Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[Bigdawg]

I plead you all to critically think when looking at studies of average height online, for example I was shocked when this study claimed the average height for Germans in Hamburg is 183 cm which is taller than the average dutch. But reading the methodolgy closely you can see that it's a very innacurate study because they used survey's to ask men their height most men nowadays lie or dont know their height and add 2 inches to their height

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.n-tv.de/panorama/Hamburger-sind-die-groessten-article274882.html

Article is in german but you can translate it


I've seen other studies like the dinaric alps study that actually added over 2 cm to their average for their "estimations" making men 185cm which is another false number

Likewise  any dutch study you see claiming 6'1 as average was calculated using surveys

[GrowTow]

People need to see this.. especially the people on this website such as @canon

I may be 5'6 but all my friends are 5'10+ whenever we go around Europe to travel, everyone hears that European countries are tall (the stereotype of white males being tall) but it's just exaggerated massively. Here in the UK the average height is 5'9. In poor areas or ethnic areas it's 5'8. Only in the North would I say the average is 6'1.

We've been to the Netherlands (apparently the tallest country in the world) yet noone was significantly taller than people from the UK. I'd say they were 2 inches taller so 5'11. My shortest friend is 5'10 and tallest is 6'4. There were literally only about 5 people taller than 6'4 and only half the population was as tall or taller than my 5'10 friend. So, the study that says the Netherlands is the tallest country is the world might be true but the average height DEFINITELY isn't 6'2. It's probably 5'11-6'0. Again though this is in Amsterdam, I'm guessing in Northern Netherlands they're 6'2+ average. If you go USA you will go to LA or New York, LA average height is 5'8 because a lot of short South Americans and other short immigrants. White people are a minority in LA. If you go New York..again mostly Italian and other Eastern Europe backgrounds, Eastern Europe people are shorter than Western, average height in NY is probably 5'10. If you go Canada Toronto, a lot of Indians, other Asians and Africans.. average height 5'10.

IN SHORT - Wherever you go in the world, chances are, you will only visit the Capital city, this mean there will be a lot of tourists and on average Capital cities are shorter than Northern cities. So what i'm saying is don't listen to people on this forum who say you need to be 6ft+ to be considered average. Average height in London is 5'9. This is where you will go, No one will ever go to North England where average height is 6ft. If you go Netherlands, you will go Amsterdam where average height is 5'11 not 6ft+ like North Netherlands. The only countries in the world where the tallest average people live in the tourist cities are China and Japan because health is best in Beijing and Tokyo so the locals are taller. Whereas in Europe you will only find 6ft+ average people if you go to the right area.

[Apoplectic]

Yeah these kind of studies are why you see guys that are 5ft 9+ moaning about their height-the studies have convinced them they're below average in stature or are extremely short.

[Bigdawg]

Usually good reliable studies on height have a good sample size aka they include a lot of people that represents the country. I think the netherlands study that shows a 182 cm average did measure people from north and south. Also I dont understand why you think just rural people or northerners are taller sometimes its the opposite since richer people live in cities and have better nutrition

That being said in small socialist countires like netherlands or UK if we are talking about the same ethnicity of a person there should hardly be difference in height between locations in the country

[Bigdawg]

Check this out if you click on the citation number on dinaric alps average height's source it tells you they added more than 1 cm to the final height , this is very unscientific

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_human_height_worldwide

[GrowTow]

Usually good reliable studies on height have a good sample size aka they include a lot of people that represents the country. I think the netherlands study that shows a 182 cm average did measure people from north and south. Also I dont understand why you think just rural people or northerners are taller sometimes its the opposite since richer people live in cities and have better nutrition

That being said in small socialist countires like netherlands or UK if we are talking about the same ethnicity of a person there should hardly be difference in height between locations in the country

My point was that all Capital cities are multicultural so the average height balances out compares to rural cities and northern cities. In North England where 99% of people are white, the average height will be be 5'11-6'1 but who will ever go to North England? Nobody. They will go to London where White is 45%, Black 12%, South Asian 12% so the average height is 5'9 if even that + 800 000 tourists. Same with Netherlands, no one is going to Eindhoven where it's 100% white 6'1+ average. Everyone goes to Amsterdam which is 50% Dutch 50% foreign so a lot shorter than other cities in Netherlands. In Germany, you will go to Berlin, Munich where there is a massive Turkish Muslim population as well as other foreigners so the height is shorter than Kiel where it is 100% German 5'11+. Do you see my point? Or even Asian countries, you will go Mumbai, Noone goes to Punjab, Sikhs are very tall 5'10+ but the area they live in is tiny compared to the rest of India where average height is 5'5.

[Bigdawg]

I do see your point, bruv but like I said usually good studies do indeed seperate based on ethnicity or background. In fact I remember seeing a study saying that both of your parents needed to be born in netherlands to participate in study. But Im sure it can be possible that non ethnic dutch can have also have non ethnic dutch parents

Also would you happen to have any height studies from england? From different regions? i would like to see them so i can dissect them and see if I find anything biased or subjective

[Apoplectic]

I'm from a region of England that is 97% white with a population of 160K .At 5ft 5 I can say that I'm taller than most women(just about lol) and the average height of men is around 5ft 9 to 5ft 10 so I think the height studies are legit.

To be honest I've never noticed much height difference among second generation ethnics in the UK .Their variation in height and average height seem pretty simlair.
Unfortunately anecdote doesn't trump statistics here ,but I've been unable to find any data that breaks height down by race.

Edit:Average height for women in the UK lies in the 5ft 3-5ft 4 range
The average height of men lies in the 5ft 9-5ft 10 range .
I've lived all around England and this seems fairly accurate to me, even among University students.

[Bigdawg]

I believe those statistics as well also dont fall for that meme that younger generation is a lot taller it's bull  1 generation height difference is so slight you cant even tell it  apart assuming there even is a difference. Just considering it takes half a century for men to increase by 1-2 inches tells you the same thing.

Also how much height are going to lengthen, O'l chap?

[Apoplectic]

Indeed even then there's mounting evidence that height has pretty much plateaued in the west.

How much am I planning to lengthen? I'll probably lengthen 5.5cm bringing me to around 5ft 8 throughout most of the day.

If my height neurosis persists after that I'll save up for STRYDE but I'm confident I'll only need to lengthen tibias.

[otavio]

The best height to at is 6'3. I will reach this height next year after my LL, I am 182 guy and I feel myself too short even though I am taller than average. LL is a cosmetic surgery, does not matter if you are 5" foot tall or 6", it is a cosmetic surgery in both cases

[sylar94]

The best height to at is 6'3. I will reach this height next year after my LL, I am 182 guy and I feel myself too short even though I am taller than average. LL is a cosmetic surgery, does not matter if you are 5" foot tall or 6", it is a cosmetic surgery in both cases

in fact the best height is 182/183 with women
with men the best height is 6'2
only a few women want 6'2 men, and you can reach that height with small lifts and hairstyle, and even lying
but many women want a man that is tall, but not that tall.
if you are in a country in which all women are 160 cm, there may be many women who will reject you for being too tall; and yes, you cant get shorter, but you can get taller with lifts and hairstyle

[Bigdawg]

Otavio, I have nothing against tall men wanting to be taller, I just want you to know that if you are getting height neurosis from reading  ty studies then that's one source you can cut off from your life and simply not have heigh neurosis anymore.

Also may I ask how you came up with "6'3" as "the best" height?

[Bigdawg]

"there may be many women who will reject you for being too tall"

That's definitley true, just check out /r/tall subreddit and you will see countless guys over 6'1 admitting to having been rejected because of their height

Sure it doesnt happen as often as short guys but it still common

[Bigdawg]

@Apoplectic 5'8 is definitley a solid heught lad, im suee you will be happy with it, because you will feel like you will tower over most women at that height and whats the max you would lenghten if you do a second surgery?

[Apoplectic]

I think if I ever got a second surgery I'd lengthen an additional 5cm after the first.

I'm naturally a skinny guy with broad shoulders for my height (about 19 inchs across), so I think too much added height would ruin my proportions. 

If I'm not happy at 5ft 8 I know for sure I'll be happy at 5ft 10 since that would be on the upper end of average .

[Bigdawg]

I see thanks for sharing, mate

[sylar94]

I think if I ever got a second surgery I'd lengthen an additional 5cm after the first.

I'm naturally a skinny guy with broad shoulders for my height (about 19 inchs across), so I think too much added height would ruin my proportions. 

If I'm not happy at 5ft 8 I know for sure I'll be happy at 5ft 10 since that would be on the upper end of average .

agree with this
i think shoulders length is the most important thing to consider when doing LL, and not torso length as most people think

[short]

Awesome, so i am fked either way...

[Bigdawg]

"agree with this
i think shoulders length is the most important"

But cant you just make your shoulders bigger and upper body wider by lifting weights?

[sylar94]

"agree with this
i think shoulders length is the most important"

But cant you just make your shoulders bigger and upper body wider by lifting weights?

you can, but you dont have much control of this. everybody is different, and you cannot predict the maximum amount of length that you can achieve in shoulders by lifting
also you will burden yourself with lifting for the rest of your life

[short]

limited - depending on your collar bone
however i am not sure!

[Apoplectic]

Don't worry if you're narrow shouldered  or average shouldered guys.I personally think it's a combination of torso , shoulder width and arm length.
Broad shouldered guys can get away with lengthening more in the same way as guys with long torsos.

Anyway after one surgery none of this  matters too much ,even if you go for three inches.

However if you go for a second surgery this stuff will certainly come into play and your proportions will be something you'll need to consider.

Edit: And yes you don't want to become a slave to the gym and bulking to look proportionate. Since I'm a naturally skinny guy I'm simply aiming to be toned since it'll be easy to maintain.
 

[IwannaBeTaller]

Very important thread. These news articles are often based on shi*ty data and unreliable "studies", the articles are made to generate as much clicks and reads as possible, that's how they turn out to be sensationalist and exaggerated like "Young Dalmatians are now 188 cm on average". Journalism is in a big economic crisis world-wide as online media and the internet wipe out the foundation of print journalism. Journalists who try to make it in the field, sadly, often resort to try to get as much fame and success in numbers as possible, instead of placing value in reporting the truth.

@GrowTow: Overall great posts, I'm a little bit suspicious to the average height in the north of the UK being 6'1'', are the Scottish really that tall? Only the Dutch reach that average, and Dutch and Scandinavians would be the tallest "white people" from what I've seen. Wasn't Scotland a rather poor region historically?

I also see no reason that cities would be taller than rural areas in Western countries, and haven't seen any reliable evidence that this could be true. Places like Tokyo shouldn't have better health care than the rest of Japan.

[Bigdawg]

Thank you and I agree very unreliable journalism is going on here. I also think it's suspicious that 6'1 would be average in north england. ive visited north cumbria and the average still seemed 5'9 -10. Another thing to keep in mind is that shorter people often find it hard to tell heights of people substantially taller than them so our English friend in this thread could be confusing some 180 cm blokes with being 185 cm.

[YungGud]

I can only add that not everything is so simple, for example average height in Russia by study conducted in 2013, is exactly 178 cm (when we include all man), I myself was there for a long time, and I myself 178-179, so I'm sure that those  studies are legit, and if we only count young males(16-25 y. o.) then this number will change to 181-182

[Bigdawg]

If a study uses a stupid biased  survey to gather information on male height then it isnt a legit study.

Many studies have shown that men over-estimate their height by over 1 inch or 2.54 cm

Also if a study purposely adds centimeters to the final average height in order to "estimate final height" then it isnt a legit study

Also could you post a link to the russian study you are talking about?

[Knik]

Actually the Wikipedia page about average height in the world is very good.
For exemple German average is something between 5-9 and 5-10. So far from the stereotype of tall blonde people of 6'3
And yes, I confirm, european average (developed countries in general so I include Korea and Japan) are exagerated
But it's not the case of my country, french official average is 174,5 (and a few cm more if you include only young people, of course) and it's totally accurate with what I see. And don't forget that my country is multiracial with north african people but also tall and short african ethnicities (I see both, but where I live African are the shortest -Comorian, Ivorian and Congolese- but I know that Senegalese for instance are among the tallest in Africa).


When I talk to strangers from northern Europe or Eastern Europe, they always tell me that French are shorties and tanned people (while I'm very white for instance). It just irritate me a lot when their country is just one inch taller in average than us at very best. Sometimes not even.

The study about dinaric average has been made in ONE VILLAGE only


Look. The Dutch average on the Wikipedia page is only 181 cm and SELF-REPORTED (so usually inflated by one or two cm like the UK average). We are far from the stereotype of very tall Dutch . So, where come from the idea that all Dutch are like 6'5 ? I just suspect people to voluntary exagerate

It's like, when I claim that Flemish average is about 5-9/10 people look at me like if I was crazy telling me that it is 6ft at least

A list of non-european people who can rivalize in average with them : South Sudanese, Senegalese, North Indian (Punjabi, kashmiri), Polynesian, Rwandese Tutsi, Chadian, and probably more I don't know etc

[Bigdawg]

@knik , thanks for replying, I also wanted to say I never claimed wikipidea doesnt have accurate studies but I claimed usually when seeing a study on above average countries, you can definitley see bad methodology of the study leading to fake numbers like 6'1 for dutch and montenegro. Which leads to people having worse height neurosis

[Knik]

@knik , thanks for replying, I also wanted to say I never claimed wikipidea doesnt have accurate studies but I claimed usually when seeing a study on above average countries, you can definitley see bad methodology of the study leading to fake numbers like 6'1 for dutch and montenegro. Which leads to people having worse height neurosis

Of course, but let's see honest most people lie
each time I go to a chat group for instance, their is that moment people exchange their height, and each time the average height of the group is over 5-11 and sometimes like 6-1
of course internet let you the possibility to lie easily, but I'm sure some people lie that much even in the real life
sometimes it may just be by comparing themselves to other people or celebrities they see at TV and self-estimating

[myloginacc]

Height dysphoria completely ends at 5'9.5~.7 (176cm~177cm) for me, and you can learn how to live a happy life at 5'7 (170cm) if you stop visiting and reading these forums, and work towards building your life in all aspects.