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[daikioni]

It’s written in this forum:
2.   Dr. Giotikas lives in the UK mostly,

I’ve seen something similar from other patients diary also

I didnt saw anyone mention anything like that in their diaries correct me if im wrong.

[TemakiSushi]

I didnt saw anyone mention anything like that in their diaries correct me if im wrong.

That means you haven’t even read the diary of Great321

[daikioni]

Great went to germany and came back to greece if i remember correctly to do lon.  enlighten me!

[limewalk]

Temaki do you know of any bad cases with Dong Hoon? What is the worst case you have heard of?

From your network do you feel LL is safe to do?

[TemakiSushi]

Temaki do you know of any bad cases with Dong Hoon? What is the worst case you have heard of?

From your network do you feel LL is safe to do?

So far I haven’t heard any complications of Donghoon patients BUT I still continue watching out
CLL can be a very dangerous surgery if you choose a wrong doctor

[limewalk]

So far I haven’t heard any complications of Donghoon patients BUT I still continue watching out
CLL can be a very dangerous surgery if you choose a wrong doctor

How many cases have you followed up on Temaki?

[TemakiSushi]

How many cases have you followed up on Temaki?

Direct contacts of Donghoon patients are 7 cases, indirect offline are more than 10

[TemakiSushi]

Great went to germany and came back to greece if i remember correctly to do lon.  enlighten me!

You need to realize that you are putting traps and non informed readers may get into troubles by saying “Giotikas is a good doctor”
enough red signs are set about him already on this forum
You haven’t even noticed yet
Of course on going patients you met will say only good things
Need to read things between lines
Even Jolien is setting alerts between lines

[Montreal172]

If you're referring to Great 321, he did have TSF frames which is a painful thing.
Rather than, LON, precise or Stryde.

[daikioni]

Personally i see the results! i dont read between lines if someone has a bad experience i expect for them to share it thats why this forum exists! And i dont lay any traps i say everytime pick your surgeon that you trust! you on the other hand you say only pick dr lee!

[TemakiSushi]

If you're referring to Great 321, he did have TSF frames which is a painful thing.
Rather than, LON, precise or Stryde.

It’s not the point to look at
TSF or LON or IM mails doesn’t  matter
Not just externals but also Giotikas couldn’t fix misalignment of Stryde and left more problems
He’s just NOT experienced in CLL enough at all 
His number of Nuvasive nails cases of tibias are so little also
Patients doing IM tibias with Giotikas are still guiniepigs

[TemakiSushi]

Personally i see the results! i dont read between lines if someone has a bad experience i expect for them to share it thats why this forum exists! And i dont lay any traps i say everytime pick your surgeon that you trust! you on the other hand you say only pick dr lee!

Your trust is not really based on facts
You are only picking information which is to affirm your desire
Not seeing reality objectively
That kind of attitude has lead many to traps and tragedies in the long history of CLL

[Montreal172]

I think to go on a more constructive approach it would be best to point out other docs more experiences based on their respective methods.
Rather than stating he's not good or just take Dohgoog (as it seems biased).

[TemakiSushi]

I’ve already explained here a lot, check my posts which are over 300

[Great321]

He doesn’t give very good PT,

I had a very good PT. The problem is that she is not the only one working there. I strongly believe that most PTs can help you with tibias as soon as the frames are off. I don't know about femurs.

In other patient video, he got unnaturally flat feet and probably pronation deformity.  These conditions can produce long term complications such as arthritis and pain when walk
Good doctors never produce complications like them

I read that once from you somewhere else but I didn't comment on it. I just noted on my diary multiple times that I had flat feet prior to LL. So I assume that you are the one that doesn't read diaries thoroughly and just pick the information you need. I have been to a German orthopedist as well. He didn't seem concerned about my flat feet as many people on the world have flat feet. I just got shoe insoles and I'm fine now. It doesn't need to be a permanent thing.  I think you are a smart dude who has a lot of knowledge but you are wrong on this one.

It’s written in this forum:
2.   Dr. Giotikas lives in the UK mostly,

Dr. Giotikas was there at crucial times. I could call him or text him any time. When it was urgent he responded the same day. Most of the time I got an answer the next day. His co worker Dr. Giannakos who is in Greece was there all the time. They took turns every two weeks when X-rays had to be made. I can assure you that you won't have that direct contact with most German doctors. But sure I can understand why you think that it's better when a doctor is there all the time.

You need to realize that you are putting traps and non informed readers may get into troubles by saying “Giotikas is a good doctor”

It is true that Dr. Giotikas is of course not on the same level as Dr. Lee. Dr. Lee is more experienced but I couldn't afford him. If I had the money I would have chosen Dr. Lee for tibias.

Even Jolien is setting alerts between lines

 It's just funny how we northern europeans are arrogant towards eastern and southern countries although there are doctors like Betz or Guichet in the north.

[TemakiSushi]

I read You mentioned about those flat feet and pain after putting the walking video
How about pronation?
If flat feet and pronation are causing pain, this is serious
Not like natural flat footers like Ichiro, the ex baseball player
Natural flat foot doesn’t produce pain suddenly

[TemakiSushi]

Zakika needed to have extra surgery to fix BF
This mean in Athens under Giotikas they don’t really give good PT nor instructions to prevent severe contractures

[TemakiSushi]

I heard Dr Kohne is an expert of ankles
He maybe able to help you

[Great321]

I read You mentioned about those flat feet and pain after putting the walking video
How about pronation?
If flat feet and pronation are causing pain, this is serious
Not like natural flat footers like Ichiro, the ex baseball player
Natural flat foot doesn’t produce pain suddenly

I had commented this:

 In the past before LL I needed certain insoles for my feet so maybe it's a similar case.

 I have googled the word pronation deformity and it seems like pronation deformity is the same as flat feet.

When the arch of the foot collapses excessively downward or inward, this is known as overpronation. Sometimes, people call this condition flat feet.

(https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320383.php)

My local orthopedist had explained to me that with the splayfoot/flat feet that I have, the inner part of the feet bear the weight of the body which is not good as the bones of the feet are the strongest on the outside and the weakes on the inner sides. This causes pain of course but can be treated with shoe insoles.

Zakika needed to have extra surgery to fix BF
This mean in Athens under Giotikas they don’t really give good PT nor instructions to prevent severe contractures

He did need extra surgery, but not for BF. I don't know where you got that from. I won't comment further on his case though since I don't like talking about other people's private matter.

I heard Dr Kohne is an expert of ankles
He maybe able to help you

Thanks, I appreciate it but I don't have any problems with my ankles luckily.

[TemakiSushi]

Pronation deformity is not the same as flat feet
Pronation is a condition of ankles and foot rotation outward
This can be caused by misalignment of tibia and fibulas

Zakika wrote about extra surgery of extension of sole muscle flexsor
This is done for equinus contractures BF
I cannot think of any other reason to do this surgery after LL

Here he talks about extra surgery:
yes, I had to stretch my flexors (soles, gastrocnemius etc.), but I didn't need ATL.

[TemakiSushi]

Also someone here mentioned that Giotikas is suggesting a screw inserted through the heel, fixing the foot position to prevent ballerina foot
This sounds quite ridiculous producing more risks
While BF is manageable by daily stretch trainings

There are just too many points which put alerts on the skill of Giotikas

[Great321]

Pronation deformity is not the same as flat feet
Pronation is a condition of ankles and foot rotation outward
This can be caused by misalignment of tibia and fibulas

Zakika wrote about extra surgery of extension of foot muscle flexsor
This is done for equinus contractures BF
I cannot think of any other reason to do this surgery after LL

no idea. My local orthopedist didn't say anything about that. I can ask him in february about it. He saw my X-rays and didn't comment anything about misalignment either.

Quote from: zakika on January 29, 2019, 08:35:05 AM

All is fine currently, yes, I had to stretch my flexors (soles, gastrocnemius etc.), but I didn't need ATL. I don't know the date of my stryde surgery yet, because after the corrective surgery I have to work on my left ankle a lot (quite stiff), and I think it will take a lot of time in terms of flexibility. I'll do my X-ray soon, and Giotikas will let me know how far I'm from frame removal.

I think he meant that he stretched his flexors by himself, so he didn't need ATL. The corrective surgery was about something else. I mean he writes " I had to strech my..." so it seems pretty clear to me who stretched his flexors.


I would highly suggest anyone to just ask your questions to the doctor personally or actual patients and don't just assume things based on statements on this forum.

[TemakiSushi]

Gastrocnemius release is also for contractures
It’s more natural to assume he is talking about extra surgeries

Anyways it’s quite clear that Giotikas is a type of doctor who likes to have extra surgeries including putting screws into heels to prevent BF instead of giving proper PT and rehabilitation programs

[KiloKAHN]

Also someone here mentioned that Giotikas is suggesting a screw inserted through the heel, fixing the foot position to prevent ballerina foot
This sounds quite ridiculous producing more risks
While BF is manageable by daily stretch trainings

There are just too many points which put alerts on the skill of Giotikas

This is a technique probably learned from Dr Paley:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.lifebridgehealth.org/uploads/public/Documents/RIAO/ICLL/ICLL%2520Posters/ISKD_AnkleScrew.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwizsLf-5JHmAhUBqp4KHby0D_AQFjABegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3QI8pBCwdpPYv3Rs3vocnP&cshid=1575112066598

[TemakiSushi]

Zakika wrote:
yes, I had to stretch my flexors (soles, gastrocnemius etc.), but I didn't need ATL. I don't know the date of my stryde surgery yet, because after the corrective surgery I have to work on my left ankle a lot (quite stiff)

If the corrective surgery he is talking about is not sole flexors and gastrocnemius flexors,
This worries me even worse
He needed some extra surgery for other problems than contractures? 

[Great321]

Gastrocnemius release is also for contractures
It’s more natural to assume he is talking about extra surgeries

You might be right. I won't comment on his case further though.

[Great321]

If the corrective surgery he is talking about is not sole flexors and gastrocnemius flexors,
This worries me even worse
He needed some extra surgery for other problems than contractures? 

News

It seems I have to have a minor surgery, because my fibula started to consolidate prematurely, and pulls away from the ankle, so on he 17th they will have to make a new incision, and Dr Giotikas will replace one of my pins that irritates my skin at the pros tibia level. I'm not happy to hear to undergo another operation, even if it is a minor one.

Another new is, an info from Giotikas, that Stryde will be available most likely already in December this year (as he said, the representative of nuvasive will visit Athens in Sept.).

[TemakiSushi]

i see thanks
Giotikas  doesn’t put thick screws to hold back fibula
This can cause misalignment
He did the same to Great321
He didn’t learn the lessons from Zakika case I guess
He doesn’t have ideas maybe

So extra surgeries were done for sole muscle flexor, gastrocnemius, and to cut fibulas

[sprit33]

Do you think it is safe to do femur precice with Dr.G, sir?