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[7231]

I’m saving up the money I needed for Paley, and I also only joined this place when I was 17. Surprisingly because of my genius IQ I nearly have $130,000 already just now at the age of 20. But I’m sure that is nowhere near as good as the $15,000 you’ve scrounged together to go get it done in India , I could do that as well right now, but I realize the gravity of this surgery, and I also realize that this surgery probably won’t have as big of an effect on my life as I think, so better to get it done in the safest and healthiest way as possible, than to be not only disappointed but also immobilized or being tortured in India.

Please do not disparage other members and countries. We are all friends, brothers, sisters here please do not bring animosity.

[CaptainAmerica]

And I appreciate the Christ-like comparison, I do think that's pretty accurate, I am the Jesus Christ of LL, I am the savior here to save manlets from a lifetime of medical problems and BDD and staring in the mirror and afraid of taking photos with other people or afraid of wearing clothes because of how their body is proportioned. And just like Jesus Christ, you all want to crucify me for sharing this information.

If I can get at least one manlet to change his mind from doing 5 or 6 inches and instead maybe doing 3 and living a healthier life and looking more proportioned, then my gospel will be well heard and all worth it. The last thing I want is another person having year-long complications, feeling pain when they walk, being in a wheelchair, etc.. all over 1-2 inches of height that wouldn't have made that much of a difference anyway.

Obviously if everything was fine dandy and healthy I would be advocating for 5, 6, 7, 8 inches. But that's just not the reality. You have to take what you've got from life, be thankful that LL even exists, and then optimize for aesthetics and health.

[The Dreamer]

I have attacked you because of the trashy and false post that you have made and other users are agreeing with me
You're so coward that you have also deleted the post
I don't care about what are you saying on me as I don't judge people that I don't know
If you are an incel for me it's ok but if you're a liar then no,Bodybuilder has never said that doing 5 inches in on segment is a good idea.No one has ever said that,atleast here on the new forum
Also your starting topic is useless since one guy could do 6 cms on femurs and be fine
We know that "safe limits" are indicative and all depends on how does your body handle LL:some had troubles doing 3 cms on tibias and some did 5/6 cms being fine
However you're useless and toxic so this is my last answer here

[ZUCC420]

I’m saving up the money I needed for Paley, and I also only joined this place when I was 17. Surprisingly because of my genius IQ I nearly have $130,000 already just now at the age of 20. But I’m sure that is nowhere near as good as the $15,000 you’ve scrounged together to go get it done in India , I could do that as well right now, but I realize the gravity of this surgery, and I also realize that this surgery probably won’t have as big of an effect on my life as I think, so better to get it done in the safest and healthiest way as possible, than to be not only disappointed but also immobilized or being tortured in India.

Again you assume?? Dude I would get it done with Paley or Guitchet cause I am doing fking 5 inches dude, 5 inches!! Not a measly 2 inch and waste that much money. Whatever you genius psychopath just don't assume and be rude to other members in this public forum.

[llendpoint]

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=4614.0

I go for 14 -15 cm. Check out my mock ups. They look fine.

As for my reason. Well, my starting height is super short, not just short. After two LL's only I will be at the border of short/average.

[Knik]

5 inches is about 12 cm ?
it's simply impossible to do 5 inches in one segment

[Tiger9898]

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=4614.0

I go for 14 -15 cm. Check out my mock ups. They look fine.

I have seen your post before and you really look good. I think main thing to get rid of bad proportions  is to build up muscles before or after LL. I don't mean one should be bodybuilder in short frame but building up muscles like you can help.  By the way, which program did u use for such a great mock up?

[MirinHeight]

Body Builder and plenty of people. There is even a goddamn person in this thread wanting to go from 5’4 to 5’9. Also I was exaggerating, but still 4, 5, 6 all bad. Anything over 3 probably disastrous long term.

Also useless? You’re the fking moron. I’m the first person in this forum to bring skepticism to this place in a long time. I’m trying to talk about proportions, lengthening amounts, and the reality of all of LL in general.

What, do you want all of us to go on and on about how height is everything and how 3 inches will turn your life upside down and get men to bow and women to bend over? Are you mad that this is what you believe and that I’m the only one here challenging it?

You’re the fking useless one, wanting LL at 5’10.  Here’s the truth: you’re an ugly and insecure guy and you found yourself here because of that. No good looking or even or even average 5’10 guy would ever find an LL forum much less sign up and consider the surgery himself. You think being 6’1 will change your life but it won’t, I also know plenty of ugly guys 5’11, 6 and even 6’2 who are still ugly and insecure and still aren’t content with themselves or their lives.

This obviously angers you deeply because you know it to be true, and that’s why you’re getting mad even though I am doing nothing but sharing healthy knowledge and skepticism with this community, doing nothing but try and help us all make better decisions.

There wasn’t even anything in this thread relative to you, but you just had to attack me because you know the things I’ve told you before are true, thats how badly these truths burn you deep down inside. You probably spend your nights awake in bed thinking about my forum posts seething with rage and anger that I am shattering your illusions, but don’t be mad, it is healthier to have a realistic view of this world than to fail in your own delusions.

im 179 cm
and 95% of the guys in my family around my age are above 183 cm

thus, i have always been insecure about my height, because i feel very short around my family and have always been called short in my family. So it is all relative bro. I also was very good defensive end in football. lead my division 1 school in sacks and did not get a single scholarship from a D1 college because of my height. my younger brother who is 6'2 is playing college football in a division 1 school...

of course i have no plan of doing this surgery and trying to play football lmao. But these are the types of reasons i have been very insecure about my height.
and there have been multiple studies done where if you are over 6', you get paid more, you get more respect from your peers, you are more likely to win a job interview, etc.

and i have no insecurities about my looks. i have a pretty gf who is in the medical field (PA school) and i believe i am above average in attractiveness.

So no need to target someone when you dont know their situation and why they want LL.

[CaptainAmerica]

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=4614.0

I go for 14 -15 cm. Check out my mock ups. They look fine.

As for my reason. Well, my starting height is super short, not just short. After two LL's only I will be at the border of short/average.

Do this same thing but with a photo of you standing next to other people. Your legs look very, very long with 14cm man. Also, you look better here because the photo is taken from a low angle.

I realize 156 is a hard height to start at, but I don't think going overboard is a good answer nor will it make your life that much better than lengthening a moderate amount either... This mentality of "well what do I have to lose anyway!" is pretty dangerous, but it is your life. Apo did more and is able to walk around fine, run not so well, but it is the things that you value in life.

[MirinHeight]

And I appreciate the Christ-like comparison, I do think that's pretty accurate, I am the Jesus Christ of LL, I am the savior here to save manlets from a lifetime of medical problems and BDD and staring in the mirror and afraid of taking photos with other people or afraid of wearing clothes because of how their body is proportioned. And just like Jesus Christ, you all want to crucify me for sharing this information.

If I can get at least one manlet to change his mind from doing 5 or 6 inches and instead maybe doing 3 and living a healthier life and looking more proportioned, then my gospel will be well heard and all worth it. The last thing I want is another person having year-long complications, feeling pain when they walk, being in a wheelchair, etc.. all over 1-2 inches of height that wouldn't have made that much of a difference anyway.

Obviously if everything was fine dandy and healthy I would be advocating for 5, 6, 7, 8 inches. But that's just not the reality. You have to take what you've got from life, be thankful that LL even exists, and then optimize for aesthetics and health.

while i believe your intentions are good, you are approaching this situation in a hostile manner. That is why you are receiving hate.

i also believe no body should lengthen more than 3 inches. 3 inches should be max for many reasons, but there are better ways to put it

[Knik]

im 179 cm
and 95% of the guys in my family around my age are above 183 cm

thus, i have always been insecure about my height, because i feel very short around my family and have always been called short in my family. So it is all relative bro. I also was very good defensive end in football. lead my division 1 school in sacks and did not get a single scholarship from a D1 college because of my height. my younger brother who is 6'2 is playing college football in a division 1 school...

of course i have no plan of doing this surgery and trying to play football lmao. But these are the types of reasons i have been very insecure about my height.
and there have been multiple studies done where if you are over 6', you get paid more, you get more respect from your peers, you are more likely to win a job interview, etc.

and i have no insecurities about my looks. i have a pretty gf who is in the medical field (PA school) and i believe i am above average in attractiveness.

So no need to target someone when you dont know their situation and why they want LL.

after LL it's clearly one of the worst sport to do (in my opinion) 
and they is no difference of salaries between a 5-11 and a 6ft guy, you won't get more respect either. That could be the case between a 5-8 and a 6ft guy 
most tall (more than average at least) people who want to do LL are from the USA, it's kind of funny because US average is less than european average
there is no dutch people, it's funny from a country where it should be even worse to live for a underaverage guy

[llendpoint]

I have seen your post before and you really look good. I think main thing to get rid of bad proportions  is to build up muscles before or after LL. I don't mean one should be bodybuilder in short frame but building up muscles like you can help.  By the way, which program did u use for such a great mock up?

I used paint. I cut the image where the legs where by selecting that area and pulling it away by xxx pixle (7 cm). Then I selected one half if the splited image and streched it so both images pieces would be connected again. The streching of a selected area in paint works really well for mock ups.


For comparison reasons I don't have proper images with other people next to me, or images I would want to put on the internet. But I can trell you that my cam was standing at at least 1 meter height and about 5 meter distance. It's not from a low angle.


Also @ CaptainAmerica, I don't know about your height or the height of other people, but everyone experiences life in a different way, especially with height. I don't think you can relate to some people enough to know how they feel. I'm someone who does not think about his height for the most time of my life. Why would I even, there is nothing wrong 'with me'. And I don't even get to hear anything from others about my height, not even girls have ever mentioned my height, even with my height (Maybe it's so obvious that there is no reason for people to point it out. I might hear more after the operations, that's what I think). And I still think it's worth doing it just because I can. It's mostly for myself (the side effects of being perceived differently is a nice side effect for sure). I just find the thought of doing it interesting enough to go for it. It's comparable to a 'superhuman ability'. Why would I not want to try it out?

And I'm also convinced that I will heal up to 95-99% (If I only lenghten while the body responds positively). There is a reason why something like a placebo effect exists. Because the body does perform better or worse depending on the psyche of a person. The physical body, the healing power, and the immune system is connected to someone's real convinced and subconscious thoughts. If people expect to heal only a bit, how can they expect more than that? They are literally forcing their body to stop healing after they reached their expectations. They need higher expectations to heal better. (So for a pessimist, I can understand why they would not want to do LL. They would perform badly by being a pessimist according to what I explained before.) For that same reason people become sick depending on their mental state. You guys know that everyone has cancer and the immune system is constantly fighting it. It also is a process. What society labels as cancer is when your body lost the fight with the cancer that is always there to some degree, and the cancer is likely to finish from there. Even from that point you can have a comeback. So you need to realize how much of the unsuccessful operations happen due to the person having the operation. This is why you see mentally stable people perform better.

Of course the operation itself needs to be a success. After that, the rest is up to me.

[myloginacct]

Height is an advantage but it's not the be-all and end-all. 

I'm fine with tall people (5'10 and up) wanting to be taller, but I fully believe just getting out of "short" territory is the main benefit that CLL can bring. Also, killing your height neurosis. 

[myloginacct]

Since you personally insulted me I’ll insult you as well. You’re 5’4. That’s game over. You will look comical no matter how much LL you get because of your small body frame. So do what you want and get 5 inches. You also sound low IQ and like 15 years old so I don’t think you’ll ever figure out how to earn enough money or get this surgery in the first place. Good luck!

You guys all need to stop, since personal attacks are against the rules.

I think that height shaming is specially bad, though, and you need to avoid it. It's a such a low blow to attack someone for their height in a CLL forum. The worst instance I saw of this here was a 6 feet guy mocking others for their luck compared to his.

[7231]

im 179 cm
and 95% of the guys in my family around my age are above 183 cm

thus, i have always been insecure about my height, because i feel very short around my family and have always been called short in my family. So it is all relative bro. I also was very good defensive end in football. lead my division 1 school in sacks and did not get a single scholarship from a D1 college because of my height. my younger brother who is 6'2 is playing college football in a division 1 school...

of course i have no plan of doing this surgery and trying to play football lmao. But these are the types of reasons i have been very insecure about my height.
and there have been multiple studies done where if you are over 6', you get paid more, you get more respect from your peers, you are more likely to win a job interview, etc.

and i have no insecurities about my looks. i have a pretty gf who is in the medical field (PA school) and i believe i am above average in attractiveness.

So no need to target someone when you dont know their situation and why they want LL.

I personally think 179 cm is more than good height and LL might not be necessary, but I can understand your point and do not question you reason, we all are free to use this opportunity and live our lives as we wish.

[Knik]

Height is an advantage but it's not the be-all and end-all. 

I'm fine with tall people (5'10 and up) wanting to be taller, but I fully believe just getting out of "short" territory is the main benefit that CLL can bring. Also, killing your height neurosis.

but you know everybody is 6-7
that's my case too, most of my uncles (4 uncles) are 6/6-2 (that's what they claim, I don't know exactly maybe a bit less than their claim for some of them) and I'm not insecure. I don't feel short next to them as my shoulders are at the same level than their shoulders (for those at 6ft). 2 of them are white, 1 is black, another one is mixed
and I know they are tall, so no reason to be insecure
thanks to them I can be sure that average is far from 6ft or even 5-11

[myloginacct]

but you know everybody is 6-7
that's my case too, most of my uncles (4 uncles) are 6/6-2 (that's what they claim, I don't know exactly) and I'm not insecure. I don't feel short next to them as my shoulders are at the same level than their shoulders (for those at 6ft). 2 of them are white, 1 is black, another one is mixed
and I know they are tall, so no reason to be insecure
thanks to them I can be sure that average is far from 6ft or even 5-11

Have you tried measuring yourself again? I think you're taller than 170.5cm. But you're right. The difference in height between two persons only gets massive after 13cm.

I've seen people who did LL from 5'7 to 5'10 mention how surprised they were at how close people of their former height seemed to them. Because we only experience life through our eye level, height differences seem bigger than they really are to others.

I used paint. I cut the image where the legs where by selecting that area and pulling it away by xxx pixle (7 cm). Then I selected one half if the splited image and streched it so both images pieces would be connected again. The streching of a selected area in paint works really well for mock ups.


For comparison reasons I don't have proper images with other people next to me, or images I would want to put on the internet. But I can trell you that my cam was standing at at least 1 meter height and about 5 meter distance. It's not from a low angle.


Also @ CaptainAmerica, I don't know about your height or the height of other people, but everyone experiences life in a different way, especially with height. I don't think you can relate to some people enough to know how they feel. I'm someone who does not think about his height for the most time of my life. Why would I even, there is nothing wrong 'with me'. And I don't even get to hear anything from others about my height, not even girls have ever mentioned my height, even with my height (Maybe it's so obvious that there is no reason for people to point it out. I might hear more after the operations, that's what I think). And I still think it's worth doing it just because I can. It's mostly for myself (the side effects of being perceived differently is a nice side effect for sure). I just find the thought of doing it interesting enough to go for it. It's comparable to a 'superhuman ability'. Why would I not want to try it out?

And I'm also convinced that I will heal up to 95-99% (If I only lenghten while the body responds positively). There is a reason why something like a placebo effect exists. Because the body does perform better or worse depending on the psyche of a person. The physical body, the healing power, and the immune system is connected to someone's real convinced and subconscious thoughts. If people expect to heal only a bit, how can they expect more than that? They are literally forcing their body to stop healing after they reached their expectations. They need higher expectations to heal better. (So for a pessimist, I can understand why they would not want to do LL. They would perform badly by being a pessimist according to what I explained before.) For that same reason people become sick depending on their mental state. You guys know that everyone has cancer and the immune system is constantly fighting it. It also is a process. What society labels as cancer is when your body lost the fight with the cancer that is always there to some degree, and the cancer is likely to finish from there. Even from that point you can have a comeback. So you need to realize how much of the unsuccessful operations happen due to the person having the operation. This is why you see mentally stable people perform better.

Of course the operation itself needs to be a success. After that, the rest is up to me.

Hey, LLPrime, if you don't mind the personal question: how are you expecting your life to change after LL?

[Knik]

Have you tried measuring yourself again? I think you're taller than 170.5cm. But you're right. The difference in height between two persons only gets massive after 13cm.

I've seen people who did LL from 5'7 to 5'10 mention how surprised they were at how close people of their former height seemed to them. Because we only experience life through our eye level, height differences seem bigger than they really are to others.

Let's say 5-7 range, whatever it can be something between 170 and 172
my eye level clearly is at 160 cm
I made the same method at 23h30 by using something on my head and using a tape is showed me 171 cm
so 5-10 wasn't a big difference according to them ?

[myloginacct]

Let's say 5-7 range, whatever it can be something between 170 and 172
my eye level clearly is at 160 cm
so 5-10 wasn't a big difference according to them ?

Here's a post.


Also, here's a 170cm man standing next to a 180cm man (Jon Stewart and Colbert).




I don't care about American politics. This was just the easiest example to link.

[CaptainAmerica]

This is the difference between someone who is 5'8 and 5'10.



This someone who is 6ft, you can see even though Rob is 5'8 his shoulders don't look THAT much lower than his.



This is when the height difference starts to get real, this guy is 6'3, a full 7 inches taller. This is when it starts to look real.

[Knik]

you made me try again, exactly with that method and I found a good 171 cm again

[Knik]

Here's a post.


Also, here's a 170cm man standing next to a 180cm man (Jon Stewart and Colbert).




I don't care about American politics. This was just the easiest example to link.

I'm usually suspicious about self claim

[Knik]

This is the difference between someone who is 5'8 and 5'10.



This someone who is 6ft, you can see even though Rob is 5'8 his shoulders don't look THAT much lower than his.



This is when the height difference starts to get real, this guy is 6'3, a full 7 inches taller. This is when it starts to look real.

about two eyes level, I would probably find it quite important

[myloginacct]

Let's say 5-7 range, whatever it can be something between 170 and 172
my eye level clearly is at 160 cm
I made the same method at 23h30 by using something on my head and using a tape is showed me 171 cm
so 5-10 wasn't a big difference according to them ?

I also have the impression you're a 173cm at a minimum and just measuring yourself wrong. But I don't know you, so... This is the second time you mention you measured yourself, so I'll take your word for it.

EDIT: Third time now. I made this post late. Point definitely taken. But maybe you still should measure your max height during the morning and your minimum before bed.

[CaptainAmerica]

Jon Stewart is one of the tallest 5'7 guys I've ever seen, seriously, I always assumed he was at least 5'10, 5'11. I think some people just have "taller" looking faces that are longer looking and make us think someone is taller than they really are. Same thing with, Danny Trejo, he is only 5'6!!! Wtf?? With that face and skull shape of his I seriously thought he would be much taller.

[Knik]

I looked at your link myloginacct, that would explain why tall guys feel average sometimes

[Knik]

Jon Stewart is one of the tallest 5'7 guys I've ever seen, seriously, I always assumed he was at least 5'10, 5'11. I think some people just have "taller" looking faces that are longer looking and make us think someone is taller than they really are. Same thing with, Danny Trejo, he is only 5'6!!! Wtf?? With that face and skull shape of his I seriously thought he would be much taller.

Danny Trejo never looked tall.
Usually the best exemple of 5-11/6ft tall guy is Lil Peep. He was thin, that gived him a tall impression. Since he is dead and get famous all website listed him at 6-2 while his friend Bexley said he was 5-11/6ft

[ZUCC420]

@myloginacct Is there any point in morning height? Since it only lasts for 30 mins after waking up. In my opinion a person's real height should be the one that stays static like the evening height.

[Knik]

@myloginacct Is there any point in morning height? Since it only lasts for 30 mins after waking up. In my opinion a person's real height should be the one that stays static like the evening height.

Yes, you are taller at morning because of lumbar discs
measure yourself right after waking up, you will be 1-2 cm taller

[ZUCC420]

Yes, you are taller at morning because of lumbar discs
measure yourself right after waking up, you will be 1-2 cm taller

I know but it doesn't last very long now does it? Maybe for an hour or two. So shouldn't our real height be the evening one?

[myloginacct]

@myloginacct Is there any point in morning height? Since it only lasts for 30 mins after waking up. In my opinion a person's real height should be the one that stays static like the evening height.

It's good for feeling better about yourself.