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[Sibirsky]

Regardless of how anyone perceives average height people wanting to get taller, at the end of the, do what makes you happy.

If celebrities who many regard to be the icons in terms of physical appearance can do nosejobs, chin-lifts, filler infections, boobjobs, average-height people choosing to do this surgery should be viewed no differently. All cosmetic procedures carry risks (even death: ) thus only discernible difference is that this surgery has a much longer recovery phase

Many of you complain being judged by society solely due to your height and having stereotypes attributed to your height by other people especially with women (i.e. short=weaker, can't protect women, napoleon complex). Well, with all the labels you place on average-height people wanting to do the surgery ( i.e. crazy, insecure, incel) are you acting any differently from society?

[Big Daddy]

What a fail topic.

Average height leg lengthener whining that people are calling them nuts is like an anorexic girl bitching that people are ridiculing her for getting liposuction.

[Sibirsky]

Your views are nothing short of irrelevant. This is meant for the people who are on the fence about doing the surgery.  What matters is the patient's happy after it's all done. And in my case, I couldnt be happier.

[Big Daddy]

Your views are nothing short of irrelevant. This is meant for the people who are on the fence about doing the surgery.  What matters is the patient's happy after it's all done. And in my case, I couldnt be happier.

My views are the majority so get used to the criticism on the net and by anyone who finds out what you did to yourself. You say you couldn't be happier now but you still aren't post-op enough to run and for that matter have no idea how your stamina, balance and flexibility will be years later. You still have body image issues because now you're worried that you lengthened too much and are considering a second lengthening to damage your body even further. You traded one neurosis for another. How can you be an advocate for something that you haven't even fully completed yet? For all you know your lengthening could be a failure because you'll try to run one day and your body hurts too much to do it for more than mere seconds.

And of all things to advocate, cosmetic lengthening is one of the dumbest. Even short guys advocating other short guys to get this is stupid.

[Sibirsky]

The majority may agree with you. It's try that this is one of the most morbid forms of cosmetic surgery. As with other cosmetic surgeries in the past, it is taboo. And just like those cosmetic procedures which have become well accepted today, Limb lengthening will too. Especially if the technologies continues to improve to make it more convenient and less taxing on the body  and the demand from society increases



Because at the end of the day, although the majority would agree that this surgery is extreme, the same majority deep inside wish they were "just a bit taller". Remove the extremity involved like the external fixators and reduce the long term impact which may one day be possible, and I doubt this surgery would be viewed any differently form a nose job.

[Sibirsky]

Oh yeah btw my flexibility and balance are virtually the same as they were before. I can't tell the difference between doing splits and yoga then and now.

As for stamina and strength I'll get back to you on that, but from the looks of things I'll be running and walking by the end of this year. Again, not much of a long term complication in my case at least. Appreciate the concern tho.

[IwannaBeTaller]

^ You realize that the person in this video is a lobbyist advertising a company or a technology making profit with LL? So obviously he will say that the technology is very far and it will become a widely accepted and used procedure, there's an economic motive for him to do so. But that's not the truth, because even with our current technology, the consequences of even a completely successful leg lengthening surgery are pretty grave. You have damaged your athletic ability with your surgery already, especially since you lengthened a pretty big amount, and your athletic potential will never be what it once was with your healthy body unimpaired by any surgeries. This is definitely not the case with nose jobs or most other forms of cosmetic surgery. This is a fact.

[TIBIKE200]

True IwannabeTaller.

As much as people here (especially the taller folks) would want to believe, you will never be as athletic (atleast potentionally) post ll like you were pre LL.

 Saying "taller people can do better because they have longer bones is complete bull . a 180 person who is proportional has legs who are 5cm longer than a 170 person. Out of those 5cm 0.5-1cm are in the foot so basically they might have a tibia that is like 1-2cm longer than a person who is 10 cm shoter which means they can lengthen a milimeter more safely. As people here know, even tall people don't have like 36 inseam or even 35.

 Also the major thing that causes people post LL of all heights to be less effective athletically is that the taller you are, you have more motor units per muscle. So even if your muscle fully recovers after lengthening, it will be less effective because it doesnt have as may motor units as someone who is naturally tall. That's why taller people have more strength potential. It's because they simply have more motor units.

[Body Builder]

Sibirsky, you and Vader are imo 2 of the most weird and unsuccessful LL cases I've ever seen, for different reasons though.
I understood that you wanted LL as even though you had a respectable height you still were in the upper range of people that have reasons to do LL as you weren"t taller than average. However, you lengthened too much for no real reason and you ended up a very disproportionate man with huge tibias that looks really weird with shorts or swimsuit or nked and of course your athletic abilities are way less than before due to your destroyed biomechanics.
You could have had an excellent result and height and you ended up an unaesthetically disproportionate man with problematic athletic capabilities for no reason.
So how could you say that we should justify average or taller height LL'ers while people like you do unwisely big amounts of lengthening, that not even really short people who need every cm they could get wouldn't dare to do, and show that the taller you are the more mentally unstable you are to do LL.

Vader on the other hand had a height that no sane person would have a problem with (6 ft), on the other hand it was an absolutely perfect height. But he wore 4 inches heels to appear taller and definitely had serious height complexes so he thought LL was the solution.
He did wise amounts of lengthening, I should give him that, but still he did 2 LLs at a 6ft initial height! That's insane dudes and another example how the taller than the average you are, the more mentally unstable you are.

So no Sibirsky, the discrimination you mentioned is more a way of telling that some people don't have a real height problem but a mental one and LL won't fix it.
Unfortunately, I don't know almost any more than average height LL'er who have real reasons to do it other than feel superior, be taller than my 7ft brother etc while these people most of the times are skinny boys or nerd fatasses who never had any problem with their height but with all their appearance and their personality. Maybe there are some exceptions but very very few.

So the discrimination in reality is between mentally sane people who want to do LL and insane ones. And most of the second group happen to be average height and more.

[doomsday]

HAHAHAH discrimination i love this word

Anyone average height getting LL  is basically her http://88plasticsurgery.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/sheyla-hershey-plastic-surgery-before.html

So no its not normal. Its fuc ked.

there is a reason that most docs would not touch anyone above 5'5. So stretching it for the sake of this messed up forum to 5'8 is more than enough. 

[jojo]

Maybe we should Also consider Where People are from .. im from Copenhagen Denmark
3rd tallest cuntrie ind  the World. Good looking People with pretty good Money .


Someone from india is not the same as someone from the NL, and so on

[YourSpaceBoyfriend]

I'm from one of the tallest countries in the europe but i don't bitch around like some people do.

[jojo]

No But i guss things Are still relative.

If your Are from one of the tallest cuntries in EU you Are also from one of the tallest ind the World

I agree this vader guy is crazy. But isnet he a troll ??

[YungGud]

We average height guys just wanna be tall ,for our comfortable life conditions ,of course people should not do like 10 cm in one segment,but there nothing strange in it (average folks who make LL)
Average height from where I am come  from exactly 178 so ,I think this is understandable
We don't want to be 7 ft or something,but 6 ft 1-2 is very nice height range,but about people who making it ,or planning to make it in nearest future at 6 ft + is crazy no doubt

[YourSpaceBoyfriend]

It's not about wanting to be taller, it's about how much you need to pay to be taller.

And now the sacrificies that you need to make to be taller are absolutly not worth it if you are avg height.

[Bander72]

Whether ethical or not the ones with the money to pay for it and the cajones to actually do the surgery are the ones who will benefit. Many dont end up doing the surgery so all expiriences written here are valuable. Instead of casting judgment we should work together to advance the limb lengthening community.

[TIBIKE200]

It's very easy to understand the negativity actually..

 When someone says "you guys are just jealous you will never be this tall" or any other similiar bull  about exaggerating the suffering of short people and the advantages of tall people than of course they will be disregarded. And of course they will be seen as mentally ill because that's what they are.

 A guy who speaks and thinks like Vader is obviously suffering from severe narcissism which is without any doubt a coping mechanism of severe low self esteem and image. Same goes for any other average height or taller LLer speaking is such manner.
  Helloworld atleast from how he writes doesn't seem to suffer the same mental problems. Same for you Sibirsky although the fact that you are hurt from critisism also shows that you are too very much a guy with low self esteem.
  There are short guys who show the exact same mental problems as tall guys or average height guys doing it.

[Sibirsky]

All I have to say is this forum is overrepresented by people who are below average and short. I've received many messages from average height people wanting to do the surgery who fear disclosing their height on this forum due to the backlash, so would rather message questions instead. So yes, the point of the discussion: please stop the hate against average height people who are interested in LL. Advice is welcome, unconstructive critisism and outright bashing shouldn't be.

And as for the so-called 'unsuccessfulness' in my case, dude, I walked 2 months post op without any support. Some of you who had your op years ago can't even walk properly until now and need stuff like Achilles lengthening etc. As for proportions, I'll post a pic soon, from my eyes it's not half as bad as other veterans like RGKey (no disrespect to him btw) So thank you for the concern but in terms of health I'm doing just fine

[TIBIKE200]

All I have to say is this forum is overrepresented by people who are below average and short.

I will give you two chances to guess why is that

[Ozymandias]

No offense OP, but you should have chosen another title to the thread. "Discrimination" is a serious word and no one here is "discriminating" average/tall people (if that was the case you would not be allowed to start threads like this). We are just stating our opinion about the """"""benefits"""""" that a average/tall guy would get from LL. Threads like this remind me of those third wave feminist snowflakes who shout "stop discriminating me!!" any time they hear an opinion they don't like.

[Thatdude950]

It's not about wanting to be taller, it's about how much you need to pay to be taller.

And now the sacrificies that you need to make to be taller are absolutly not worth it if you are avg height.

This. Great post.

There's no comparison to something like a nose or boob job. The price is WAY, WAY higher.

It's closer to something like a sxx change in severity. Which is why unless you are severely disturbed by your height and have exhausted all options it's not something any sane person of normal height should consider.

[thebesticanbe]

Dude
i cant reach the top shelf in my kitchen
My legs dont reach down when i ride my motorcycle
I can't do doggy with my girlfriend while being on my knees
I am being called shortie- midget by people in my environment giggling
People think they can bully me because of my size
I never find clothes my size to buy

Of course i will say average height people are stupid to go through the procedure to be more atractive.
i tottaly get them.they live in the same stereotyped society which favors tall people.
their chances are better than mine though.
Everyone is free to do what they like.
i would just pick a less painfull way to be attactive if i was average height.

[jojo]

Is LL as hardcore as a sexchance? Waw fk

[Bander72]

Lol I dont think LL is as radical as a sex change.

[Body Builder]

Is LL as hardcore as a sxxchance? Waw fk

LL is the most hard and risky aesthetic surgery and leaves permanent deficits, from small to huge.
That's why it is insane to do it if you are already tall and if you are average, you should lengthen wisely to reduce the permanent effects.

Sibirsky, walking normal is the minimum. I walked normal even when my tendons were overlengthened from my moron ex doctor, I walk normal even now 2 months after my new tendon's shortening and my right tibia straightening surgery.
You did a huge mistake to lengthen so much in tibias without reason. That's why I bash you, not for doing LL at 1 .76 but because you risked so much and had a mediocre result without any real reason.

And I don't care if more than average height people are afraid to write here their real heights. The biggest problem of a 6ft guy who wants LL is not my opinion or any other's here but the mental unstability he has and thinks that an already more than average height is a so big problem that is willing to risk so much and sacrifice some of his athletic capabilities, money and time for something like LL.
LL is not a boobjob, is the most extreme cosmetic surgery and is suitable only for people that have real height problems, for noone else.
So, if some people like Sibirsky who started this topic want to pass the message that LL is like any other cosmetic surgery, I won't let them do it, at least without telling my own opinion which is completely the opposite.

[Sibirsky]

Yeah this surgery is no way as morbid as a sxx change

By overerepresented I mean too many people who are short to below average are the ones posting the most. They are the tip of the iceberg. There's an big group of average height people here silently gathering information without posting because the shorter people might start bashing them. This is reverse-heightism at its finest

BodyBuilder, now I see your point of view which is that you don't want people to take this surgery lightly with ids effects and all that. I truly respect that. But really in the hands of a competent surgeon if there are no major complications, I think people of any height will be able to SEE and appreciate the change in height. But how much of a difference people perceive us is highly subjective and doesn't solely depend on your initial height. But to say happiness isn't a real reason to be taller isn't justified

[TIBIKE200]

The attack is not on you. And I agree that a few shorties here are indeed bitter.

 I also do not doubt that anyone who does this and doesn't get handicapped will be happy with the result no matter starting height.

Only difference is that when a 5'10 guy does it, the change will be 100% (or atleast close to that) within his mind and not like someone 5'5 doing it in which term the change will without doubt be external as well.

Anyhow, the forum now is much better with only one user screaming "heightism" or other reddit short bull .

[IwannaBeTaller]

Discrimination, heightism...these words have actual meanings and actual definitions. Discrimination is a serious thing, it means you can be denied a job even if you're equally qualified to a taller candidate, or you will be ridiculed and not respected as an adult human being. Discrimination can also encompass getting kicked out of your house of being expelled of your hometown. How are taller individuals treated on this forum? They can write diaries, they can look up information on leg lengthening, and they can seek support. A lot of posters will be critical of their decision for such a grave surgery without a justified reason and openly question these taller posters. Some will mock them. A taller poster comes into this forum and behaves like an utter piece of crap, like he never got some manners beaten into him when he was younger. He tells critical posters that they are just jealous and calls them manlets and faggots. (You all know who I mean) This poster will be heavily criticized. This is not discrimination.

Some posters here described their experience after LL and how it changed their lives to the better. Medium Drink of Water went from 5'7'' to 5'10'' and said that the surgery was the best decision of his life. He was obviously very happy with the change. If this man could be happy with being "just average", why can't average height posters who want LL be happy with their current height? Are they so different from him, do they belong to a different species? Or are they just insecure and want to create an outer shell of protection that shields them against someone attacking their insecure inner selfs? Do they feel they are somewhat special, better than other human beings around them? Because they must obviously see that millions of guys are average height and do just perfectly fine.

[biggerdreams]

I think its ridiculous that we become the expert on other peoples' lives on these forums. All of a sudden we know exactly what the right decision is for each others' lives.

If you care what people think about you because of your LL decision you shouldn't be getting it in the first place. It should be about your own personal goals and how you gauge risk vs reward. Everyone's story should be different. Like all things in life, pushing your ideals on others never do anything except make you look like a d!ck.

[doomsday]

I think its ridiculous that we become the expert on other peoples' lives on these forums. All of a sudden we know exactly what the right decision is for each others' lives.

If you care what people think about you because of your LL decision you shouldn't be getting it in the first place. It should be about your own personal goals and how you gauge risk vs reward. Everyone's story should be different. Like all things in life, pushing your ideals on others never do anything except make you look like a d!ck.

Have you ever heard about something called common sense? or maybe logic? How about being realistic ? There are also stuff like mental disorders etc but I doubt you ever heard about them.

[MrHandsome]

Taller people get treated better but the height discrimination starts at under 5'9 officially. Average height people are never discriminated against.