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[biggerdreams]

Have you ever heard about something called common sense? or maybe logic? How about being realistic ? There are also stuff like mental disorders etc but I doubt you ever heard about them.

All those things exist but I won't pretend to know whats best for another person's life when the furthest extent of who they are is what I've learned from a few posts on a forum. I'm not qualified to diagnose mental disorders either. Are you?

[Body Builder]

All those things exist but I won't pretend to know whats best for another person's life when the furthest extent of who they are is what I've learned from a few posts on a forum. I'm not qualified to diagnose mental disorders either. Are you?

For some people it is really easy to diagnose that they are mentally unstable.
For someone who does LL at 6 ft, used to wear 4 inches heels and lengthens not only one segment but two, things are pretty easy.
Do you disagree?

[guichethope]

I'm not bashing anybody but at 5'9 or above i would never ever considered this surgery really . If any average guy is passing here i'd like too tell him to think more than twice about this . It's very bad what you gonna do to your body . Not saying don't do it ( almost ) , just do it if you feel very very bad cause of your height  . It's a life changing descision after all .

[biggerdreams]

For some people it is really easy to diagnose that they are mentally unstable.
For someone who does LL at 6 ft, used to wear 4 inches heels and lengthens not only one segment but two, things are pretty easy.
Do you disagree?

If I were 6' would I do LL? Absolutely not (or so I would think). But I can't say someone is unstable just because they want it at that height. I think it is another level of height dysphoria, yes, but those individuals that are 5' probably think this about those who are 5'6" to some degree.

I am not against giving advice or opinions but there is a lot of talk about absolutes and shaming on this forum which is pretty petty.

[MrHandsome]

Below a certain height your other traits no longer matter. That's how bad being short is honestly.

[LLSouthAmerica]

Below a certain height your other traits no longer matter. That's how bad being short is honestly.

You forgot to add "in dating" and "for most women, particularly those who are shallow". Otherwise you can have a good life

[MrHandsome]

You forgot to add "in dating" and "for most women, particularly those who are shallow". Otherwise you can have a good life

Men are also shallow. They don't respect short men as much. That's the main reason that I am doing leg lengthening. It's not just for women.

[LLSouthAmerica]

What? Sure, men are shallow as well but besides the obvious difference in raw physical strength, not man has disrespected me because of my height. No here in South America, nor in the US or Italy. You must be doing Something wrong

[MrHandsome]

What? Sure, men are shallow as well but besides the obvious difference in raw physical strength, not man has disrespected me because of my height. No here in South America, nor in the US or Italy. You must be doing Something wrong

It depends on the area man.

[Body Builder]

Men are also shallow. They don't respect short men as much. That's the main reason that I am doing leg lengthening. It's not just for women.

Although we have the same opinions in some things about dating, your obsession of thinking that you are very short and that you get disrespect from that starts to becoming irritating.
You are 5.8, no man would tease you unless you are skinny or really bad looking.
I am no more tham 5.85 most of the day and men praise me for my muscles and always ask me what I suggest them to become like me.
So yes, in dating that height is a drawback but nowhere else.
I start to believe that you may have very low esteem or a skinny body and that's the main reason why people disrespect to you.
But for sure at your height it is insane to feel that bad in every aspect. Many people here are way more successful and with better self esteem than you and they are not more than 5.7.
Your height is on the short range of average, not short nor tall, average.
That means you are in the normal range of heights and if someone bashes you about your height, you should ridicule him as he is the one with the problem, not you.
So get a life and stop moaning because your attitude reminds me a 6ft man who wore heels to appear taller.
Of course your height is not good but is is not as bad as you think it is. And in no way you face heightism at that height.

[Brb6ftTall]

I've been here for a bit and I never really noticed this. Do you guys honestly think bad of me for going through with my femur lengthening with a starting height at a bit under 5'9?

@Body Builder, do you think I'm crazy for wanting to lengthen the full 8cm? I've seen you advocate for 8cm as a good/safe length before, but I'm not sure if you still think that or if I misread it.

[Thatdude950]

Lol I dont think LL is as radical as a sxx change.

You're spending $100,000+ (assuming you go to a 'competent' doc), years in recovery, permanently changing your biomechanics & risking significant complications. It's closer to a sxx change than it is to a boob job, especially regarding price & recovery.

[Thatdude950]

Men are also shallow. They don't respect short men as much. That's the main reason that I am doing leg lengthening. It's not just for women.

Men are respected by other men for how competent they are. At least when you're an adult (25+). Plenty of people at work are way more respected than me, & way shorter. & vice versa.

[LLSouthAmerica]

I agree with Thatdude and BB, women are usually the main source of height shaming. Men in my experience respect you because of your competence and since you are of average or close to average height, it shouldn't prevent you from being treated as you deserve. It is not because of your height.

[helloworld]

You're spending $100,000+ (assuming you go to a 'competent' doc), years in recovery, permanently changing your biomechanics & risking significant complications. It's closer to a sxx change than it is to a boob job, especially regarding price & recovery.

I see it slightly more positive:
I went to the most competent doc, and got it done for $40,000.
Though recovery is still ongoing, after just two month I was able to go to the office and follow my normal routine.
Now, after 7 month, I am able to do anything I want. The only limitation is that I am still jumping not as high as before, nor running as fast as before, nor am I as flexible as before. But I am getting there.
I did not have much pain at all.
In total I spend about 250 hours of recovery training and stretching over the last 7 months, at $100 hourly rate that is $25,000 that is spend in "wasted" time on training my body.

For me the only big problem in LL is if you get a complication. But those are really rare.

[YourSpaceBoyfriend]

I see it slightly more positive:
I went to the most competent doc, and got it done for $40,000.

[Bander72]

I went to the most competent doc, and got it done for $40,000.

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[Body Builder]

I've been here for a bit and I never really noticed this. Do you guys honestly think bad of me for going through with my femur lengthening with a starting height at a bit under 5'9?

@Body Builder, do you think I'm crazy for wanting to lengthen the full 8cm? I've seen you advocate for 8cm as a good/safe length before, but I'm not sure if you still think that or if I misread it.

No, at your height there are reasons to do LL and certainly your life will improve a lot if things go well.
That happens with every less than average height man or at max completely average. Not even an inch more though.

And I never said that 8cm is a safe amount for tibias. Never. For femur yes it is safer but still not so much and I think that the aesthetic result will be a little bad for someone who does one segment only to lengthen so much.
I am 5.9 and I plan for a femur LL too but I won't go further than 6.5 cm because I want better results in terms of proportions and functions and because above 5.11 height stops to matter.
I suggest you to do the same and lenghthen not more than 7cm max, even in femurs.

[biggerdreams]

Men are respected by other men for how competent they are. At least when you're an adult (25+). Plenty of people at work are way more respected than me, & way shorter. & vice versa.

Very true. But what about at interviews? First impressions are lasting impressions.

[Bander72]

You're spending $100,000+ (assuming you go to a 'competent' doc), years in recovery, permanently changing your biomechanics & risking significant complications. It's closer to a sxx change than it is to a boob job, especially regarding price & recovery.

A doctor does not have to charge 6 figures to be compotent as is evidenced by the diarys of this forum. Also say for example I use 5 cm lifts and then do 7 cm surgery. With the lfits off hardly anyone would notice a diffrence. Of course the walking could be off at first but they wont be suspecting about LL. Meanwhile a sxx change operation is a drastric surgery in changing  youre life as you are a different gender. So while limb lengthening will always pose a danger no matter the circumstances it is not as extreme as a sxx change operation.

[Body Builder]

A doctor does not have to charge 6 figures to be compotent as is evidenced by the diarys of this forum. Also say for example I use 5 cm lifts and then do 7 cm surgery. With the lfits off hardly anyone would notice a diffrence. Of course the walking could be off at first but they wont be suspecting about LL. Meanwhile a sxx change operation is a drastric surgery in changing  youre life as you are a different gender. So while limb lengthening will always pose a danger no matter the circumstances it is not as extreme as a sxx change operation.

It is not. On the other hand, with sex change operation is impossible to get crippled while with LL is not rare to have permanent disabilities.

LL is not as drastic as sex change as it doesn't change you completely as the latter.
But the risks, the time and the money it needs make it much closer to a so drastic surgery than easy surgeries like boob or nosejobs which need 1/10 of money and time and have no permanent effects if things don't go terribly bad.

[helloworld]

Dead serious.
Are you of the opinion that anyone else is more competent than Dr. Monegal? Maybe Rozbruch or Baumgart?
If so based on what?

[YourSpaceBoyfriend]

Dead serious.
Are you of the opinion that anyone else is more competent than Dr. Monegal? Maybe Rozbruch or Baumgart?
If so based on what?

2 users already proved that monegal is everything but not "the most competent".

Besides i love this little cult of monegal on this forum, i don't think any other doc patients tries to snuggle this superlatives into their posts as much as monegal's patients do.

[Bander72]

Also the physical therapist that they use does not have a license. Might as well use the janitor who mops the floor if he says that he knows what hes doing.

[helloworld]

i don't think any other doc patients tries to snuggle this superlatives into their posts as much as monegal's patients do.

I wonder why :-)

[YourSpaceBoyfriend]

I wonder why :-)

Don't forget lube and tissues next time you will visit him.

[Sibirsky]

So I've had some time reflecting on this and reading the replies. I think I can to an extent conclude that there isn't outright discrimination here. But the double standards against average height people are palpable  . Not from everyone though, many are supportive regardless of a persons initial height

[LLSouthAmerica]

I don't understand, what double standards?

[Body Builder]

So I've had some time reflecting on this and reading the replies. I think I can to an extent conclude that there isn't outright discrimination here. But the double standards against average height people are palpable  . Not from everyone though, many are supportive regardless of a persons initial height

Of course there are double standards between short people who really need LL to improve their lives and live normally and tall morons who think that if they become giants they will own the world while most of the times they are so loosers that height maybe the least of their problems.

Any sane person would have had double standards to any cosmetic surgery between people who need it and people who don't, so why LL, the most extreme cosmetic surgery out there, should have been an exception ?

[Brb6ftTall]

No, at your height there are reasons to do LL and certainly your life will improve a lot if things go well.
That happens with every less than average height man or at max completely average. Not even an inch more though.

And I never said that 8cm is a safe amount for tibias. Never. For femur yes it is safer but still not so much and I think that the aesthetic result will be a little bad for someone who does one segment only to lengthen so much.
I am 5.9 and I plan for a femur LL too but I won't go further than 6.5 cm because I want better results in terms of proportions and functions and because above 5.11 height stops to matter.
I suggest you to do the same and lenghthen not more than 7cm max, even in femurs.

Oh yes, definitely not in femurs lol. But on this page: (Not letting me post the link, but it was in Tall's femur diary on a different forum)

You actually did say "You should have stopped at 8cm imo and continue your life without any problem and the need of  doing another LL." to Tall, so I thought that was implying you could do 8cm in femurs without any consequences.

I originally wanted to go at least 7.6cm, however I changed my goal to do 8cm because with it I'll be 183 solid (starting height 175) rather than under it. Do you think there's a big functionality difference between 7cm and 7.6cm, and 7.6cm and 8cm? If I truly had to stop earlier than 8 to not compromise function, I'd have no problem if it's at least in 7's lol

[Body Builder]

Oh yes, definitely not in femurs lol. But on this page: (Not letting me post the link, but it was in Tall's femur diary on a different forum)

You actually did say "You should have stopped at 8cm imo and continue your life without any problem and the need of  doing another LL." to Tall, so I thought that was implying you could do 8cm in femurs without any consequences.

I originally wanted to go at least 7.6cm, however I changed my goal to do 8cm because with it I'll be 183 solid (starting height 175) rather than under it. Do you think there's a big functionality difference between 7cm and 7.6cm, and 7.6cm and 8cm? If I truly had to stop earlier than 8 to not compromise function, I'd have no problem if it's at least in 7's lol

We are way off topic.
Some people can handle 8cm without much problems while others struggle to get 6cm.
Most of people can get 7cm in femurs but from that and above things get pretty hard especially if you don't get IT band release.
It is stupid to want to reach 6ft and risk for that while you could become 1.82 possibly much easier .
Anyway all these have been mentioned again and again. Everyone is responsible for his actions.
If you believe that becoming 6ft is more important than be healthy and functional, then risk for it. It's your body after all.