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[419]

I remember seeing comments here and old forum  on some people saying height is not a big factor. I also know that some surgeons do a psychic evaluation of why a LL aspirant wants to do LL.

Wanted to share my mind on this (and this is what I will tell to the doctor, i don't care if they deem me unfit for the surgery based on this reply) - I have won high;profile quiz competition awards where people were dazzled by my knowledge, I have traveled to dozens of countries, had a very interesting life, am highly educated, am very kind hearted (adore animals, kids, people. do lot of charity - like 30% of my income goes to charity), know 5 languages, I never lie (always speak truth), am good looking, I am 5'4". And then I see people who have never been outside of their village/town, average in education, knowledge , cruel minded (beat animals etc.), liers/cheaters but are taller. Guess what? if a random person (read woman/girl) looks at us, the taller guy will look more interesting and I look not interesting, in clubs the taller guy (no matter how insignificant he is in real life) stands out, i don't. Do I deserve this? I am a far more interesting person, a far better soul but my body matters above all? and do these (otherwise useless) tall guys deserve to look more attractive/interesting? no. God is not fair and I want to look like what I am. hence, LL is the 'equalizer'  , the one that creates level playing field.

[Android]

Not much about deserving for me, too karmic. Newborns have no say about their physical attributes or even where they're born.

You can't choose your parents, so you can't choose your height. You can choose to be happy with your height, but I'm not. I'm objectively shorter than average, and since I've put in the hard work to earn enough money, I've made the choice to do something about it.

Unlike gaining muscle or losing weight, changing your wardrobe and accessorizing, height is static. Thanks to CLL that's no longer the case, so I'd rather take this risk than think "what if?" for years to come.

[419]

Not much about deserving for me, too karmic. Newborns have no say about their physical attributes or even where they're born.

You can't choose your parents, so you can't choose your height. You can choose to be happy with your height, but I'm not. I'm objectively shorter than average, and since I've put in the hard work to earn enough money, I've made the choice to do something about it.

Unlike gaining muscle or losing weight, changing your wardrobe and accessorizing, height is static. Thanks to CLL that's no longer the case, so I'd rather take this risk than think "what if?" for years to come.

makes sense.  For me - it is primarily like I feel I 'deserve' to be taller and something unfair has been done to me (by making me shorter), but of course the 'what if' factor is also big factor, life is one and nobody should wonder 'what if'  in death bed. I can assure you the answer to 'what if' will be good, height cannot be negative, it will be helpful. Though in the parents factor (or genes factor) I am not much sure (though I am a science student) from my observation it is primary nutrition/lifestyle kids get/choose, genes/parents factors come distant second.

[myloginacct]

Not everyone judges based on looks. Also, lots of really good people also look really bad. So I don't see height as a matter of deserving it or not; it wouldn't stop at just height. I do get your point, however.

Have you already tried using lifts plus any form of elevated shoes if you only care about the social perception you get from height?

As for myself, I'd like to get taller to have peace of mind. I'd reach my father's height and never have to think about it again.

[Body Builder]

I tried my best to improve all my aspects in my appearance and general in myself and now I am a 29 yo man with a good looking face (I go for grooming every 15-20 days), big muscles with less than 15% fat, good style and clothes, a high education diploma and a better than average job.
But still I don't get the attention I would and I can't many women I could only because I am not tall enough.
So I tried very hard to improve everything I could physically and my only drawback (not big after my first LL but still drawback) is my height.
So I really believe I deserve a second LL and a better height to become a completely fulfilled person and get all the things I tried and worked for.

[Tiger9898]

Hello,sorry for writing irrelevant question,  but is there anyone knows how can I  share post in the forum.

[Android]

Hello,sorry for writing irrelevant question,  but is there anyone knows how can I  share post in the forum.

You want to post a new topic? Choose a relevant section like Limb Lengthening Discussions or Off Topic, then click on NEW TOPIC; it's located top right of the threads.

[Tiger9898]

Got it)  thank you very much)

[dean9191]

Praskash i want to clear something up. U accused me of insulting u for being indian. But u didn't im an asain myself too. India is way better than my country. But I've lived in Europe for a long time so I know the standards. When u opened the thread about dr.parihars clinic, by asking whether ur indian I meant the appearance won't be much of a suprise to u if u were an indian. For me i don't expect European standards in my country or india but i know we have cleaver doctors like any other region. Anyway u sound like an awesome guy

[Purushrottam]

I tried my best to improve all my aspects in my appearance and general in myself and now I am a 29 yo man with a good looking face (I go for grooming every 15-20 days), big muscles with less than 15% fat, good style and clothes, a high education diploma and a better than average job.
But still I don't get the attention I would and I can't many women I could only because I am not tall enough.
So I tried very hard to improve everything I could physically and my only drawback (not big after my first LL but still drawback) is my height.
So I really believe I deserve a second LL and a better height to become a completely fulfilled person and get all the things I tried and worked for.

Bodybuilder, how tall are you if you don't mind me asking?

[Purushrottam]

Prakash,

   I'm not 5'6" anymore, but when I was, I never perceived that I was "short" in India. Of course, the experience at 5'4" is completely different. I never perceived the level of heightism in India that I did in the US. Our Prime Minister is barely 5'8". Our former President was like 5'2". Aamir Khan and Sachin Tendulkar are both below 5'4".

However Hollywood and Bollywood might be changing perceptions now. The average height of 18 year olds in urban India (Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore, Surat, Ahmedabad, Chennai, Kolkota, Pune) is 5'9", which is the same as the United States. The younger generations (especially the middle class) are getting taller and taller. When I was growing up, I had one uncle who was 5'11" and he was the tallest person in the family. Now I have several younger cousins who are 6'+.

[Body Builder]

Bodybuilder, how tall are you if you don't mind me asking?

1.68 before LL and 1.75,5 now on the morning.
For evening height I am about 1.5-2 cm less.

[Purushrottam]

1.68 before LL and 1.75,5 now on the morning.
For evening height I am about 1.5-2 cm less.

That is the same height as me. I know a body builder that height (semi pro) who absolutely wiped the floor when it came to women. Not to take away from your experience though.

[myloginacct]

When I was growing up, I had one uncle who was 5'11" and he was the tallest person in the family. Now I have several younger cousins who are 6'+.

Crazy. Why do you think that is? Such a big difference in the span of a generation.

In my family, it has been the opposite. Men have been getting smaller. 

[Purushrottam]

Crazy. Why do you think that is? Such a big difference in the span of a generation.

In my family, it has been the opposite. Men have been getting smaller. 

I'm not sure where you are from but if it's a developing country, I have an explanation. A significant portion of your height is determined by your childhood nutrition intake. Early childhood diseases restrict the body's nutrition intake, even if the child is getting proper nutrition.

Before modern sanitation, population density was a big factor in childhood disease incidence. The denser the country, the higher the incidence of disease. This is why the Dutch were so short in the early 1900s, while the south Sudanese were very tall (5'11" avg in the 1950s).

Countries like India and Sudan became more dense over time, which made diseases more prevalent. Even being well off doesn't protect you from disease if the environment isn't sanitary. . This is made worse by the practice of open defecation. However this is no longer prevalent in urban India, even amongst the impoverished. This explains the huge height disparity between urban and rural India and between younger and older generations.

[myloginacct]

In the case of my family, I think it's because the men have been marrying short women over the last 2 generations. My paternal grandfather was 5'10, and he married my ~5'1 (~155cm, maybe even less) grandmother. My father is 5'9. One of my problems is that even the men in my mother's family are tall. It's just the women who are short. My mother is 5'3" (160cm) but her brother (my uncle) is 6 feet tall. I'm the shortest male member of my family.

I do always feels jealous of the people who grow up to good heights even while having very short parents, but that's just genetics for you. Good someone got a lucky draw, at least. I just try to keep telling myself height is not that important.

[419]

I'm not sure where you are from but if it's a developing country, I have an explanation. A significant portion of your height is determined by your childhood nutrition intake. Early childhood diseases restrict the body's nutrition intake, even if the child is getting proper nutrition.

Before modern sanitation, population density was a big factor in childhood disease incidence. The denser the country, the higher the incidence of disease. This is why the Dutch were so short in the early 1900s, while the south Sudanese were very tall (5'11" avg in the 1950s).

Countries like India and Sudan became more dense over time, which made diseases more prevalent. Even being well off doesn't protect you from disease if the environment isn't sanitary. . This is made worse by the practice of open defecation. However this is no longer prevalent in urban India, even amongst the impoverished. This explains the huge height disparity between urban and rural India and between younger and older generations.

Makes sense to me.  I also think that childhood lifestyle (food, nutrition, health, disease, sports etc.) is the biggest decider (genetics comes very distant second) in deciding someone's height. I think I would have been taller if I were not from a vegetarian poor family (staple food was bread and vegetable curry, with some milk at night) and were taking in more protein.

[419]

Prakash,

   I'm not 5'6" anymore, but when I was, I never perceived that I was "short" in India. Of course, the experience at 5'4" is completely different. I never perceived the level of heightism in India that I did in the US. Our Prime Minister is barely 5'8". Our former President was like 5'2". Aamir Khan and Sachin Tendulkar are both below 5'4".

However Hollywood and Bollywood might be changing perceptions now. The average height of 18 year olds in urban India (Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore, Surat, Ahmedabad, Chennai, Kolkota, Pune) is 5'9", which is the same as the United States. The younger generations (especially the middle class) are getting taller and taller. When I was growing up, I had one uncle who was 5'11" and he was the tallest person in the family. Now I have several younger cousins who are 6'+.

I don't know when you left India, post 2010 India is much taller, even 5'6" comes short, trust me. And world is changing, perceptions are changing. There was a time when in Rural india very short (5'2") but fair and good looking males were more preferred then taller avergae (5'8") males by beautiful  girls and there was a time when full figured males were preferred over thin males, but that ended in the 90's. World standards are being imposed all  over and people's mind are being impacted by that. Thin, tall males are in fade now. Think about it, in earlier days pale was beautiful and tan was low class  now it is opposite. I know many aunties who would swear that men are not attractive without mustache while their new generation/young daughters hate men with mustaches.

Note - sorry, I read later part of your response now and I see you have already acknowledged and addressed the height increase in new India.

[419]

Praskash i want to clear something up. U accused me of insulting u for being indian. But u didn't im an asain myself too. India is way better than my country. But I've lived in Europe for a long time so I know the standards. When u opened the thread about dr.parihars clinic, by asking whether ur indian I meant the appearance won't be much of a suprise to u if u were an indian. For me i don't expect European standards in my country or india but i know we have cleaver doctors like any other region. Anyway u sound like an awesome guy

no problem man, we fight we make up, we are friends.

[419]

Not everyone judges based on looks. Also, lots of really good people also look really bad. So I don't see height as a matter of deserving it or not; it wouldn't stop at just height. I do get your point, however.

Have you already tried using lifts plus any form of elevated shoes if you only care about the social perception you get from height?

As for myself, I'd like to get taller to have peace of mind. I'd reach my father's height and never have to think about it again.

The truth is unless someone  comes to know you real real well, looks are the only things that matter. The problem is that the probability of being friends with attractive women who would come to know you well and will be available (they are always taken for you to do yoru game, is very slim and you will need to wait a lot. On the other hand, since  looks are primary even taller  s have better chance then the short guy because most women you will meet will not know your nice soul unless you get the chance to show them your soul (and as I said the chance  is slim). yes, i am wearing lifts from last 3 years and it has helped to some extent (example  -  a beautiful Chinese girl  checking me out again and again in California this March) but I want more from  life and I feel I deserve more from life, 2.5 inch lift wont do

[419]

I tried my best to improve all my aspects in my appearance and general in myself and now I am a 29 yo man with a good looking face (I go for grooming every 15-20 days), big muscles with less than 15% fat, good style and clothes, a high education diploma and a better than average job.
But still I don't get the attention I would and I can't many women I could only because I am not tall enough.
So I tried very hard to improve everything I could physically and my only drawback (not big after my first LL but still drawback) is my height.
So I really believe I deserve a second LL and a better height to become a completely fulfilled person and get all the things I tried and worked for.

I say go for it buddy. I myself have been contemplating whether to do one segment LL with an expensive doctor like Paley or two segments with cheaper doctors and I am now convinced that I will go for the kill, two segments.

[myloginacct]

Makes sense to me.  I also think that childhood lifestyle (food, nutrition, health, disease, sports etc.) is the biggest decider (genetics comes very distant second) in deciding someone's height. I think I would have been taller if I were not from a vegetarian poor family (staple food was bread and vegetable curry, with some milk at night) and were taking in more protein.

I also blame myself for my diet.

Height is mostly genetic, but it apparently varies based on your background. Apparently, 35% of an Asian's person height is due to their diet whereas it's only 20% in whites. I feel these are very broad generalizations, specially considering how intricate human genetics can get, but there must be some truth to them.

[DreamKamchatka]

i have exactly same experience as  you. i am a very intelligent person but people just judge me by my height. i feel unfair so i went to dr. Solomin

[419]

I also blame myself for my diet.

Height is mostly genetic, but it apparently varies based on your background. Apparently, 35% of an Asian's person height is due to their diet whereas it's only 20% in whites. I feel these are very broad generalizations, specially considering how intricate human genetics can get, but there must be some truth to them.

Yes, i personally believe genetics has only 20% to with it, 60% is lifestyle like food, sports, sleep (and 20% other things like mental heath - happiness,anxiety gravity, weather, air/water quality etc.)

[419]

i have exactly same experience as  you. i am a very intelligent person but people just judge me by my height. i feel unfair so i went to dr. Solomin

yes, and it pains when idiots, bad persons gain more attention because they are taller

[Body Builder]

Yes, i personally believe genetics has only 20% to with it, 60% is lifestyle like food, sports, sleep (and 20% other things like mental heath - happiness,anxiety gravity, weather, air/water quality etc.)

No, genetics are more than 90%.
Stop people think that you meant to be tall but you cut your growth because you didn't sleep 10 hours oer day, you weren't the happiest kid in the world, you didn't eat a cow per day and all this bs.
99% of short men are short because their genes made them short and their life style stunted their growth for at max 1 inch. Only people sith hgh deficit didn't get their potencial height, noone else.

So stop thinking that you could have beem taller because you wouldn't .
But we have LL so everything can be fixed.

[Purushrottam]

No, genetics are more than 90%.
Stop people think that you meant to be tall but you cut your growth because you didn't sleep 10 hours oer day, you weren't the happiest kid in the world, you didn't eat a cow per day and all this bs.
99% of short men are short because their genes made them short and their life style stunted their growth for at max 1 inch. Only people sith hgh deficit didn't get their potencial height, noone else.

So stop thinking that you could have beem taller because you wouldn't .
But we have LL so everything can be fixed.

Bodybuilder, I appreciate your contribution to this forum, but this is factually incorrect. In Western populations, height will be 80% genetic because most people in the West have similar levels of medical access and nutrition. Even low income families get enough nutrition for it to not impact height.

If height was over 90% genetic, South Koreans would not be 3 inches taller than North Koreans and  rural Indians would not be3-4 inches shorter than urban Indians. In populations with unequal access to healthcare and nutrition, a significantly lower portion of height is genetic.

[myloginacct]

Bodybuilder, I appreciate your contribution to this forum, but this is factually incorrect. In Western populations, height will be 80% genetic because most people in the West have similar levels of medical access and nutrition. Even low income families get enough nutrition for it to not impact height.

If height was over 90% genetic, South Koreans would not be 3 inches taller than North Koreans and  rural Indians would not be3-4 inches shorter than urban Indians. In populations with unequal access to healthcare and nutrition, a significantly lower portion of height is genetic.

I really wish I could read about the nutrition breakdown somewhere. I've heard some doctors say that just being able to eat everyday would let you reach your nutrition height. But is it really just eating everyday? How much does the actual diet factor into that?

Are many urban Indians vegetarians still? I'm really curious to know if vegetarian, urban Indians are still that much taller than rural Indians. I blame myself for losing height because I went vegetarian at an early age. It'd be nice to get that off my mind if it played almost no part in my final adult height.

[419]

Bodybuilder, I appreciate your contribution to this forum, but this is factually incorrect. In Western populations, height will be 80% genetic because most people in the West have similar levels of medical access and nutrition. Even low income families get enough nutrition for it to not impact height.

If height was over 90% genetic, South Koreans would not be 3 inches taller than North Koreans and  rural Indians would not be3-4 inches shorter than urban Indians. In populations with unequal access to healthcare and nutrition, a significantly lower portion of height is genetic.

very well said and explained. Agreed. And that is why across all areas whenever there is better nutrition the generations grow taller. It is well documented and established. Nutrition and lifestyle trumps all.

[419]

I really wish I could read about the nutrition breakdown somewhere. I've heard some doctors say that just being able to eat everyday would let you reach your nutrition height. But is it really just eating everyday? How much does the actual diet factor into that?

Are many urban Indians vegetarians still? I'm really curious to know if vegetarian, urban Indians are still that much taller than rural Indians. I blame myself for losing height because I went vegetarian at an early age. It'd be nice to get that off my mind if it played almost no part in my final adult height.

That's not entirely true, what about protein? thought it is true to some extent (that is to say that having healthy appetite and eating per that is good), but that's why I used the word 'lifestyle', take my example - I ate less (like freakishly less) not because I did not have access to food, but had low appetite then i started playing some sports and appetite grew but it was too late, and on top of that all I ate was vegetable curry, bread, rice, and very occasionally some milk and some cereals ( so no adequate protein) i realized that the diet was no good when I was 20 and started eating eggs, but it was too late.

And NO, most urban people now are turning to eating meat in India, even my friends who do not eat meat at home, all of them eat loads of meat outside everyday, just to save face at home they show they don't (even their fathers eat meat outside) and many families that are traditionally vegetarian have long back started eating meat because they realized meat is easiest way to protein. Also note that urban well to do (and even well to do rural) indians eat better quality veg food like paneer (dairy), cereals etc. which thought not as big a protein source as meat, is still better than vegetable curries

[Purushrottam]

I really wish I could read about the nutrition breakdown somewhere. I've heard some doctors say that just being able to eat everyday would let you reach your nutrition height. But is it really just eating everyday? How much does the actual diet factor into that?

Are many urban Indians vegetarians still? I'm really curious to know if vegetarian, urban Indians are still that much taller than rural Indians. I blame myself for losing height because I went vegetarian at an early age. It'd be nice to get that off my mind if it played almost no part in my final adult height.

I don't think just eating everyday is enough. What you eat also matters. The low income Indian diet is heavy on carbs and low on proteins and calcium.  Thankfully thats changing with rising affluence. My grandparents were upper middle class when growing up but had absolutely ZERO access to milk and vegetables during their formative years. They were also living in conditions where early childhood disease was common. Imagine what the poorer people in India were having (hint: probably one meal a day or less of rice). They ended up 4'11 - 5'. I was 'naturally' 5'6". My cousins who grew up in the west are 5'9" to 6'+. Genetically, I should be much shorter than I am.

The taller countries have a greater portion of dairy in their diets. Dairy is relatively expensive (especially in places where cold storage chains are not widespread).

Ironically, the majority of Indians are non vegetarians. However vegetarians are overrepresented in the higher socioeconomic strata in Indian society. Being vegetarian is not a big deal for height if the protein and calcium requirements are met (rice + lentils + milk is good).

Don't bother racking your mind with things that are out of your control now.