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Re: (Bio-)medical height increase research projects
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2018, 01:45:45 PM »

Is this a joke ? Height is almost all due to genetic,malnutrition can take away max 1 cm,not more
What a load of crap. I wish people would stop talking about something that they have no idea of.
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« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2018, 02:09:04 PM »

Malnutrition is clearly not a problem in the USA. If you are in middle class you can give to your child a decent nutrition, no excuse. Also somalian people are not short. Probably a good genetic.

For hormone therapy, it's seems that people here think it's easy and without any risks. If you're child have no problems, he will not magically win 20 cm. You're dreaming. If you are a 5'4 father you can still have tall children, genetic is strange and fascinating. But here you should ask a specialist.
You should read medical studies about it to be convinced it's not a magic potion. And results are not sure. I saw here some people say that the therapy would bring a 5'5 child to a 6ft tall. He is dreaming.
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« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2018, 08:44:14 PM »

Clearly there's some misunderstanding. Let me quote myself, with emphasis:

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maybe we first need to tackle bigger problems like malnutrition, which has an immediate impact in addition to increasing height over time.

This means over generations, not in one person's lifetime. The point was that I'd rather spend my money on a well-rounded charity that's also tax deductible. Like I said, for individuals, there's CLL. I even said "consider" growth hormones for my hypothetical kids.
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« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2018, 09:35:11 PM »

I have lost respect to some of the members here...

 If people here actually believe this is not a scam "first donate, and afterwards you will get information" than their level of stupidity is beyond repair....
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« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2018, 09:54:37 PM »

I have lost respect to some of the members here...

 If people here actually believe this is not a scam "first donate, and afterwards you will get information" than their level of stupidity is beyond repair....
The point is not if this is a scam or not
The point is that people that want to pay more than 10.000€ for LL are not willing to donate 100€ for a crowdfunding
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« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2018, 10:36:06 PM »

If it would have been legit, they would have donated much more trust me
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« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2018, 01:25:01 AM »

The point is not if this is a scam or not
The point is that people that want to pay more than 10.000€ for LL are not willing to donate 100€ for a crowdfunding
The point is that I prefer to give 100 euros to a homeless person than for something that is IMPOSSIBLE for the next 50 years at least, even if someone gathera now 1 billion dollars.

So no, I personally don't believe that my money would go to a realistic cause thats why I won't support it even if it is not a scam.
There is a way to get taller, relatively safe with good results but pricey and needs a lot of time.
Thats the way it is for all of us and the next generation for sure.
That won't change no matter how much money will give for research for tenths of years.
So I don't care what will happen when I will be very old or dead, I prefer to give my money for something that will help someone in the present that research of the distant future.
If you think that by giving 100 euros there will be a result in less than 50 years in how people get taller then donate, noone prevents you.
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« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2018, 01:23:46 PM »

Dear TIBIKE200,
of course it wouldn´t work with donating before getting additional information, That´s why I said, that I would have to find a researcher, who doesn´t want to protect his ideas with strict confidentiality agreements. Of course this researcher would have to explain his research project idea to the general public. Only if we find such a researcher, a small donation attempt would make sense.

Dear Body Builder,
I don´t think, that it would take so long to develop a safe and effective biomedical height increase therapy, if sufficient funding was available, e.g. the Hong Kong research proposal is based on rabbit studies with a tissue engineered growth plate implant. The bioengineered growth plate was implanted into partially damaged proximal tibial physes of adolescent rabbits.  The implanted 3-D chondroycte pellet incorporated well with the host tissue with no sign of rejection. The next step would be to produce artificial growth plate in a larger size for complete growth plate reconstruction and future clinical application in humans. As there are already promissing animal studies, human clinical trials could be realistic within 3-4 years after we find a funding source.
Concerning short term possibilities I am also quite optimistic concerning spinal disc regeneration research. With some specific modifications for the indication "height increase" this could lead to a safe and effective torso lengthening method. A very interesting biotech company in this field of research is e.g. Mesoblast. They are currently doing phase 3 human clinical trials with a disc regeneration therapy: http://www.mesoblast.com/product-candidates/spine-orthopedic-disorders/chronic-discogenic-low-back-pain We haven´t contacted Mesoblast yet, but we will surely do so, if we find a funding source.

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Re: (Bio-)medical height increase research projects
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2018, 03:55:00 PM »

Now i ask someting.

 if you have to mold/ re-code a genome or DNA

Isent it the same technic you would/could use for Everyting in the human Body ?
Not just hieght but eye color, hand size , skin color and so on ?

It Sounds like a vary big project to me to chance the human Body from within the genome
And a projekt with even greater posebelities Then just hieght increase.

It sounds like a side-projekt on the allready ongoing CRISPR  research
 best of luck with it.

I just Think you could get more funding if you did the project on a wider field.

That being Said im not a professor so its just what i Think about it. 

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« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2018, 10:26:15 AM »

Dear TIBIKE200,
of course it wouldn´t work with donating before getting additional information, That´s why I said, that I would have to find a researcher, who doesn´t want to protect his ideas with strict confidentiality agreements. Of course this researcher would have to explain his research project idea to the general public. Only if we find such a researcher, a small donation attempt would make sense.

Dear Body Builder,
I don´t think, that it would take so long to develop a safe and effective biomedical height increase therapy, if sufficient funding was available, e.g. the Hong Kong research proposal is based on rabbit studies with a tissue engineered growth plate implant. The bioengineered growth plate was implanted into partially damaged proximal tibial physes of adolescent rabbits.  The implanted 3-D chondroycte pellet incorporated well with the host tissue with no sign of rejection. The next step would be to produce artificial growth plate in a larger size for complete growth plate reconstruction and future clinical application in humans. As there are already promissing animal studies, human clinical trials could be realistic within 3-4 years after we find a funding source.
Concerning short term possibilities I am also quite optimistic concerning spinal disc regeneration research. With some specific modifications for the indication "height increase" this could lead to a safe and effective torso lengthening method. A very interesting biotech company in this field of research is e.g. Mesoblast. They are currently doing phase 3 human clinical trials with a disc regeneration therapy: http://www.mesoblast.com/product-candidates/spine-orthopedic-disorders/chronic-discogenic-low-back-pain We haven´t contacted Mesoblast yet, but we will surely do so, if we find a funding source.

Best wishes
Harald

If you can't share information, then which of the research projects do you think is more promising?
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« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2018, 02:36:45 PM »

Dear jojo,
CRISPR is a specific form of gene therapy called gene editing, as it can edit and "repair" faulty genes. Other gene therapies work by adding a healthy gene with a gene vector (= a gene "taxi" e.g. a harmless virus or a liposome). In the past gene delivery into enough cells has been the most important obstacle. But the gene vectors have improved significantly during the last few years and now several gene therapies are approved around the world, e.g. against blood cancer ( http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/ct-gene-therapy-for-blood-cancer-20171018-story.html ) and against hereditary blindness ( http://ir.sparktx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/fda-approves-spark-therapeutics-luxturnatm-voretigene-neparvovec ). This is also good news for other indications, as most gene therapies have a similar principle.

Dear myloginacct,
my personal favorite is the Canadian research proposal concerning a medical device technology (probably in combination with a stretching device). The technology has already been tested in human patients for jaw and tooth growth indications. The researchers think, that the same technology has probably also the potential to grow other bones (e.g. leg bones) in adults - in the best case non-invasively. The Technology Transfer Office suggests the following way to commercialization: in the first 2 years a specific bone growth and height increase device is developed and tested in rabbits (cost: about 270.000 dollars), during the next 1,5 years the device is tested in dogs (cost: about 750.000 dollars). After that the technology could e.g. be licensed to an existing medical company, which conducts the final human trials and brings the medical device to the mass market. Seed investors would receive a significant percentage of the licensing deal with the company. The founding of a start-up company would also be an interesting option.

Best wishes
Harald
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« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2018, 06:25:09 AM »

It's such a shame that the only person I've ever seen talking about funding height increase research is a scammer like this guy.

The sheer amount of research and upcoming treatments for male pattern baldness make it seem like heaven compared to being short. Having nothing but an athletically crippling surgery as a "fix" for the problem is so depressing.
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« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2018, 08:19:08 AM »

The sheer amount of research and upcoming treatments for male pattern baldness make it seem like heaven compared to being short. Having nothing but an athletically crippling surgery as a "fix" for the problem is so depressing.

Probably because balding slowly creeps up on older men, and it's associated with aging, much like graying hair. Suddenly losing your hair due to illness, hormonal change, or accidents like fire can also have an immediate emotional impact, which is more jarring than height that is for the most part static.
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« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2018, 02:16:32 PM »

It's such a shame that the only person I've ever seen talking about funding height increase research is a scammer like this guy.

The sheer amount of research and upcoming treatments for male pattern baldness make it seem like heaven compared to being short. Having nothing but an athletically crippling surgery as a "fix" for the problem is so depressing.
The social issue of height sooner or later will came out,it is a matter of time
We could wait it or do something:we could start a crowdfunding with all the active members of the forum and then we could delegate someone trustworthy to contact more trasparent researchers
This person could be for example the admin/user MUSE which had spent a lot of time contacting doctors through the world for the forum,so he already has informations or atleast can get some tips.Obviously he would be paid
If there is the willing,everything can be tried
I'm asking to not be selfish,100€ for a new hope is nothing considering that all of us are projecting to spend more than 10.000€ for a risky operation
At this point what we have to loose ?
Think about this,all of you
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« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2018, 05:45:32 PM »

The social issue of height sooner or later will came out,it is a matter of time
We could wait it or do something:we could start a crowdfunding with all the active members of the forum and then we could delegate someone trustworthy to contact more trasparent researchers
This person could be for example the admin/user MUSE which had spent a lot of time contacting doctors through the world for the forum,so he already has informations or atleast can get some tips.Obviously he would be paid
If there is the willing,everything can be tried
I'm asking to not be selfish,100€ for a new hope is nothing considering that all of us are projecting to spend more than 10.000€ for a risky operation
At this point what we have to loose ?
Think about this,all of you

I like the way you think. You have initiative and hope. I'm just not hopeful. We'd get at most 50 users donating. We'd need to crowdfund it on a big site and we'd need to have an extremely competent manager, good logistics, and super good transparency.
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« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2018, 09:00:51 PM »

I like the way you think. You have initiative and hope. I'm just not hopeful. We'd get at most 50 users donating. We'd need to crowdfund it on a big site and we'd need to have an extremely competent manager, good logistics, and super good transparency.
No one is denying that LL is actually the most realistic option
But in tandem of LL's project we could start to support an alternative option.At this point we don't loose anything
I feel there is the need for a new hope
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« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2018, 12:05:49 AM »

Probably because balding slowly creeps up on older men, and it's associated with aging, much like graying hair. Suddenly losing your hair due to illness, hormonal change, or accidents like fire can also have an immediate emotional impact, which is more jarring than height that is for the most part static.

That's an interesting theory. It's certainly possible. My personal theory is that short stature has less funding/interest behind it because it's rarer than male pattern baldness.

http://www.americanhairloss.org/men_hair_loss/introduction.asp

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Androgenetic alopecia or common male pattern baldness (MPB) accounts for more than 95% of hair loss in men. By the age of thirty-five two-thirds of American men will experience some degree of appreciable hair loss, and by the age of fifty approximately 85% of men have significantly thinning hair. Approximately twenty five percent of men who suffer with male pattern baldness begin the painful process before they reach the age of twenty-one.

So by 21, 25% of men will have begun balding noticeably, and by 35, the figure rises to ~66.6666666666...%

Meanwhile, the posters on this board who are noticeably short are at the 13th percentile (for a 5'6" man) or below for male height. It's a much rarer problem to have, which unfortunately means it naturally gets less attention. If being short was as common as balding, we'd have a much better solution than distraction osteogenesis by now.

The social issue of height sooner or later will came out,it is a matter of time
We could wait it or do something:we could start a crowdfunding with all the active members of the forum and then we could delegate someone trustworthy to contact more trasparent researchers
This person could be for example the admin/user MUSE which had spent a lot of time contacting doctors through the world for the forum,so he already has informations or atleast can get some tips.Obviously he would be paid
If there is the willing,everything can be tried
I'm asking to not be selfish,100€ for a new hope is nothing considering that all of us are projecting to spend more than 10.000€ for a risky operation
At this point what we have to loose ?
Think about this,all of you

This is an excellent idea and is in fact what I was getting at with all my posts about how we should focus on research and such on this forum. I would be more than happy to contribute to such an effort, both in terms of money and time.

The only reason I hadn't suggested it yet is basically this:

I like the way you think. You have initiative and hope. I'm just not hopeful. We'd get at most 50 users donating. We'd need to crowdfund it on a big site and we'd need to have an extremely competent manager, good logistics, and super good transparency.

Our community just isn't big enough. We need more people, or at least short men who are wealthy and would be willing to contribute large amounts. My entire modus operandi at this point is working to make as much money as I can so that I can afford to contribute to an effort like this.

I've been reaching out to other short men who are interested in increasing their height, telling them about this site. Sadly the fact that the focus is on distraction osteogenesis puts many of them off (understandably, they don't want to have a barbaric surgery like this done, even though their height makes them miserable), but there's really not many other options. There are no old forums for height increase efforts/research that are active.
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« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2018, 05:40:22 AM »

Yeah buddy, the last time someone made great recommendations(SYSOP aka. Apo) such as this, patients got sent to Sarin for some butchering. This is obviously some kind of scam. Its more realistic to cure cancer sooner than this, and its hilarious that 300,000 euro could do all this when it would take millions to billions :D 
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« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2018, 07:43:57 AM »

Yeah buddy, the last time someone made great recommendations(SYSOP aka. Apo) such as this, patients got sent to Sarin for some butchering. This is obviously some kind of scam. Its more realistic to cure cancer sooner than this, and its hilarious that 300,000 euro could do all this when it would take millions to billions :D
Leave out the posts of user Harald,we are talking about a generical crowfunding
I basically see 2 categories that can be against this proposal:fools and CLL doctors
Fools because they are not willing to spend a little sum which won't stop them from doing LL
The second category is pretty obvious:if we manage to find an alternative to LL,hungrymoney like Paley will loose a millionaire business
To which one do you belong ?
I bet those doctors are paying users to discourage proposal like this or to obstruct any attempt of research
The height question has to be highlighted first of all by short people,has to be brought at the attention of researchers
If we won't do this,crappy problems like baldness will continue to get attention instead of height
LL is not the future,as a community we can do this
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« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2018, 07:40:26 PM »

Dear The Dreamer,

it´s great, that you have obviously a lot of motivation to start a crowdfunding campaign. If I understand your postings correctly, you don´t want, that our "Biomedical Growth Research Initiative" plays a major part in this campaign. This would be O.K. for me, of course. But if you want our support and/or our advice, we will like helping!!!

FDR101 already wrote, that besides the so called "cosmetic indication" other indications would be helpful in order to attract enough donators for a crowdfunding campaign. So here are some other indication, for which a safe and effective (bio-)medical height increase therapy could be important:

- Microsomia:
This is the terminology for a body size of between 80 and 150 centimetres. Frequently a normal torso and short legs and/or arms result in proportions which are far from ideal. This can cause enormous daily restrictions when sitting or driving. These problems could be solved. The proportions of the arms and legs in relation to the torso could be corrected.
By far the most frequently diagnosed cause of short stature is achondroplasia, a genetic condition that results in disproportionately short arms and legs. The average height of adults with achondroplasia is 4'0". Other genetic conditions that result in short stature include spondyloepiphyseal dysplasia congenita (SED), diastrophic dysplasia, pseudoachondroplasia, hypochondroplasia, and osteogenesis imperfecta (OI).
According to information compiled by the Greenberg Center at Johns Hopkins Medical Center the frequency of occurrence of the most common types of dwarfism is as follows:
1.   Achondroplasia (one per 26,000 to 40,000 births) – so there are about 195.000 people with achondroplasia worldwide (http://www.dwarfism.org )
2.   SED (one per 95,000 births)
3.   Diastrophic dysplasia (one per 110,000 births)
These conditions are essentially untreatable, although some people with achondroplasia and hypochondroplasia have undergone painful (and controversial) limb-lengthening surgery. Although achondroplasia accounts for perhaps 70-80 percent of all cases of dwarfism, there are approximately 200 diagnosed types, and some individuals with dwarfism never receive a definitive diagnosis.

- Growth problems/defects:
For example when there is a growth joint defect leading to unequal growth of the
legs. This unequal growth could be corrected.

- Amputation:
Generally speaking it causes less prosthetic problems when dealing with a longer stump. So a signifcant percentage of patients with amputated limbs could benefit.
In the United States alone, there are approximately 1.8 million people living with limb loss. It is estimated that one out of every 200 people in the U.S. has had an amputation (Adams et al. 1999). Between 1988 and 1996, there was an average of 133,735 hospital discharges for amputation per year (Dillingham et al. 2002).
Sources:
Patricia F. Adams, et al, “Current Estimates from the National Health Interview Survey, 1996,” Vital and Health Statistics 10:200 (1999).
Timothy R. Dillingham, MD, et al, “Limb Amputation and Limb Deficiency: Epidemiology and Recent Trends in the United States,” Southern Medical Journal 95 (2002): 875-83.

- Trauma:
As the result of an accident where bones or soft tissue have been seriously damaged. The limb must be shortened to ensure wound healing. This could be successfully corrected.

- The removal of tumors:
When a tumour is diagnosed extensive parts of the bone sometimes have to be removed. Currently this usually means that the leg has to be amputated above that point. If the previously removed bone could be lengthened, the patient had the chance of a fully-functional limb again.

Best wishes
Harald
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« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2018, 02:35:11 PM »

Dear The Dreamer,

it´s great, that you have obviously a lot of motivation to start a crowdfunding campaign. If I understand your postings correctly, you don´t want, that our "Biomedical Growth Research Initiative" plays a major part in this campaign. This would be O.K. for me, of course. But if you want our support and/or our advice, we will like helping!!!

I didn't say that.Since some users were skeptical of your society,I have developed the proposal in a general way,meaning a general crowfunding
However this forum is delusional because people prefer answering to crappy drama topics made by insecure incels instead of discussing useful proposals
If this is the mentality of short guys(and I'm telling this as a not short person,I have an average height),they will loose forever,doomed to see tall guys achieving easilly everything as always
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« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2018, 04:03:47 PM »

Dear The Dreamer,
of course it is not so easy to convince people to donate some money (even if it is a comparatively small sum).
But I would appreciate it very much, if you would be interested in leading the development of a crowdfunding effort. Surely it would be worth the try.

Dear FDR101 and Extremis,
would you be interested in helping to start such a crowdfunding effort?

Is anyone of you brave enough to reveal his identity to the general public for this crowdfunding project? That would surely be necessary.

If yes, I will look for a promissing university research project, that could be published in the internet. As I said: I already have some ideas.
Best wishes
Harald
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