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[Great321]

Professional videos! I can confirm that the facilities look like that.

[CodyTheDog]

Professional videos! I can confirm that the facilities look like that.

1. Aside from his youth,  the (relative) lack of diaries about him, and the relatively smaller number of cosmetic cases done compared to other doctors, what do you feel are the most negative things about this doctor and going to Athens, Greece for the surgery?

2. What do other of his patients who have finished/are close to finishing their journey say about him aside from his nice personality? I mean more on his doctor/surgeon skills

Some people criticized a nail placement or something from a Mahoubian x ray a few years ago if I remember.

[TemakiSushi]

I believe Dr. Giotikas is an underrated doctor. He is a consultant trauma surgeon showing he has extensive education and training to be in this position. He has also done research in minimally invasive knee techniques and has a permanent post in the NHS system so if those residing in Europe, he is probably the better option for them in case things go wrong. Here are videos of him performing Precice surgeries. In my own personal research, I believe Paley/Rozbruch are the best surgeons in the America, Dr. Donghoon in Asia, and it is a possibility Giotikas may be the best in Europe. His pts have not face any functional complications thus far. Good surgery technique, follow-up with patient, has good philosophy, ethics, and responsibility towards patient.

He doesn’t give very good PT, patient having quite a severe contracture and extra surgery to extend  sole muscle which is really risky thing for future complications
In other patient video, he got unnaturally flat feet and probably pronation deformity.  These conditions can produce long term complications such as arthritis and pain when walk
Good doctors never produce complications like them
Also someone reported Dr Giotikas couldn’t do successfully the corrective surgery of the deformity coming from Turkey, and producing more problems upon this corrective surgery

I consider Dr Giotikas is far less than the real experts of CLL
Actually quite dangerous choice
There should be better options than him in EU

[daikioni]

I consider him for surgery with him this year do you have any proof about (patient having quite a severe contracture and extra surgery to extend)? if you have i will propably reconsider. but as far as i know i he is the best choice in europe imo! and i need proof about that if possible (Also someone reported Dr Giotikas couldn’t do successfully the correction surgery of the deformity coming from Turkey,) because he is a Consultant Surgeon in Trauma & Orthopaedics i dont think he would fail to correct a small deformity. ty!

[TemakiSushi]

If you read very carefully the diaries here on this forum, you’ll find what I wrote
Also I recommend to do very deep research before jumping into it, just reading LL Forum is not enough

[daikioni]

i have  Read joliens,great123,zakika and i havent found something about that turkey patient (correction surgery) and patient having quite a severe contracture and extra surgery to extend  sole muscle so. so i will wait for you to send me these!

[TemakiSushi]

Doctor Giotikas said that TSF frames were not necessary, he would fix it with corrective surgery. It turns out that this was not true. If Doctor Giotikas had delivered what he promised, I would be satisfied. But he didn't.

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64280.msg164831#msg164831

[TemakiSushi]

had to stretch my flexors (soles, gastrocnemius etc.), but I didn't need ATL. I don't know the date of my stryde surgery yet, because after the corrective surgery I have to work on my left ankle a lot (quite stiff),

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9073.msg101638#msg101638

[daikioni]

If that's true i'm very sorry! can you upload some x-rays or anything that proves your surgery with dr.giotikas and your accommodation in athens?

[TemakiSushi]

If that's true i'm very sorry! can you upload some x-rays or anything that proves your surgery with dr.giotikas and your accommodation in athens?

They are two different patients of Giotikas, quoted from different posts on this LL Forum

[daikioni]

Can you send me their diaries ? ty!

[Michael01]

My first option in Europe would be Köhne. If Baumgart did stryde, maybe him.

[TemakiSushi]

Can you send me their diaries ? ty!

Added the links in the post
Anyways you really seem to need more research about CLL
Do not decide based on price
Please study more and read more about other doctors also
Please contact veterans, and go visit as many CLL hospitals as possible in EU
Do more comparisons

[daikioni]

Zakika had a corrective surgery its true! he post x-rays seems fine
suddenurge comment: Doctor Giotikas said that TSF frames were not necessary, he would fix it with corrective surgery. It turns out that this was not true. If Doctor Giotikas had delivered what he promised, I would be satisfied. But he didn't. i didnt find any proof that he had corrective surgery with him only that he contact him for advice!

[TemakiSushi]

From The last X-rays of Zakika, frames haven’t even been removed yet, callus not strong enough yet, the photo does not show his ankles
How can you conclude he is doing fine with these X-rays
you probably want to believe Dr Giotikas is good, then become blind not seeing these facts
Also in the other patients video, flat feet and pronation deformity is seen
To protect your future and all readers future, Please study more and keep watching things objectively

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9073.msg102538#msg102538

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9370.msg166909#msg166909

[daikioni]

Zakika comment March 10, 2019, 10:42:22 PM: last post: Guys, there are many reasons, when somebody is online, and is not writing, I'm fine, I released the struts on both legs, and the frames will be removed on the next week (end of it). Paranoid people please don't post, rather read back diaries, when candidates are not writing for weeks, and after than report their experiences.
I think (as I wrote before), that the basic infos are very useful here, but generally this forum is rather toxic, than beneficial for someone undergoing a real adventure. This is my very last post on this forum, good luck for every candidates!
Also xrays shows good callus formation in my eyes: x-rays was at February 16, 2019, 08:22:39 AM. i dont know how to post his x-rays!

[TemakiSushi]

The X-ray you are talking about is far from full consolidation
You keep asking me the proof but you conclude he’s doing fine without any proof only his words
Why is it? It is the sign of blindness I should say
But anyways, I warn you enough here, do what ever you want
I only hope you are fine after a few years post op and for your life

[daikioni]

I literally copy paste his comment and i said that in my eyes his x-rays are good because it shows good callus i never said he had full consolidation but i think it shows that he will! also i ask for proof all the time we are both strangers i think its only logical After all the fake infos,diaries in the forum!
Anyway i think giotikas is the best option for me personally!  we agree to disagree hope the best for you and your future cll!

[TemakiSushi]

Also there’s no 3D X-rays at this hospital
It will be harder to control rotational deformities
Even with femurs there can be some deformities upon surgery if doctor is not meticulous

[limewalk]

Dr Lee has 3d xray? How does Lee control rotation deformity?

Paley also takes only AP lateral xray during every visit. Paley has less ability to control deformity than Lee?

[TemakiSushi]

Dr Lee has 3d xray? How does Lee control rotation deformity?

Paley also takes only AP lateral xray during every visit. Paley has less ability to control deformity than Lee?

Did you see the video of OYG with x-leg?
Paley does only one leg and other leg is done by other doctor
I don’t think it’s good

Dr Lee actually changes surgery plan depending on degree of deformities and if you do both segments or not
Surgery is not something simple nor one-method-fits-all thing.

They do have EOS 3D X-ray
Nuvasive Nails are fixed when surgery is done. Impossible to adjust after surgery with Nuvasive nails
Preop diagnosis is very important

[limewalk]

If it is only in the beginning then yes Paley also takes EOS scan. Parihar takes CT scan.

So there is no difference.

Did you see the video of OYG with x-leg?
Paley does only one leg and other leg is done by other doctor
I don’t think it’s good

It looks Dr Lee is the only perfect doctor in todays world. Other doctors either dont have technology or experience or work from poor nations or are not concerned about the patients or just want to make money. I think there will be a huge surge of patients to Dr Lee from all doctors around the world soon.

[TemakiSushi]

Simple CT isn’t comparable to 3D X-rays
Does Giotikas or Parihar have 3D CT?

There’s big difference between 3D and non3D diagnosis

[Infinity]

If it is only in the beginning then yes Paley also takes EOS scan. Parihar takes CT scan.

Very well put. This guy is so blatant in his shilling, I wonder if he is on a payroll;)

So there is no difference.

It looks Dr Lee is the only perfect doctor in todays world. Other doctors either dont have technology or experience or work from poor nations or are not concerned about the patients or just want to make money. I think there will be a huge surge of patients to Dr Lee from all doctors around the world soon.

[Infinity]

If it is only in the beginning then yes Paley also takes EOS scan. Parihar takes CT scan.

So there is no difference.

It looks Dr Lee is the only perfect doctor in todays world. Other doctors either dont have technology or experience or work from poor nations or are not concerned about the patients or just want to make money. I think there will be a huge surge of patients to Dr Lee from all doctors around the world soon.

Very well put. This Guy is so blatant in his shilling, I wonder if he is on a payroll.

[TemakiSushi]

Give me the name of excellent doctors
I’m so thirsty for that

Actually Limewalk is the one who started asking about Lee on this thread
Is he a shill???

[limewalk]

Ok TemakiSushi you said this

Also there’s no 3D X-rays at this hospital

How do you know? Are you sure?

Actually Limewalk is the one who started asking about Lee on this thread
Is he a shill???

I am just asking out of curiosity. If doctor X has a flaw, then I want to find out if Dr Lee also has the flaw. I asked you TemashiSushi because you seem to know about Lee well.

[limewalk]

Simple CT isn’t comparable to 3D X-rays
Does Giotikas or Parihar have 3D CT?

There’s big difference between 3D and non3D diagnosis

Isn't CT 3D? CT takes images of slices of the bone and can be finally seen in 3D. The only disadvantage is CT is very high radiation.

Anyway I don't know if Parihar uses CT for diagnosis but he uses it to order the right size of nails.

[TemakiSushi]

simple CT and 3D CT
Imagings are very different

exchanged emails with doctors EU, US, and Asia who provide Stryde or will provide it in near future
Also I’ve done quite a bit of research behind this forum, collecting information which never will appear on open forum like this

Many writers of diaries cannot be truthful due to the pressures from doctors or litigation issues
So readers really need to be very careful when reading dairies
Many only seek affirmation about the doctor they are interested, that is dangerous behavioral pattern
Also it’s better to stay away from doctors who are new or doesn’t have much experience in the cosmetic LL
You don’t wanna be a guinea pig

I used to work for a hospital so I get some technical opinions from medical staffs including orthopedists

BTW EOS 3D X-rays are something not commonly owned worldwide
In Japan there were only 2 university hospitals who have it as of last year

[limewalk]

Ok Temaki please continue posting your insights. So far it looks like only Lee is the undisputed best doctor and checks all the boxes:

- good CLL experience
- good LL experience
- 3D scans
- good rehab after LL
- developed country South Korea
- has not caused any deformity in any patient
- good video evidence.

[TemakiSushi]

However I’ve seen some living evidences also,  I am not yet a total believer of CLL nor Donghoon so I keep researching, although I have already reservations 

Think whatever you think
I’m only sharing my opinions whenever I encounter dangerous information here
So that people once stop and think very carefully to protect their future, time, health and money

Who doesn’t say “watch out” when someone is about to fall into a pond unintentionally