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[myloginacct]

It really sucks that my I am gonna be disproportionate after lengthening 12 cm but I have no choice guys. I want to reproduce and being this short I would never get to date girls that are close to 173-175 cm. I already hate my father for passing on his manlet genes but now I have to "responsible" and will have to marry a girl that is tall and can't do that at 163 cm only.

How tall are your parents?

[ZUCC420]

Father is 168 cm while mother is 160 cm, the thing is all the relatives on my father's side are midgets that are less than 175 cm while on my mom's side they are greater than 175 cm. Damn these cursed manlet genes.

[CaptainAmerica]

Stop saying things you don't know!.
I lengthened 3 inches and I look completely normal.
Yes my torso is a little short but my arms, my shoulders, my wrists, my head and generally everything is bigger than most of the men that are physically in my current height (5.9).
And I am sure I'll look better than most of the men of 5.11 height after I'll do my second LL because I'll be relatively tall without the skinny look that most of tall men have.
A short built man that does LL and is now more than average height due to longer legs but has still a bulk torso looks better than the majority of tall men.

So don't spread bs taking as an example a skinny little boy like Mars because there are plenty of short guys that looks like Lee Priest or Scott Caan (to not talk about bbers) that look like normal men but just short, not like kids. All these men will look terribly good after LL.

These people you talk about have trained for over 10 years in the gym along with steroids. Not everyone who is going to do LL can or will do that. Especially after lengthening over 10cm, I feel like it may even be dangerous to attempt so. But I do agree that if you're a body builder or you're big you can offset the disproportion of LL to a degree.


What I disagree with is you saying these guys look like normal proportioned men.





It's still pretty obvious that they're short to me, and it honestly looks a bit comical putting all that muscle on a tiny frame like that. And he would look even more comical after LL, a stuffy looking short frame with ballooned up muscles walking on stilts, smh. Still he would probably look better in clothes and probably better overall than not working out.

[myloginacct]

Father is 168 cm while mother is 160 cm, the thing is all the relatives on my father's side are midgets that are less than 175 cm while on my mom's side they are greater than 175 cm. Damn these cursed manlet genes.

Well, your mother is short too so it's not only his side's fault. The guys on your mom's side probably have taller dads as well.

[CaptainAmerica]

I don'tt understand why guys go over 2 cm per segment, everything after it is disproportionnal and dangerous

Obvious butthurt is obvious but you're getting closer to the truth than your previous beliefs.

I'm talking out of my ass here, but years ago, either on this forum, or the old old forum , or somewhere else like a medical journal, I read that the advised maximum lengthening for mobility and full mechanical recovery was a whopping whole 4cm or, 1.5 inches.

Which I agree with! That sounds realistic. The people on here who think you can spread apart your limbs by a full goddamn 5-6 inches and keep a normal gait and be healthy for the rest of your life are DELUSIONAL. And will cause a lot of problems for other people and themselves. You don't know how much you value your health until you lose it.

[ZUCC420]

@CaptainAmerica Obviously technology has improved since then, that is why lengthening 10 cm to 14 cm is reasonable and safe. Why do you think Paley has the limits set to 8 cm femur and 6 cm tibia??

@myloginacct Yes it's true but you have to understand all my maternal cousins are 6ft or above while my paternal cousins are midgets that are below 5'9". Yes they all have tall dads so If I had a tall dad I would be atleast 6ft.

[CaptainAmerica]

Obviously technology has improved since then, that is why lengthening 10 cm to 14 cm is reasonable and safe. Why do you think Paley has the limits set to 8 cm femur and 6 cm tibia??

What technology are you talking about? The human body has mechanically stayed the same for like over 500,000 years now, probably more. No matter how good the technology of the actual procedure itself gets, it doesn't matter because you are always at the whims of the mechanical and physical limits of your body itself.

Take any mechanical model where weight is suspended by a rod, pole, etc.. and see how well it functions after you add or subtract even 1 or 2 inches. It can have massive impacts on the efficiency. Granted, the human body is much more resilient, adaptive, and can withstand amazingly harsh conditions (just look at these bodybuilder dudes on steroids for 20+ years like Rich Piana lifting 500lbs+ and putting their body under immense stress constantly, and even obese 300+lb people who manage to survive over 10 years like that). But it isn't ideal. You will face leg pain, back pain, possibly be in a wheelchair at old age, etc..

Also, the biggest technological advancements have been weight-bearing and internal methods... Which still frequently cause disunions and long-term complications, at least with what I've seen here reading journals.

[ZUCC420]

My point was if Dr.Paley thinks he can lengthen 14 cm then it is obviously possible without much complication, sure you would never get your athletic performance back to 100% we all know that.

[CaptainAmerica]

My point was if Dr.Paley thinks he can lengthen 14 cm then it is obviously possible without much complication, sure you would never get your athletic performance back to 100% we all know that.

And Dr. Betz thinks you can lengthen 20cm. These are maximum limits so that really short guys will still give him $250,000 of business. This is a business after all. You want to make your market as big as possible. Realistically saying you can lengthen 2-3 inches isn't going to get all the 5'3-5'5 guys signing up in your office.

[ZUCC420]

But isn't Dr.Paley more credible since he pioneered the LL surgery with his precice device? I don't know much about this Dr.Betz but I know much more about Paley and since his reputation is at stake you would think he would be careful at operating people that would want to get 14 cm height increase?

[myloginacct]

Yes they all have tall dads so If I had a tall dad I would be atleast 6ft.

No, you wouldn't... Your mother is 160cm. You'd probably be 168~176cm.

[ZUCC420]

Really? I see all her sisters are close to her height or more and their sons are all tall manmores so I don't know what to believe dude. I see all my maternal cousins and I just get angry and depressed. I feel like i was robbed of this glorious status because of my manlet father who is only 5'6.

[myloginacct]

Check this thread and see it for yourself.

I've never seen a guy with a tall dad (6'1~6'2, 185~188cm) get to 183cm (6 feet) with a 160cm mother. It'd be like she wasn't factored into the equation at all. I think you'd need at least a 167cm (5'6) mother.

However, I'm not from the US. I know there is a stupid 6 feet culture there. All the guys probably lie about it and maybe you don't know what that height actually looks like.

[ZUCC420]

I am not from US either dude, yeah I don't know their real heights but it's close to 180 cm. I think at 163 cm it's hard to judge someone's height that are taller than you by 10 cm or more. My cousins always say stuff like 6 ft or more I think they are lying but their fathers are tall like them. Genetics is a funny cruel mofo.

[Tiger9898]

Yap will definitively have to work out the shoulders to make it look legit, @Tiger9898 brah do you think guys at our starting height are privilto eged enough to give a crap about proportions or head size or some bull ? I honestly just want to be tall and functioning that's enough for me.

But i just would like to look normal, I don't wanna see other people saying me that you have odd long legs after 10 cm on both segments but it is impossible unfortunately...
Maybe doing mock ups would be best thing.  Anyone knows how to do mock up?  I did in Microsoft but it is not good enough

[The Dreamer]

The people on here who think you can spread apart your limbs by a full goddamn 5-6 inches and keep a normal gait and be healthy for the rest of your life are DELUSIONAL. And will cause a lot of problems for other people and themselves

You moron,tell me who is wanting here to lengthen 5/6 inches
for segment,tell me one
Only in old forum there was this situation and all of us know how it ended up,so now we have all conservative targets
Those guys were talking about doing 4/5 inches meaning that the want to lengthen both femur and tibias,doing so it is a realistic target.Assume max 2 inches on tibias and 2/3 on femurs
And why are you here ? Always crying how bad and terrible LL is.We all know that it isn't easy,so do your LL or go back playing with your Iron Man puppet
Because of people like him that this forum is becoming useless

[Tiger9898]

You moron,tell me who is wanting here to lengthen 5/6 inches
for segment,tell me one
Only in old forum there was this situation and all of us know how it ended up,so now we have all conservative targets
Those guys were talking about doing 4/5 inches meaning that the want to lengthen both femur and tibias,doing so it is a realistic target.Assume max 2 inches on tibias and 2/3 on femurs
And why are you here ? Always crying how bad and terrible LL is.We all know that it isn't easy,so do your LL or go back playing with your Iron Man puppet
Because of people like him that this forum is becoming useless

Someone deleted his useless comment. LOL😁

[CaptainAmerica]

You moron,tell me who is wanting here to lengthen 5/6 inches
for segment,tell me one
Only in old forum there was this situation and all of us know how it ended up,so now we have all conservative targets
Those guys were talking about doing 4/5 inches meaning that the want to lengthen both femur and tibias,doing so it is a realistic target.Assume max 2 inches on tibias and 2/3 on femurs
And why are you here ? Always crying how bad and terrible LL is.We all know that it isn't easy,so do your LL or go back playing with your Iron Man puppet
Because of people like him that this forum is becoming useless

Body Builder and plenty of people. There is even a goddamn person in this thread wanting to go from 5’4 to 5’9. Also I was exaggerating, but still 4, 5, 6 all bad. Anything over 3 probably disastrous long term.

Also useless? You’re the fking moron. I’m the first person in this forum to bring skepticism to this place in a long time. I’m trying to talk about proportions, lengthening amounts, and the reality of all of LL in general.

What, do you want all of us to go on and on about how height is everything and how 3 inches will turn your life upside down and get men to bow and women to bend over? Are you mad that this is what you believe and that I’m the only one here challenging it?

You’re the fking useless one, wanting LL at 5’10.  Here’s the truth: you’re an ugly and insecure guy and you found yourself here because of that. No good looking or even or even average 5’10 guy would ever find an LL forum much less sign up and consider the surgery himself. You think being 6’1 will change your life but it won’t, I also know plenty of ugly guys 5’11, 6 and even 6’2 who are still ugly and insecure and still aren’t content with themselves or their lives.

This obviously angers you deeply because you know it to be true, and that’s why you’re getting mad even though I am doing nothing but sharing healthy knowledge and skepticism with this community, doing nothing but try and help us all make better decisions.

There wasn’t even anything in this thread relative to you, but you just had to attack me because you know the things I’ve told you before are true, thats how badly these truths burn you deep down inside. You probably spend your nights awake in bed thinking about my forum posts seething with rage and anger that I am shattering your illusions, but don’t be mad, it is healthier to have a realistic view of this world than to fail in your own delusions.

[CaptainAmerica]

Someone deleted his useless comment. LOL😁

No one deleted anything.

[Knik]

Check this thread and see it for yourself.

I've never seen a guy with a tall dad (6'1~6'2, 185~188cm) get to 183cm (6 feet) with a 160cm mother. It'd be like she wasn't factored into the equation at all. I think you'd need at least a 167cm (5'6) mother.

However, I'm not from the US. I know there is a stupid 6 feet culture there. All the guys probably lie about it and maybe you don't know what that height actually looks like.

In Europe it's 1m80 in the USA it's 6ft
but it looks so unbearable in the USA

[ZUCC420]

@CaptainAmerica Brah why are you being so rude? Of course you would know ugly tall people cause you hangout with these losers. Don't you know the average of some countries is fking 183 cm. It's as if you yourself are insecure and scared to do more than 2 inches of CLL and started pushing your opinions on other people.

[Knik]

@CaptainAmerica Brah why are you being so rude? Of course you would know ugly tall people cause you hangout with these losers. Don't you know the average of some countries is fking 183 cm. It's as if you yourself are insecure and scared to do more than 2 inches of CLL and started pushing your opinions on other people.

except Netherlands where official average is 182 cm (actually it's 2m50 according to Reddit) there is nowhere where 6ft is average
and 182 cm isn't exactly 6ft 
and I don't believe that dinaric alps average while croatian average is about 5-10

[CaptainAmerica]

@CaptainAmerica Brah why are you being so rude? Of course you would know ugly tall people cause you hangout with these losers. Don't you know the average of some countries is fking 183 cm. It's as if you yourself are insecure and scared to do more than 2 inches of CLL and started pushing your opinions on other people.

Yes I’m rightfully scared of doing more than 2 inches of LL because I don’t want to look like a freak like APO and be in a wheelchair at 35.

Lol at saying I hang out with losers. Nice guess, I know happy successful people at 6’3 6’4 as well but people here seem to think that their lives will be turned around by going from 5’10 to 6’. It doesn’t work like that. Good looks and social status are far more important for respect from men and attention from women, that’s the reality, height is 20% of the equation and even less after 5’9.


Since you personally insulted me I’ll insult you as well. You’re 5’4. That’s game over. You will look comical no matter how much LL you get because of your small body frame. So do what you want and get 5 inches. You also sound low IQ and like 15 years old so I don’t think you’ll ever figure out how to earn enough money or get this surgery in the first place. Good luck!

[ZUCC420]

Yeah I also find it hard to believe the average could be 6ft, the highest it could be 5'11 in those Scandinavian countries.

[Tiger9898]

No one deleted anything.

But I don't see your previous comment
Hmm okay, there is also something that I would like to say
Do you know the feeling of being 162? I know..  You don't have any hope to be taller or average. You are just going to be short again after 10 cm when you are 162.  I wish my starting height was 165 or 168 so that 6 -7 cm on one segment would be enough for me. I know it will be running my proportions after 10 cm lengthening but there is nothing to do. I know if I do 6 cm on femur or tibia I still will be depressed about my height.   
In terms of my plan, I didn't mean I will be doing both segments at the same time. I am just thinking about 6cm femur this summer and 4 cm tibia after 3_4 years. (also arm lengthening can be option). I know it is easier than done,  it is very risky, it can cause me to lost my ability to walk again, but what can I do?

[Knik]

Yeah I also find it hard to believe the average could be 6ft, the highest it could be 5'11 in those Scandinavian countries.

Stats for Scandinavia are not over 5-11. Most likely 178 / 179 cm which make them taller than south europeans by some centimeters. But the "tall scandinavians" is rather a myth.

[ZUCC420]

@CaptainAmerica Talk about butthurt, dude you sound like a kid. What are you the fking Jesus of CLL. Is your words the gospel?? Unlike you that has been in this forum for 2 years and still hadn't had CLL I had already saved money for the operation. Please get a life dude why do you even hangout out here?? LOL I think i need atleast 5000IQ to comprehend what your goal is staying here.

[CaptainAmerica]

@CaptainAmerica Talk about butthurt, dude you sound like a kid. What are you the fking Jesus of CLL. Is your words the gospel?? Unlike you that has been in this forum for 2 years and still hadn't had CLL I had already saved money for the operation. Please get a life dude why do you even hangout out here?? LOL I think i need atleast 5000IQ to comprehend what your goal is staying here.

I’m saving up the money I needed for Paley, and I also only joined this place when I was 17. Surprisingly because of my genius IQ I nearly have $130,000 already just now at the age of 20. But I’m sure that is nowhere near as good as the $15,000 you’ve scrounged together to go get it done in India , I could do that as well right now, but I realize the gravity of this surgery, and I also realize that this surgery probably won’t have as big of an effect on my life as I think, so better to get it done in the safest and healthiest way as possible, than to be not only disappointed but also immobilized or being tortured in India.

[ZUCC420]

This obviously angers you deeply because you know it to be true, and that’s why you’re getting mad even though I am doing nothing but sharing healthy knowledge and skepticism with this community, doing nothing but try and help us all make better decisions.

There wasn’t even anything in this thread relative to you, but you just had to attack me because you know the things I’ve told you before are true, thats how badly these truths burn you deep down inside. You probably spend your nights awake in bed thinking about my forum posts seething with rage and anger that I am shattering your illusions, but don’t be mad, it is healthier to have a realistic view of this world than to fail in your own delusions.

Jesus what a psychopath, assume much?? You sound like those Incels that can't get laid and always talk about how high IQ and Looks you will need to get laid LOL.

[7231]

I’m saving up the money I needed for Paley, and I also only joined this place when I was 17. Surprisingly because of my genius IQ I nearly have $130,000 already just now at the age of 20. But I’m sure that is nowhere near as good as the $15,000 you’ve scrounged together to go get it done in India , I could do that as well right now, but I realize the gravity of this surgery, and I also realize that this surgery probably won’t have as big of an effect on my life as I think, so better to get it done in the safest and healthiest way as possible, than to be not only disappointed but also immobilized or being tortured in India.

Please do not disparage other members and countries. We are all friends, brothers, sisters here please do not bring animosity.

[CaptainAmerica]

And I appreciate the Christ-like comparison, I do think that's pretty accurate, I am the Jesus Christ of LL, I am the savior here to save manlets from a lifetime of medical problems and BDD and staring in the mirror and afraid of taking photos with other people or afraid of wearing clothes because of how their body is proportioned. And just like Jesus Christ, you all want to crucify me for sharing this information.

If I can get at least one manlet to change his mind from doing 5 or 6 inches and instead maybe doing 3 and living a healthier life and looking more proportioned, then my gospel will be well heard and all worth it. The last thing I want is another person having year-long complications, feeling pain when they walk, being in a wheelchair, etc.. all over 1-2 inches of height that wouldn't have made that much of a difference anyway.

Obviously if everything was fine dandy and healthy I would be advocating for 5, 6, 7, 8 inches. But that's just not the reality. You have to take what you've got from life, be thankful that LL even exists, and then optimize for aesthetics and health.