month
so lets say thats about 13/14 months
if you were to decondition for 13 months  lets say your squat would go down to 135
but it comes back quick, probably in 4 months youd be comforably i the high 200's again

but with the new height
youd have to change the way you squat
are you high bar masterrace? or lowbar?

i post this vid on here all the time
im assuming youre gunning for femurs?


tldr: post op regaining your muscle mass will come relatively easier. however you will need to retrain your body to adapt to new proportions/centre of gravity. i think reaching 430 in 2 years is too lofty of a goal ( unless you use gear then thats probably reasonable) but i would give yourself a full year  from fully healed ( one month after removal) to get close to baseline

Thanks wannabeidol. I was wondering if this would be easier if I did 5cm or maybe less? My femurs are actually really short so I might have some wiggle room there. Have you done CLL yourself, are you speaking from experience?

[Hagane]

Thanks wannabeidol. I was wondering if this would be easier if I did 5cm or maybe less? My femurs are actually really short so I might have some wiggle room there. Have you done CLL yourself, are you speaking from experience?

not yet hopfully by the end of the month

more speaking with experience with my degree in sport science/ as a powerlifter/olylifter

[anaverageperson]

i guess we have to break it to down to :

loss of muscle volume from distraction
relearning to squat with  new biomechanics

most of your docs will probably tell you not to lift heavy until your hardware removal+ 1 month
so lets say thats about 13/14 months
if you were to decondition for 13 months  lets say your squat would go down to 135
but it comes back quick, probably in 4 months youd be comforably i the high 200's again

but with the new height
youd have to change the way you squat
are you high bar masterrace? or lowbar?

i post this vid on here all the time
im assuming youre gunning for femurs?


tldr: post op regaining your muscle mass will come relatively easier. however you will need to retrain your body to adapt to new proportions/centre of gravity. i think reaching 430 in 2 years is too lofty of a goal ( unless you use gear then thats probably reasonable) but i would give yourself a full year  from fully healed ( one month after removal) to get close to baseline

This is a really great video. Very clearly demonstrates the importance of ratios above all else in the squat.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the implication here seems to be that (assuming recovery is good and flexibility is not compromised following CLL), someone could actually get a deeper squat by lengthening tibias, all other things held equal. And yeah, lengthening femurs only, generally speaking, will be detrimental to back squat depth.

@brondo, this video might be useful to you. This person was on C4L's channel and lengthened femurs 2in (~5cm) and was back in the gym doing light leg presses, not full weight bearing, after 1.5 months. We're all pretty much guinea pigs here, but proportion/biomechanics/complications issues aside, if flexibility is fine I don't see any reason why someone wouldn't be able to go back to full athletic performance 2 years post op especially if they work hard. Then again I'm just another crazy optimistic person who actually looks forward to this surgery so a lot of it is probably wishful thinking  .

[brondo]

not yet hopfully by the end of the month

more speaking with experience with my degree in sport science/ as a powerlifter/olylifter

Gotcha, thanks. Are you going to try to go the full length when/if you get LL or are you trying to maintain your athleticism as well and play it conservatively?

[Hagane]

This is a really great video. Very clearly demonstrates the importance of ratios above all else in the squat.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the implication here seems to be that (assuming recovery is good and flexibility is not compromised following CLL), someone could actually get a deeper squat by lengthening tibias, all other things held equal. And yeah, lengthening femurs only, generally speaking, will be detrimental to back squat depth.

@brondo, this video might be useful to you. This person was on C4L's channel and lengthened femurs 2in (~5cm) and was back in the gym doing light leg presses, not full weight bearing, after 1.5 months. We're all pretty much guinea pigs here, but proportion/biomechanics/complications issues aside, if flexibility is fine I don't see any reason why someone wouldn't be able to go back to full athletic performance 2 years post op especially if they work hard. Then again I'm just another crazy optimistic person who actually looks forward to this surgery so a lot of it is probably wishful thinking  .

i would say the best takeaway is that certain proportions suit certain squatting styles.
longer femurs and low bar squatting go hand in hand

[Hagane]

Gotcha, thanks. Are you going to try to go the full length when/if you get LL or are you trying to maintain your athleticism as well and play it conservatively?

i plan to go tibias because
my tibs are a little shorter and
i think long tibs look much better

[brondo]

This is a really great video. Very clearly demonstrates the importance of ratios above all else in the squat.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the implication here seems to be that (assuming recovery is good and flexibility is not compromised following CLL), someone could actually get a deeper squat by lengthening tibias, all other things held equal. And yeah, lengthening femurs only, generally speaking, will be detrimental to back squat depth.

@brondo, this video might be useful to you. This person was on C4L's channel and lengthened femurs 2in (~5cm) and was back in the gym doing light leg presses, not full weight bearing, after 1.5 months. We're all pretty much guinea pigs here, but proportion/biomechanics/complications issues aside, if flexibility is fine I don't see any reason why someone wouldn't be able to go back to full athletic performance 2 years post op especially if they work hard. Then again I'm just another crazy optimistic person who actually looks forward to this surgery so a lot of it is probably wishful thinking  .

Thanks for the link anaverageperson. I actually listened to both of Alfonso's interviews. He actually decided to go another half inch, it's on Limbplastx's institute's instagram page. I think there are a lot of people who do CLL who only value the height and aren't really interested in pushing themselves athletically which is kind of disappointing to me. I am hoping to see more evidence of what can be done athletically post LL surgery, there doesn't seem to be a lot of footage or content of that stuff online, even going through peoples diaries on this site. You're probably right that this current batch of Stryde CLL patients are fortunately/unfortunately are going to be guinea pigs to see what works and what doesn't. I would love to see someone with collegiate level athleticism do CLL and see if they can come back to that level. I remember Dr. Debiparshad saying that he operated on someone who was a Division 1 athlete. I wonder if that person is here in the forums.

[ghkid2019]

If you want amazing recovery diaries

ShyShy
OldieButGoldie
Sweden (he got x-legs tho but assuming surgeon was competent he woulda been amazing recovery)

[brondo]

If you want amazing recovery diaries

ShyShy
OldieButGoldie
Sweden (he got x-legs tho but assuming surgeon was competent he woulda been amazing recovery)

Thanks. Do you know what causes x-legs and if a good surgeon is able to avoid it or is it out of their control?

[ghkid2019]

Thanks. Do you know what causes x-legs and if a good surgeon is able to avoid it or is it out of their control?

Use of blocking screws to ensure perfect fit of nail usually reduces the severity of any x-legs or bowlegs. All good surgeons do this. Also the higher the bone break the higher the chance of x leg or bow.

It's definitely avoidable, usually. Sometimes you may get a slight x leg that you barely can notice. And femur lengthening less chance of these issues than tibia legnthening.

In the worse case you do get x legs, you can always get a correction down the line in life. So no worries. Most good surgeon will use blocking screw and avoid this. And with femur even less chance.

If u have hexapod external for tibia you can guarantee perfect alignment with doctor computer  generated commands to align bone 360 degrees. Obviously just a nail alone is limited in how much you can do.

[brondo]

Thanks