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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2014, 05:34:33 AM »

Now it's just too much.
Terrible. He is also becoming greedy.
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173cm before LL with Sarin, jan -13. Now 180cm tall. Considering 5cm on femurs.

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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2014, 07:33:33 AM »

Now it's just too much.
Terrible. He is also becoming greedy.

IKR!!

I was so happy when I saw his old price and methods on this forum and I thought that he's definitely gonna be first on my list...
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2014, 11:51:03 AM »

The small Rising of the price is not that much.

The totall cost for internal femurs is 31.500 euro. This includes op, hospital stay, Daily pt, massages, all medication, x-rays AND removing of the Nail 1.5-2 years later. 1000 euro of the mentioned 31.500 is to be payed at the time of Nail removal, so you don't need to have it at the start.
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2014, 12:11:56 PM »

The old price was 39.000$ for tibias or femurs = 28.590€

New price femurs: 31.500€ --> increase of 2910€ (more than 10%)
New price tibias:   33.500€ --> increase of 4910€  (almost 20%)

Those are huge price increases (much more than any inflation), especially for tibias. Probably the price will even increase more in the next years, so I might have to settle for externals in my tibias  :(
Also that additional cost/cm is kind of new. It wasn't there yet when I did my LL with Jamal last year. Theoretically I could have even done 12cm without paying extra (except for accomodation of course).
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Did internal femurs with Dr. Jamal in 2013 and went from 1,65 to 1,72.

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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2014, 12:20:41 PM »

Well, it is an increase for sure. What I mean is that it's still a reasonable price if you compare it with other internal options.
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2014, 01:34:12 PM »

And how is the polital and social situation in Kiev by now?
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2014, 04:38:28 AM »

Hello all,

I have been trying to contact Jamal through the address bonex@ukrpack.net but my messages have consistently failed to send and have been returned to my inbox. Have you had success reaching Jamal at this address? If anyone has alternate contact information, it would be greatly appreciated.

Best,
Michael
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2014, 09:32:28 AM »

he replies to me. address looks good
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2014, 08:07:23 PM »

looks like ukraine is headed for civil war......  not sure this is a good option anymore
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2014, 10:34:44 PM »

Hi folks. I am seriously thinking about Dr Jamal and guichet but with Dr  jamal mainly due to weight bearing and jamal titanium rods. I see Emanuel has not recovered and had a number of complications during lengthening requiring more surgery. Eg premature consolidation. Now I see another patient has spent  almost two months post surgery with almost no  distraction, now the clicker has come out and again needs another surgery and this is only  start of process. Dr Jamal sounds caring but I worry with all these complications I hear about. Is this problem with nail, Dr, individual Looking for opinions before I decide surgery in few months.
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2014, 10:56:59 PM »

Dr. Jamal seems like a very caring doctor but I would not choose him under the current circumstances of his patients' diaries.  If you can afford a doctor like Guichet, you should go with him.
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2014, 01:42:13 AM »

Being a caring doctor is definitely a plus, but should not be the top reason why you're choosing one.

He must deliver the best results too.

Hi folks. I am seriously thinking about Dr Jamal and guichet but with Dr  jamal mainly due to weight bearing and jamal titanium rods. I see Emanuel has not recovered and had a number of complications during lengthening requiring more surgery. Eg premature consolidation. Now I see another patient has spent  almost two months post surgery with almost no  distraction, now the clicker has come out and again needs another surgery and this is only  start of process. Dr Jamal sounds caring but I worry with all these complications I hear about. Is this problem with nail, Dr, individual Looking for opinions before I decide surgery in few months.
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2014, 08:14:32 PM »

I can afford Guichet but the problem is the lack of reply. His assistant takes two weeks to reply to simple questions. I have written personal email to him with no reply for 3 weeks. Based on the last reply from his assistant, he is not prepared to do consult then surgery in one period. He expects me to travel to Italy for 30 hours, have two hour consult and then fly back 30 hours. This is crazy.  I would much prefer I go for consult, he says "look you will only be able to lengthen 3cm based on your physiology and lack of flexibility. I can book you in two weeks for surgery". This would be better option for me.  But he simply flat out refuses through this approach through his assistant. I do not know if she even discusses with him or screens emails and replies herself.  So of course I want surgery soon and I'm not waiting or waisting time and money to fly for a 2 hour consult. I am ready right now financially, I am ready from an Isokinetic results perspective, I am ready mentally and I am ready with work. The timing is perfect. I am physically extremely fit and healthy. If my flexibility is not great then this is my problem and will limit how much I can lengthen.  There is of course the option to do intense physio during lengthening but as I said I can't even get through. If someone knows and can help in getting in touch with him to make things happen then I would greatly appreciate it. I have a very small window due to work and personal committments to make things happen
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2014, 11:20:08 PM »

I think the best option for you would be Dr.Betz.
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #45 on: April 11, 2014, 10:48:44 AM »

"The total cost of the lengthening program since May 2013 takes into account a stay of a patient in the Ukraine for three months. 90-100 days - this is the time period for conducting a surgery and lengthening of femurs or tibias to the optimum length."

Hi,
    I'm not sure if I read this incorrectly, but wouldn't the above statement suggest that the package price includes accommodations or "a stay" in the Ukraine for three months or "90 - 100 days"?
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #46 on: April 11, 2014, 07:30:09 PM »

It certainly seems to suggest that, although later in the post he says you have to rent an apartment.  I think it's worth asking him for clarification on that.
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2014, 01:11:57 PM »

"The total cost of the lengthening program since May 2013 takes into account a stay of a patient in the Ukraine for three months. 90-100 days - this is the time period for conducting a surgery and lengthening of femurs or tibias to the optimum length."

Hi,
    I'm not sure if I read this incorrectly, but wouldn't the above statement suggest that the package price includes accommodations or "a stay" in the Ukraine for three months or "90 - 100 days"?


you have to rent an apartment and the package price is not cover that
here is a least details version of his cost..



The total cost of the lengthening program since 2014 takes into account a stay of a patient in the Ukraine for three months. 90-100 days - this is the time period for conducting a surgery and lengthening of femurs or tibias to the optimum length. The optimum length refers to the lengthening when muscles, tendons, and nerves are adapted sufficiently well to the new state of tension. It is 7.0 cm for femurs and 4.5-5.0 cm for tibias. The total cost of the lengthening program (TCLP) is 31 500,00 EUR ( for femurs /hips/)  and 33 500 EUR (for  tibias /shanks/).  (Lengthening more than the optimum length increases the time period of lengthening and restoration.  In this case it is necessary to adjust additional costs of the program of lengthening.)
This cost includes the cost of surgeries and a stay of a patient  in hospital for the necessary term (as a rule 2-3 days), and also the cost of a surgery and a stay in hospital for the removal of devices (in 1 - 1.5 years after the beginning of lengthening).
 The cost of  the lease of apartments during the stay for the period of the lengthening is not includes in TCLP. Assistant can help to lease suitable apartment. /Cost of comfortable apartments is around  1000 EUR per month. Additional costs may be associated with a broker service for searching for an apartment - usually half the monthly cost, single payment/. Choice is better to do together among prepared options. It will take 1-2 days, as a rule.
Assistant on duty can be present in the apartments around the clock, if it is necessary.
         The first day (of the three months period) begins with the first day in the hospital. 
          During the period of stay out of the hospital, a patient receives medical services, the cost of which is  included in the TCLP.   Medical services consist of the doctor's visits, the necessary physiotherapy, massages (total 60 sessions  of intensive lower limbs massage), the necessary medicines, test x-rays. During the three months stay a patient is provided with meals based on the agreed upon menu (preference in the food). The cost of food (products) is not included in the TCLP. Assistants can assist in purchase of products. Patient can visit supermarkets together with assistant  for choice and purchase of products. Maintenance (household) services consist of laundry, cleaning, cooking. The cost of Assistant’s service /maintenance services/ (daily  25 -30 EUR)  is not included in the TCLP.
            The  international   telephone    calls    and    high-speed   internet   access  are not included in the TCLP. TCLP does not change if the patient leaves Ukraine before the end of a three months term.  TCLP remains to be invariable for all sizes of lengthening within the optimum lengths. Patient can lease an apartment and organize the necessary maintenance services by him/herself.
            Payments are made in instalments by transfer of funds from the customer's bank’s account to the bank’s account in accordance with the instructions. Payments can be made in another currency based on the current rate of exchange. (All bank charges are born by the sender/customer). Payments can be made in parts as agreed.
           When the date of arrival and the date of operation is confirmed and agreed upon the prepayment in the amount of 4 000,00 EUR must be made. This guarantee sum will not be refunded and will not be counted towards further payments if a patient cancels or changes the assigned date of arrival.  This requirement is based on the fact that the preparation at the beginning of the lengthening program is connected with the specific expenditures (production of devices, etc.).
           The sum 26 500,00 EUR (femurs) or 28 500,00 EUR (tibias)  must be paid for 1 week after implantation of devices . The remainder of the TCLP 1 000,00 EUR  is transferred in 1.5-2 years, 30 days prior to arrival for the removal of  the devices.
           The program of a stage-by-stage lengthening of hips (both femurs) and shanks (both tibias) during one stay in Ukraine takes up to 7,0 - 7.5 months.  The optimum size of lengthening during this term is 11.5-12cm (7cm for femurs and 4.5-5 cm for tibias). TCLP for such program is 65 000,00 EUR.   The advance payment (deposit) is 7 000,00 EUR.
   40 000,00 EUR  must be paid for 10 days after the implantation of devices in the first two legs segments.
   16 000,00 EUR must be paid for 10 days after the implantation in the second two legs segments.
   The rest of TCLP 2 000,00 EUR must be paid  for 30 days prior to the arrival for removal of all devices.





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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2014, 03:56:40 PM »

This has a much greater sense of clarity. Thank you for this.
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #49 on: April 29, 2014, 01:03:59 PM »

So does that mean a person can do both femurs and tibias one after the other in one visit with Dr Jamal?
Interesting
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #50 on: May 24, 2014, 02:09:40 PM »

I'm considering Dr Jamal, what do you guys think?
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #51 on: May 24, 2014, 02:18:20 PM »

I think Dr Jamal is a decent option if you can't afford Guichet/Betz/Paley, seem like he's a reasonable Doctor who doesn't do anything stupid. His patients results are yet to be determined though whether he's good or bad. 
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2014, 03:21:31 PM »

Im thinking in jamal too. If anyone is thinking in going with jamal send me a messaje
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« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2014, 03:31:39 PM »

Im thinking in jamal too. If anyone is thinking in going with jamal send me a messaje

When?
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2014, 03:51:41 PM »

Im in a simillar situation of dofllamingo tha have only 3 months to return to school. But im my case is to work. So im thinking in do 8 cm with jamal and length in home after 3 months or take a 2 years break in my job and do tibs and femurs with mitkovic 
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« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2014, 03:54:44 PM »

The problem is to walk. If i can walk without support after 6 months and do 8cm in femurs with jamal it would be great and i will do it in a few months . But i dont know if i will be able to walk in that time
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« Reply #56 on: May 25, 2014, 09:34:39 AM »

Has anyone actually been able to contact Dr Mitkovic though? From what I've read, he doesnt even reply back to emails anymore.
Add to that the fact that no one has been to him for quite some time now, atleast no one that comes on here anyway. Dr Mitkovic seems ideal, if anyone can actually contact him first
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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #57 on: May 29, 2014, 12:45:09 AM »

Hello

Does anyone know how much money in total I should have to pay for – 5 months -  bills, rent, food, plane tickets and any other expenses that anyone can think of with Dr. Jamal?



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Re: Dr Jamal Abu Nemer (Kiev, Ukraine) Medical centre BONAMED
« Reply #58 on: May 29, 2014, 07:15:30 AM »

For me, I have worked out that I need about $57,000AUD but will take an extra $5,000 in case of problems. That includes plane tickets at $1,500 each way, 3 months accommodation with maid service, food, internet, $500 to extend visa pass 3 months. I calculated this based on Oceans diary when he outlined his costs, so it could vary. So 5 months should be a little over $60,000 AUD for me.

Why do you plan on staying 5 months? I plan to stay for 4 at the very least, maybe 5 depending on how I go. When do you plan on going if I may ask?
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« Reply #59 on: May 29, 2014, 10:42:18 AM »

@ShortyMcShort

How about you? When do you plan to go? I'm in Australia at the moment but I'm originally from Eastern Europe.
I'm thinking to go first for a consultation when I'll visit my family.
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« Reply #60 on: May 29, 2014, 03:27:03 PM »

Im still undecided and still waiting for the outcomes of his current patients on how their recoveries are going, not really in a hurry atm to have the surgery. I currently have $50,000 so not quite there yet, will have enough by the end of the year surely but probably wont do it until this time next year maybe. Simply dont have time atm.

When do you plan on going for the consultation when you visit your family?
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« Reply #61 on: May 30, 2014, 09:28:05 AM »

I'm thinking to go around April/Easter...it's not a sure thing but let me know when you decide to go on pm.
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