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tallmf

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nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« on: June 15, 2019, 07:16:04 AM »

Hey, guys, I have run into some trouble.

I have very very delayed union (almost none union). I'm thinking of undoing/reversing the surgery

I removed my frame on the 23rd of March. It is almost 3 months, still, my callus is not forming. Please see the attached link.
https://imgur.com/undefined

my left leg, there is a bone bridge however it was there even before the removal of the frame.

does anyone here or does anybody know anyone who did the reversal? what are the risk and complications?

What about bone grafting to stimulate growth, is it worth it? I do not want to be bedridden or in wheelchair long time. also, my family do not know about this surgery, so I have to be in my country by the end of this year.

I have made my mind. all I want is get up and walk, I wouldn't worry about the money, efforts spent during the last 6 months. So I would rather undo the surgery completely, please drop your advice.
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tallmf

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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2019, 07:29:14 AM »

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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2019, 08:11:17 AM »

Consult another doctor. Hopefully there are solutions not requiring shortening.
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tallmf

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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2019, 08:37:30 AM »

yea my doctor doesn't want me to shorten, it's my decision. he says bone will come

I don't want to be cripple for years and tall
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2019, 08:44:26 AM »

I understand, but there may be other solutions like grafting. Please consult another doctor before doing anything hasty. Don't decide by yourself.
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2019, 09:07:23 AM »

Ask other doctors for an advice first.
Write them an email with your latest X-ray, explain your path so far. You will get responses like the other user here whose bones were misaligned after surgery. He also wrote to other doctors. And now he has a few more options.
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tallmf

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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2019, 12:22:02 PM »

yes my doctor gave an option, they are willing to perform bone grafting, they will take the bone from my hip.

however, I don't know how long it will take to unite.
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2019, 04:02:29 PM »

hi ،how old r u ,how much u lengthend and Who is ur doctor?
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2019, 04:05:31 PM »

I'm sorry to hear ... about your problems.... can you kindly tell us ...who did your surgery and where was it done ... also have you spoken to your doctor about this and what did he say?
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2019, 05:36:15 PM »

Jesus man, I am actually heartbroken. I try to tell people that the recovery for this surgery is painstakingly difficult. I know how you're feeling, but I can't see a reversal being anything but a bad decision.

I would immediately get onto doing electro-therapy and really start walking and hitting the pavement. I don't know what you've been doing to recover, but try everything. Get an Exogen 4000+ and on whatever painkillers you can to get walking. Bone growth and recovery doesn't happen unless you have inflammation. You only get inflammation from walking and exercising. Get the fck up and start moving.
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External Tib Ilizarov, Azerbaijan: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9418.0
Drugs, preparation, training: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1V2bNA_OsVwqR5Qp6fAWH7VFN6DaZPJ8YroUELsIy28k/edit

1 year post can run slowly, walking/gym everyday. Issues are zero, ankle tight waking up.

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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2019, 06:46:56 PM »

You already have some consolidation in fibula, shortening at this stage could be very painful, complicated, and it is unnecessary in your case. Try stem cell grafting first. It is shown to work with 5 cm gap. You also need to walk everyday. Your lack of consolidation is likely due to diet and not walking enough.
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2019, 06:55:47 PM »

it will consolidate. give it time
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2019, 07:26:24 PM »

Jesus man, I am actually heartbroken. I try to tell people that the recovery for this surgery is painstakingly difficult. I know how you're feeling, but I can't see a reversal being anything but a bad decision.

I would immediately get onto doing electro-therapy and really start walking and hitting the pavement. I don't know what you've been doing to recover, but try everything. Get an Exogen 4000+ and on whatever painkillers you can to get walking. Bone growth and recovery doesn't happen unless you have inflammation. You only get inflammation from walking and exercising. Get the fk up and start moving.

https://hyperbaricoxygentherapy.co.uk/applications/sports/bone-growth-fractures/
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2019, 08:47:21 PM »

dont doctors tell their patients to stop lengthening if no callus has formed, and continue lengthening after some callus has formed?
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2019, 09:15:02 PM »

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External Tib Ilizarov, Azerbaijan: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9418.0
Drugs, preparation, training: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1V2bNA_OsVwqR5Qp6fAWH7VFN6DaZPJ8YroUELsIy28k/edit

1 year post can run slowly, walking/gym everyday. Issues are zero, ankle tight waking up.

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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2019, 09:15:55 PM »

Tallmf,
How old are you?
Who is your doctor?
What method is it?
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2019, 09:21:18 PM »

I don't get why you're quoting me... I don't have any interest in a hyperbaric chamber.

I was quoting in reference to your .. message.. that oxygen does help in certain cases of nonunion
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2019, 11:56:04 PM »

I’m sorry to hear this man.

I definitely advise emailing/calling several other doctors.

May I ask what nationality and age you are, please?

I wish you the best. Stay strong.
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2019, 09:48:59 AM »

I’m sorry to hear this man.

I definitely advise emailing/calling several other doctors.

May I ask what nationality and age you are, please?

I wish you the best. Stay strong.

You can see his previous posts
Sarin he chose

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9672.msg100940#msg100940
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2019, 10:45:20 AM »

Thanks for the link. I’ve read through it but think I can’t seem to find the nationality.

It’s okay.. if anyone knows tho just drop it here if you don’t mind.

Cheers

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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2019, 11:35:12 AM »

Thanks for the link. I’ve read through it but think I can’t seem to find the nationality.

It’s okay.. if anyone knows tho just drop it here if you don’t mind.

Cheers

Would the nationality.... really make a difference to you? 
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2019, 09:03:33 PM »

Would the nationality.... really make a difference to you?

Sorry, I meant Ethnicity.

That would do because I’ve read things like East Asian and maybe South Asians are more prone to these sort of complications. I’m Indian so just wanted to know. Again sorry not nationality, but ethnicity.
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2019, 09:06:47 PM »

Really.... so Indian people are more prone to complications?
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2019, 11:27:56 PM »

Really.... so Indian people are more prone to complications?

Maybe this particular one. I don’t know anything about any other complications.

Indian people may be quite similar to East Asian people. So yeah just doing my research as we do
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2019, 09:12:16 AM »

yes my doctor gave an option, they are willing to perform bone grafting, they will take the bone from my hip.

however, I don't know how long it will take to unite.

Get away from Dr. Sarin if you dont want to be crippled or potentially die.
dude is a butcher of a surgeon. I have warned many people on this site before yet they dont listen. They let height dysphoria cloud their judgement and do 0 research. Im pretty sure thats what you did: 0 research. Not trying to sound harsh, but this is your life and your damn legs. You should of tried to save up for the best surgeon possible in India: Dr. Mangal Parihar instead of jeapordizing your health by going to a butcher.
Get away from Dr. Sarin as soon as possible and treat your complications with Dr. Parihar. Its not too late yet.
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2019, 04:41:28 PM »

Get away from Dr. Sarin if you dont want to be crippled or potentially die.
dude is a butcher of a surgeon. I have warned many people on this site before yet they dont listen. They let height dysphoria cloud their judgement and do 0 research. Im pretty sure thats what you did: 0 research. Not trying to sound harsh, but this is your life and your damn legs. You should of tried to save up for the best surgeon possible in India: Dr. Mangal Parihar instead of jeapordizing your health by going to a butcher.
Get away from Dr. Sarin as soon as possible and treat your complications with Dr. Parihar. Its not too late yet.
Completely agree friend, why don’t you check the facts first. You should have gone through the previous post at least. Never too late change your doctor before landing up to any other complication .
Why did you choose Dr sarin on first place. Now no one want to go there. People should know about him.
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2019, 03:53:54 PM »

Get away from Dr. Sarin if you dont want to be crippled or potentially die.
dude is a butcher of a surgeon. I have warned many people on this site before yet they dont listen. They let height dysphoria cloud their judgement and do 0 research. Im pretty sure thats what you did: 0 research. Not trying to sound harsh, but this is your life and your damn legs. You should of tried to save up for the best surgeon possible in India: Dr. Mangal Parihar instead of jeapordizing your health by going to a butcher.
Get away from Dr. Sarin as soon as possible and treat your complications with Dr. Parihar. Its not too late yet.
It's funny because actually, Sarin has more successful cases on this forum than Pairhar or Giotikas. It looks like you did 0 research.
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« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2019, 05:15:40 PM »

It's funny because actually, Sarin has more successful cases on this forum than Pairhar or Giotikas. It looks like you did 0 research.


But are they genuine... ?

Panda  8)
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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2019, 05:30:52 PM »


But are they genuine... ?

Panda  8)
I don't have any reason to not believe them. Do you have?

I'm more suspicious about Jolien diary with Giotikas. 
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« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2019, 04:15:26 PM »

I don't have any reason to not believe them. Do you have?

I'm more suspicious about Jolien diary with Giotikas.

you have 13 posts and literally every one of them you are promoting Dr. Sarin after so many butchered cases. lol.
I've been here long enough to know who and what is real and who and what is fake.

You are suspicious about Jolien's diary with Giotikas when she literally has videos of her walking with external fixator and with the nail in post lengthening?
lmfao
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top 5 LL surgeons: Paley, Rozbruch, Mahboubian,  Donghoon Lee, Giotikas

- planning to have LON tibias with dr donghoon lee in summer 2021

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Re: nonunion- and considering undoing the surgery
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2019, 04:26:08 PM »

you have 13 posts and literally every one of them you are promoting Dr. Sarin after so many butchered cases. lol.
I've been here long enough to know who and what is real and who and what is fake.

You are suspicious about Jolien's diary with Giotikas when she literally has videos of her walking with external fixator and with the nail in post lengthening?
lmfao


Sarin has a lot more cases, than Giotikas, however a lot of complications as well (by complication I mean even delayed healing, or slower, than expected consolidation). I think Sarin wouldn't be a safe decision either, however Giotikas has also few successful cases, maybe zakika is one of his patients, who consolidated really well. I would be curious how he is doing now..The other too doesn't seem to me to heal well (of course besides genetics), plus this fraud looking girl seems to undermine his reputation deeply.
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