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[Rocky]

Day 6 Update

I am getting less pain injections now. I feel that my muscles got a bit stiffer after reducing the amount of injections. But nothing really major. I still walk back and forth inside the apartment with a moderate speed.

Dr. Jamal came by today and changed the plasters. He also demonstrated to me how he does the clicking. We did 3 clicks. He just let you lie down on your back and bend your knee in 90 degrees position and ask you to relax your leg totally. Then he twists the leg to the right and left. That gives 2 clicks. You don't feel it at all. You just hear a small click sound.

[myloginacct]

I don't remember hearing good things about Dr. Jamal, but I guess I am mistaking him for some other doctor.

You have sensible lengthening amounts and you seem like a great guy. I hope your LL goes smoothly from start to consolidation.

Have you been getting good sleep?

[Rocky]

Hello myloginacct

Thank you for the nice words. I guess I'm one of the oldies here in this forum. I have a feeling that most guys in here are around 20's-30's   

For the length, we will examine my muscles and vessels at 5 cm. If everything is well, I will go higher up. Remember I am 46 (almost 47) so my recovery might probably not be as fast as a 20 years old kid

My impression about Dr. Jamal so far is that he really cares about you as an individual and as a patient, and not just a professional duty that he needs to complete. He will check up on you every day including his weekends. He will also text you from time to time on phone to see if everything is fine. You feel that he is always around you.

There are not so many diaries about him. So only time will prove his capabilities as a LL specialist. I have great faith in him and the Russian LL school philosophy. But lets leave this to the next few months to be uncovered 

For the sleep, I was sleeping around 12 hours combined during a day the first few days. When we reduced the 5 hours pain killers injections to twice a day since yesterday, I feel that I am back to my normal sleeping rhythm. I slept yesterday around 8 hours.

Are you also performing LL and if so, how is it going?

[Petite888]

Hi Rocky,

Just want to thank you for your diary. I have been checking on it since you started and just wanted to wish you all the best on your LL journey. 

I have just receive email from Dr Monegal today and am thinking going to Spain next month for a consultation.  I really hope your journey goes well as there’s not many diaries from Dr Jamal or from older parents like ourselves.

All the best

[myloginacct]

Hello myloginacct

Thank you for the nice words. I guess I'm one of the oldies here in this forum. I have a feeling that most guys in here are around 20's-30's   

For the length, we will examine my muscles and vessels at 5 cm. If everything is well, I will go higher up. Remember I am 46 (almost 47) so my recovery might probably not be as fast as a 20 years old kid

My impression about Dr. Jamal so far is that he really cares about you as an individual and as a patient, and not just a professional duty that he needs to complete. He will check up on you every day including his weekends. He will also text you from time to time on phone to see if everything is fine. You feel that he is always around you.

There are not so many diaries about him. So only time will prove his capabilities as a LL specialist. I have great faith in him and the Russian LL school philosophy. But lets leave this to the next few months to be uncovered 

For the sleep, I was sleeping around 12 hours combined during a day the first few days. When we reduced the 5 hours pain killers injections to twice a day since yesterday, I feel that I am back to my normal sleeping rhythm. I slept yesterday around 8 hours.

Are you also performing LL and if so, how is it going?

Hey, that's great on his part. We definitely do not need any more negligent doctors in cosmetic limb lengthening, no matter how skilled they are as surgeons.

Good to hear on the sleep too. This is one of the main complaints from CLL "patients". Getting terrible sleep due to the pain. 2~4 hours a night, waking up constantly due to pain.

I'm not performing LL, but I have a general outlook of when I'll get it done.

Thanks for sharing all the pics and details, by the way. Pics are much harder to come by.

Best of luck.

[Rocky]

Hello Petite888

Thank you very much and I really wholehearted wish that your consultation will go well with Dr. Monegal.

Please write about it so we can follow your progress.

Are you planning for femur or tibia? Internal or external devices? And what are your expectations?

[Rocky]

Hi myloginacct

Thanks for the reply.

The soft skills is also important along side with the surgical capabilities.

I might share more pics and more fruitful information once we finish operating the left leg and fight the lengthening war. So far I don't consider myself began the real war. It is still a warm up 

For the sleep, I am getting plenty of sleep. My body is very relaxed. I actually don't have pain at all. Just some tense muscle around my hip when I wake up in the morning. When I start walking to the kitchen or bathroom, it loosens up. Thats pretty much it.

So all in all, I am sleeping and eating very well. For the food, I am getting 3 different types of rich meals every single day. Food is so cheap here, so I am spoiling myself.

I would love to follow your progress once you begin your LL. Please keep us posted 

[Rocky]

Day 7 Update

Nothing really new. I guess I will have small updates every day till we complete operating the left leg. I guess I will have something more fruitful to share after the second operation.

Anyhow, so far I feel that I am getting stronger, getting deep sleep every day and eating very well.

I am doing squat while using the walker and sitting on the bed as a support. It is very light and with alot of support from the bed & walker so I am not sure if I can even call it squat

I used to squat alot when I did boxing in my youth 30 years ago or so, so I know how useful it is for the leg muscles.


Dr. Jamal came by today where he changed some of the plasters. He did again the "clicking demonstration". We clicked 5 times.

He asked me to write down how many clicks we do during his visits including the accidental clicks that I might be doing during out the day, so we can keep up with the clicking progress. So I made a simple table in Microsoft Excel on my computer to follow up with the clicks.

We spoke about that my next operation for the left leg will be around Thursday the 10th of May. He wants to ensure that my right leg is 100% strong enough before we proceed with the left leg. Lets see.

[Rocky]

I have a technical question please.

I am not so good with computers in general, so I need some help. When I want to reply to someone by clicking on the "reply" button, why doesn't it show their text with my reply beneath it.

I see alot of people reply to others by showing the original message and their text beneath it.

It doesn't work for me. Can someone help please?

[Android]

When I want to reply to someone by clicking on the "reply" button, why doesn't show their text with my reply beneath it.

I see alot of people reply to others by showing the original message and their text beneath it.

Look to the top right corner of message you want to reply to. Click on "Quote".

You can delete whatever isn't relevant (since sometimes you just want to reply to one small section out of many paragraphs), then add your response below. Here's how it looked as I replied to this.

[Rocky]

Look to the top right corner of message you want to reply to. Click on "Quote".

You can delete whatever isn't relevant (since sometimes you just want to reply to one small section out of many paragraphs), then add your response below. Here's how it looked as I replied to this.

Testing 1 2 3

Thank you Android 

[Rocky]

Day 8 Update

I had 1 hour session with Dr. Jamal today. We did 7 clicks. We are training to put my full body weight on my right leg alone. Since the operation for left leg will be next week, I have now a week to strengthen my right leg so it can take the full weight of my body. It has to be strong enough to be the leading leg, once the left is operated and will be in a healing state. Right now I am standing from time to time on my right leg while lifting the left one. I am using the walker to support a little bit, so I am not fully there yet. When I walk, I step longer time on my right leg and less on my left leg on purpose. This is what I need to work on right now and a week ahead.

Dr. Jamal brought some tablets with him. I will stop the pain killer injections from today and switch to lighter pain killer pills every 5 hours.

He examined my food menu with the helper and instructed her to add 2 fish meals in the weekly menu. She just went out to buy some fish.

[Petite888]

So your right leg will be bearing your full weight while you are still distracting? Wow.....good luck!

[Rocky]

Hi Petite888 and thanks my friend

Yes, that's the whole idea. I can stand on it shortly but I can't hold the balance for long without the walker. I am working on it.
The right leg has to be the leading leg next week.

[Petite888]

Hello Petite888

Thank you very much and I really wholehearted wish that your consultation will go well with Dr. Monegal.

Please write about it so we can follow your progress.

Are you planning for femur or tibia? Internal or external devices? And what are your expectations?

I will start a diary as soon as I finalize my decision on which dr I will go with.  I’m hoping for ~5.5cm on femurs and who knows, maybe (a very distant maybe) 3.5cm on tibs a year down the line if I get through unscathed??

[Rocky]

I will start a diary as soon as I finalize my decision on which dr I will go with.  I’m hoping for ~5.5cm on femurs and who knows, maybe (a very distant maybe) 3.5cm on tibs a year down the line if I get through unscathed??

Hello Petite888

Sounds really good. Those figures are definitely within a safe range so you should be fine during your recovery. Its a hard decision, but it will probably be one of the biggest decisions upon your body's condition during your life time.

I wish you all the best and hopefully you will be in safe hands to fulfill your dreams 

[Petite888]

Hello Petite888

Sounds really good. Those figures are definitely within a safe range so you should be fine during your recovery. Its a hard decision, but it will probably be one of the biggest decisions upon your body's condition during your life time.

I wish you all the best and hopefully you will be in safe hands to fulfill your dreams 

Hi Rocky,

As a female I don’t feel like I need lots of height but being 4’11” really sucks. Would be nice to experience the remaining half of my life at a relatively normal height rather than come up to every bodies armpit 

I do also realise that everything is working against me when it comes to CLL (gender, sex, race) so I do need to be conservative and I want to be do little enough so people don’t really notice that I suddenly got soo much taller....... better they think “you look well, something different, but I can’t quite place it!” 

Hope you are doing well. You seem to be doing amazingly well actually that I’m almost considering going to Kiev myself 

[hanshi]

Day 8 Update

I had 1 hour session with Dr. Jamal today. We did 7 clicks. We are training to put my full body weight on my right leg alone. Since the operation for left leg will be next week, I have now a week to strengthen my right leg so it can take the full weight of my body. It has to be strong enough to be the leading leg, once the left is operated and will be in a healing state. Right now I am standing from time to time on my right leg while lifting the left one. I am using the walker to support a little bit, so I am not fully there yet. When I walk, I step longer time on my right leg and less on my left leg on purpose. This is what I need to work on right now and a week ahead.

Dr. Jamal brought some tablets with him. I will stop the pain killer injections from today and switch to lighter pain killer pills every 5 hours.

He examined my food menu with the helper and instructed her to add 2 fish meals in the weekly menu. She just went out to buy some fish.

Hi Rocky, be careful and avoid standing on one leg. You are risking your nail might break due to fatigue failure if you intentionally put a lot of load on it. TBH, the whole thing about leading leg sounds a bit weird. You should see to it you load your legs equally.

Wishing you all the best.

[Rocky]

Hi Rocky, be careful and avoid standing on one leg. You are risking your nail might break due to fatigue failure if you intentionally put a lot of load on it. TBH, the whole thing about leading leg sounds a bit weird. You should see to it you load your legs equally.

Wishing you all the best.

Hi hanshi

Thanks for your message. The Bliskunov nail that I have chosen is made out of Titanium. It comes in different diameters. I can't remember the figures exactly, but as I was explained the one I have can take up to 120+ kg of load. We are talking about just one nail here. Once I get two nails in both legs, it will double up. That's one of the reasons why I didn't want to go with other modern nails and chose this old-school Russian nail.

I got a detailed explanation how it is stabilized during the operation but I remember half of it. It was something about that they don't just mount the nail and the bone with screws, but they also put screws to hold the screws for extra stability.

I am actually doing full weight bearing on one leg, but I still lose my balance. It got better today, but I'm still not there yet.

So from that angle, I am not worried.

Regarding the one leg thing. I was informed that having the two legs operated on the same day is not something that is recommended. Many reputative doctors do it, but it will put an unessasiry and impleasant pressure on the patient to start weight bearing in a slow manner. I got also a detailed explanation about that part too, but I don't remember all the details. All what I can tell you, I would have suffered doing my daily routines if I had both legs in a weak condition just after the operation. It was a big relief to have the left leg supporting me and get the right leg to a stronger state where it will be taking over the load at some point.

[Rocky]

Day 9 Update

Same daily routine so nothing really new. I am clicking, walking, eating healthy, sleeping deeply and being checked up by Dr. Jamal every day.

I was told that my legs are ready for more exercise. From tomorrow I need to walk every 3 hours for 30 minutes, 3 to 4 times a day. I have to walk slowly and not in a rush, and it is recommended to just stand from time to time for 1 to 2 minutes during the walking. I was informed that just standing is a very important duty during the exercise.

My walking plan for tomorrow will be as follow:

09:00 - 9:30 am

12:30 - 1:00 pm

04:00 - 4:30 pm

07:30 - 08:00 pm (Optional)

[Rocky]

Hi Rocky,

As a female I don’t feel like I need lots of height but being 4’11” really sucks. Would be nice to experience the remaining half of my life at a relatively normal height rather than come up to every bodies armpit 

I do also realise that everything is working against me when it comes to CLL (gender, sxx, race) so I do need to be conservative and I want to be do little enough so people don’t really notice that I suddenly got soo much taller....... better they think “you look well, something different, but I can’t quite place it!” 

Hope you are doing well. You seem to be doing amazingly well actually that I’m almost considering going to Kiev myself 

Hi Petite888

Sorry for being late on my reply.

I think you should look more positively at your situation.

For the height: 4’11 is not that bad for a female. Statistics show that alot of men get attracted to shorter women, so it shouldn't be hindering you with the opposite gender.

For the gender: Whats wrong with being a female! You know that women had a lot of influence on the world's history and economics than we do realize. In most homes, women rule even men don't like to admit it. In our neighborhood, people think that I am ruling the house. But in reality, it is my wife 

For the race: Hmm. I don't know which race you are from. But be proud of your race no matter what!

Regarding the lengthening and if people will notice it or not. Screw it all. Do what pleases you and not what pleases others. If you wish to get 2 inches taller, do it. If you wish to reach 4 inches (probably in two steps), then just do it.

Do what makes you feel happy deep inside, and forget about our environments expectations.

Again: Screw others opinion.


Lastly, regarding my experience in Kiev. So far so good. Give it couple of months to see Dr. Jamal's capabilities. So far everything is going by the book. But remember, we didn't start with the left leg yet. We are just scratching the surface so far. Only time will uncover the final result 

[Rocky]

Day 10 Update

As planned, I walked today 3 x 30 minutes with 3 hours breaking intervals. I'm just putting music on and going back and forth in the apartment. The daily walking routines such as showering, going back and forth to the kitchen and bathroom are not calculated in the 30 minutes walking exercises. My right leg feels stronger and stronger every day.

The weather is very hot outside and  I don't feel like leaving the apartment. I'm more than fine being inside.

Dr. Jamal came by and we did 7 clicks. Every 18 clicks gives 1 mm, so we are clicking with a slow rate now.

We will do a scanning in couple of days to measure the distance achieved so far. Lets see.

Next step: Netflex

[Petite888]

Hi Petite888

Sorry for being late on my reply.

I think you should look more positively at your situation.

For the height: 4’11 is not that bad for a female. Statistics show that alot of men get attracted to shorter women, so it shouldn't be hindering you with the opposite gender.

For the gender: Whats wrong with being a female! You know that women had a lot of influence on the world's history and economics than we do realize. In most homes, women rule even men don't like to admit it. In our neighborhood, people think that I am ruling the house. But in reality, it is my wife 

For the race: Hmm. I don't know which race you are from. But be proud of your race no matter what!

Regarding the lengthening and if people will notice it or not. Screw it all. Do what pleases you and not what pleases others. If you wish to get 2 inches taller, do it. If you wish to reach 4 inches (probably in two steps), then just do it.

Do what makes you feel happy deep inside, and forget about our environments expectations.

Again: Screw others opinion.


Lastly, regarding my experience in Kiev. So far so good. Give it couple of months to see Dr. Jamal's capabilities. So far everything is going by the book. But remember, we didn't start with the left leg yet. We are just scratching the surface so far. Only time will uncover the final result 

Hi Rocky,

Glad to hear that everything is going well so far, even if you are just scratching the surface, your diary is inspiring nonetheless.

For the height: 4’11 is not that bad for a female. Statistics show that alot of men get attracted to shorter women, so it shouldn't be hindering you with the opposite gender.

For the gender: Whats wrong with being a female! You know that women had a lot of influence on the world's history and economics than we do realize. In most homes, women rule even men don't like to admit it. In our neighborhood, people think that I am ruling the house. But in reality, it is my wife 

For the race: Hmm. I don't know which race you are from. But be proud of your race no matter what!

I think I must have been a tad unclear.  I am proud of my age, race and gender but it’s just not helpful when it comes to limb lengthening.  From reading journals on this forum, it seems that older people, women and people from E Asia have the hardest time when it comes to limb lengthening and I am all 3 so I have to be extra careful.

Also I am doing this for myself and not to attract men.  To be honest, even as short as I am I have never had a problem with men and with 2 kids and mid life, I’m not to bothered about men at the moment.  I spent years trying to get out of my last relationship as it is!......haha.  It would just be nice to buy a a pair of trousers off the rack, and not have to alter them, look nice in a dress without 4 inch 👠, or not have to tip toe at the kitchen sink......things normal people can do.   Oh the worse is getting on the subway in rush hour and being stuck under somebodies armpit for 3 stops! YUK!!

[Rocky]

Day 13 Update: (7mm Right Leg)

I thought about writing an update when I have something more fruitful to share.

Regarding my condition, my right leg is getting stronger and stronger.

I thought that I could only sleep on my back at night which I found uncomfortable because I am not used to it. I always sleep on the sides. But when I consulted Dr. Jamal he informed me that I can sleep on any side I want as long I feel comfortable. So I am now sleeping on my sides at night. Ofcourse the untouched left side is more comfortable than the right side.

I have also got crutches which gives me a lot of freedom to move around comparing to the walker. Its much faster to walk now and a total different feeling. You feel you become a free bird 

I noticed that the affects from the pain killer tablets are not as powerful as the injections. When I get the tables, my muscles are somehow tense when I walk. While the injection makes me walk without discomfort at all. So I am asking my helper to give me injections whenever I want to exercise to get the best out of my muscles activation. The pain killer injections last for 5-6 hours. This is all what I need to perform my daily exercises. Sometimes when I work till late at night, I feel my muscles get tense again so I ask her for another injection before I go to sleep.

But the interesting part today was the X Ray result. I asked Dr. Jamal to provide me the CT scanning image before the operation and the X Ray from today. It seems that I have grown 7 mm on the right leg so far.

Here are the before and after images:

https://imgur.com/a/oI2Lzgk

[Rocky]

Hi Rocky,

Glad to hear that everything is going well so far, even if you are just scratching the surface, your diary is inspiring nonetheless.

I think I must have been a tad unclear.  I am proud of my age, race and gender but it’s just not helpful when it comes to limb lengthening.  From reading journals on this forum, it seems that older people, women and people from E Asia have the hardest time when it comes to limb lengthening and I am all 3 so I have to be extra careful.

Also I am doing this for myself and not to attract men.  To be honest, even as short as I am I have never had a problem with men and with 2 kids and mid life, I’m not to bothered about men at the moment.  I spent years trying to get out of my last relationship as it is!......haha.  It would just be nice to buy a a pair of trousers off the rack, and not have to alter them, look nice in a dress without 4 inch 👠, or not have to tip toe at the kitchen sink......things normal people can do.   Oh the worse is getting on the subway in rush hour and being stuck under somebodies armpit for 3 stops! YUK!!

Hi Petite888

I am really glad to read what you wrote.

In the beginning I thought you were an insecure teenage kid. I know it from my own teenage kid, so I was communicating with you the way I would do with my kid. But it seems that I misunderstood your message. Sorry about that.

I know exactly how you feel about buying a pair of trousers off the rack. In my case I go to dancing classes with my wife. It would be nice to be the same height as her, while she has her heels on. Normally she avoids too high heels, but I would like to see her wearing very high heels while I'm looking her in the eyes.

You made me laugh hard regarding the subway thing. Tell you what? Get 2-3 inches taller and be the one giving others the armpits torture. Armpits revenge

[myloginacct]

I know exactly how you feel about buying a pair of trousers off the rack. In my case I go to dancing classes with my wife. It would be nice to be the same height as her, while she has her heels on. Normally she avoids too high heels, but I would like to see her wearing very high heels while I'm looking her in the eyes.

What about elevator shoes? Have you ever used them before?

I hope the pain and sleep have been manageable, by the way!

[Rocky]

What about elevator shoes? Have you ever used them before?

I hope the pain and sleep have been manageable, by the way!

Hi myloginacct

I am not sure what you mean by elevator shoes. I guess shoes with high heels for men? Isn't used typically for medical treatments or so?

I'm sleeping very well. Thanks for asking. I don't really have pain but I get muscles tension if I'm not getting any sort of pain killers for long time. But I realized that pain killer injections are more powerful than the tablets, if I need to keep going on with zero tension.

[myloginacct]

Hi myloginacct

I am not sure what you mean by elevator shoes. I guess shoes with high heels for men? Isn't used typically for medical treatments or so?

I'm sleeping very well. Thanks for asking. I don't really have pain but I get muscles tension if I'm not getting any sort of pain killers for long time. But I realized that pain killer injections are more powerful than the tablets, if I need to keep going on with zero tension.

There are shoes many people here use to get increased height in everyday life. I was just wondering if you used or would have considered using some of those before!

Glad to hear things still seem to be going very well.

[Rocky]

I was not aware of those type of shoes but I have searched on google to read about it. You should have told me about those shoes few weeks ago before doing LL

[Rocky]

Day 15 Update:

My operation for left leg is postponed for few days. So I am waiting the final confirmation for the date and time.

I was told how to click the device by my self few days back. I found out how easy it is.

When I sit on the chair I need to have both legs close together. Then I move my right foot in a zig zag fashion away from the left foot. Just few steps and I hear a clear "click" sound. Then I pull my leg back to the starting position and repeat.

The whole clicking takes between 1-2 minutes depending on how fast I do it.

I started doing it as a practice while I am eating breakfast every morning.

One more detail: I am lying on both sides of my body very easily when I am in bed. Yesterday I also slept for a while on my stomach. Ofcourse the right side is the most uncomfortable of all positions.

[Argent_Lecter]

good to know you're doing fine, man! keep going

this is an interesting diary tho.