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jasifa6015

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LL and Limbo
« on: March 06, 2020, 04:09:26 AM »

Ive wanted to do the surgery since 8 years ago. For 5 years I worked hard to save money. After that I visited surgeons to ask about the surgery. Met a few patients. But it has been 3 long years and I think about this decision every goddamn day: "Should I do it or not?"

Every. single. day.

For 3 years every day I have been in a state of limbo. Cant decide to do it, cant decide not to do it.

Ive not been able to change my job, go on dates, go on long vacations, buy a new house, even properly hit the gym and do leg days. all because "what if I have to get this surgery next month? I cant make such any big commitment now" I feel like Ive been stuck in the exact same point of time for 3 years. Nothing I experience in life has been "full". everywhere I hang out with someone I have to think "will this person notice me different after LL? should I reduce stop hanging out with him then?" if I have to go that beach party, "oh no if I go completely barefoot and then get LL later, people will definitely know!"

man this sucks
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Re: LL and Limbo
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2020, 04:27:54 AM »

Yeah, LL will make you way worse at limbo.  There's no amount of PT and rehab that will get you back to your pre-LL limbo ability. ;D

But seriosly, these are all legitimate concerns.  Yes, people will notice that you're taller.  My 6'1 uncle who saw me two years before my LL and then one year after easily noticed the difference between me at 5'7 and 5'10.  I think he believed that I'd had a late growth spurt when I told him that, but I'm not sure.  If he did, it's only because I hardly ever saw him.

Personally, I think people should only get LL if they're really unhappy with their lives and want to start over somewhere else as a new, taller person.  Just go back and see important/irreplaceable people from your pre-LL life, that's all.  Height seems like more of a core part of one's identity than other things people get cosmetic surgery for.
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Re: LL and Limbo
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2020, 04:48:56 AM »

People finding out it is a lesser reason for limbo. Bigger reason is that doing this means 6 months of disability and I cant commit to anything in life knowing that I might go through this any time. Because you have to drop commitments for LL (job, gf, vacation plans, applying for PhD, anything big)

I dont mind retaining 80% of my athletic abilities as long as I can hike, walk very long and stand for very long like a normal healthy person.
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Re: LL and Limbo
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2020, 06:01:08 PM »

Yeah it's a tough spot to be in. I remember when I was deciding to get my height imbalance fixed. I literally left the future of my competitive natural bodybuilding career in the hands of the surgeon and my ability to meticulously keep up with the daily tasks during the procedure (distraction, therapy, rest, not messing up etc.)

But I had to really ask myself, time only goes forward and would I be willing to take a 6 month sabbatical to live the rest of my life without a limp in my gait. It was then and there that I made the consult, told my concerns to the doctor and went through with it.

Was not a walk in the park by any means, but I am glad I did it bc it added significant value to my quality of life which is the factor you gotta weigh when making such as life-changing decision.
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Re: LL and Limbo
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2020, 12:47:15 AM »

I think OP is saying he's in a limbo. Not doing limbo..lol
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Re: LL and Limbo
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2020, 04:53:00 AM »

Do you feel someone could go through it on their own ?
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2020, 08:03:25 AM »

The year leading up to my operation was very difficult. I was in a state of constant flux, consumed by dark thoughts that oscillated between doing LL and not doing LL. I couldn't function as a normal human being until I did some deep reflection and came to peace with my decision to move forward.

Personally it was one of the best decisions of my life. I hesitate to say this because in some ways a statement like that can amplify the height neurosis of whoever reads this. The decision to move forward with this surgery is deeply a personal one. If you're struggling with height neurosis, LL should be the last resort in your journey towards resolution. Here's what I would suggest as a framework in deciding to do LL:

-Reflect on whether the core areas of your life (friends, family, career, wealth, romance, and purpose etc.) are strong and healthy. LL will not fix all of your problems. It can only fix height neurosis and possibly enhance some areas of your life. If you're not satisfied with your life beyond just your height, you will remain unsatisfied after LL. Make sure you have a healthy sense of self worth in all core areas before you do LL.

-Wear lifts for a couple months leading up to your height that puts you at your desired LL height. See how it makes you feel. When you are walking around in your lifts height, do you feel happier, sadder, or the same? Update your virtual identity with your desired LL height. For example, update your dating profile, if you have one, with your LL height. Observe how it's changed, if at all. 

-See if you can resolve your height neurosis through therapy. Perhaps try meditation. A much healthier and economical way to resolve height neurosis than LL.

-Ask yourself how important athleticism is to you. If you're like me, a guy who does light workouts at the gym to stay fit....nothing to worry about. However if competitive sports and athleticism are a big part of your life, LL may not be worth it. I've decided, with a conservative estimate, that retaining 80% of my athleticism after LL was something I'd be able to live with.

-Don't worry about what other people think or if they notice you taller. I worried about this a lot and after doing LL I realized it doesn't really matter, people don't really care about you as much as you think they do. And those that really do care for you will love you unconditionally if you did LL anyways. For the rest of them, who cares....

-Plan for the worst and hope for the best in the context of financial, health, and time budgeting. If your operation is $100k, make sure you have at least $200k in savings. One thing is for certain with LL, it will not turn out how you planned. There will be unexpected costs, unexpected changes in recovery timeline, etc. At the very least this is a 6 month journey, a lot can happen in that time frame, you could lose a job, lose a romantic partner, lose friends, expect the world to change and move on. You need to have a security blanket and the ability to support yourself independently in a world of uncertainty of outcome. 

-Make sure you are mentally strong. This journey will test you. Beyond just the physical pain. Isolation. Solitude. Lack of sleep. It can break you down. Don't set goals, set systems and good habits that allow you to chip away at LL day by day. Remember you are voluntarrily breaking your legs and stretching your bones and soft tissue. This is no walk in the park. It's all about the mindset and shifting your perspective to one that's positive when every day feels dark.

I hope you are able to make it through your journey, whatever that may be, and escape this state of limbo. I remember how hard it was for me. Wish you the best.
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Re: LL and Limbo
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2020, 10:00:37 AM »

Ive wanted to do the surgery since 8 years ago. For 5 years I worked hard to save money. After that I visited surgeons to ask about the surgery. Met a few patients. But it has been 3 long years and I think about this decision every goddamn day: "Should I do it or not?"

Every. single. day.

For 3 years every day I have been in a state of limbo. Cant decide to do it, cant decide not to do it.

Ive not been able to change my job, go on dates, go on long vacations, buy a new house, even properly hit the gym and do leg days. all because "what if I have to get this surgery next month? I cant make such any big commitment now" I feel like Ive been stuck in the exact same point of time for 3 years. Nothing I experience in life has been "full". everywhere I hang out with someone I have to think "will this person notice me different after LL? should I reduce stop hanging out with him then?" if I have to go that beach party, "oh no if I go completely barefoot and then get LL later, people will definitely know!"

man this sucks

Maybe you need to think more deeply about why you want to do it. Ask yourself this question, be honest with your answer, write it down, come back to it later. A psychologist or psychiatrist would sure be able to help you clarify your thoughts around this. Set this goal today, that to decide to do it or not as soon as possible. Decide to get out of limbo now!

 
The year leading up to my operation was very difficult. I was in a state of constant flux, consumed by dark thoughts that oscillated between doing LL and not doing LL. I couldn't function as a normal human being until I did some deep reflection and came to peace with my decision to move forward.

Personally it was one of the best decisions of my life. I hesitate to say this because in some ways a statement like that can amplify the height neurosis of whoever reads this. The decision to move forward with this surgery is deeply a personal one. If you're struggling with height neurosis, LL should be the last resort in your journey towards resolution. Here's what I would suggest as a framework in deciding to do LL:

-Reflect on whether the core areas of your life (friends, family, career, wealth, romance, and purpose etc.) are strong and healthy. LL will not fix all of your problems. It can only fix height neurosis and possibly enhance some areas of your life. If you're not satisfied with your life beyond just your height, you will remain unsatisfied after LL. Make sure you have a healthy sense of self worth in all core areas before you do LL.

-Wear lifts for a couple months leading up to your height that puts you at your desired LL height. See how it makes you feel. When you are walking around in your lifts height, do you feel happier, sadder, or the same? Update your virtual identity with your desired LL height. For example, update your dating profile, if you have one, with your LL height. Observe how it's changed, if at all. 

-See if you can resolve your height neurosis through therapy. Perhaps try meditation. A much healthier and economical way to resolve height neurosis than LL.

-Ask yourself how important athleticism is to you. If you're like me, a guy who does light workouts at the gym to stay fit....nothing to worry about. However if competitive sports and athleticism are a big part of your life, LL may not be worth it. I've decided, with a conservative estimate, that retaining 80% of my athleticism after LL was something I'd be able to live with.

-Don't worry about what other people think or if they notice you taller. I worried about this a lot and after doing LL I realized it doesn't really matter, people don't really care about you as much as you think they do. And those that really do care for you will love you unconditionally if you did LL anyways. For the rest of them, who cares....

-Plan for the worst and hope for the best in the context of financial, health, and time budgeting. If your operation is $100k, make sure you have at least $200k in savings. One thing is for certain with LL, it will not turn out how you planned. There will be unexpected costs, unexpected changes in recovery timeline, etc. At the very least this is a 6 month journey, a lot can happen in that time frame, you could lose a job, lose a romantic partner, lose friends, expect the world to change and move on. You need to have a security blanket and the ability to support yourself independently in a world of uncertainty of outcome. 

-Make sure you are mentally strong. This journey will test you. Beyond just the physical pain. Isolation. Solitude. Lack of sleep. It can break you down. Don't set goals, set systems and good habits that allow you to chip away at LL day by day. Remember you are voluntarrily breaking your legs and stretching your bones and soft tissue. This is no walk in the park. It's all about the mindset and shifting your perspective to one that's positive when every day feels dark.

I hope you are able to make it through your journey, whatever that may be, and escape this state of limbo. I remember how hard it was for me. Wish you the best.

Very solid advice!
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Re: LL and Limbo
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2020, 09:48:24 PM »

I am sorry but I personally believe that you need to just go through with it and do it. Are things going to get messed up ? Yeah. But it's not as scary when you expect them to be messed up. If you have the funds and the resources to get this done then do it.... you will be able to pick up the pieces... unless u really believe having this surgery will ruin every facet of your life for decades which is a very irrational thought. you've wanted this for years...its not going to go away... you need to go through with it... if you wanted my two cents
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Starting Height: 170.68cm; Goal Height: 182cm in two separate operations (^8cm Femurs, ^5cm Tibias)
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