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[endomorphisme]

who is 182-182.5 cm at night (my very lowest).I would just like 3-4 cm, nothing more.
I just want to apologize if my english is not good, i'm not an english speaker ( i'm french).
The average in France is about 176 cm, 178 cm for young men, and 179 cm for white young men, maybe a tad above.I suppose it's the same in uk and north america.

I also tried to create an account on old forum  with the same username 2 days ago but the administrator still has not validated it, and i feel he will never do it.

I know that LL for an above average height's man like me sounds silly, since every guys are shorter than me i believe.

I also never suffered from discrimination.
Are there people who are near my height and consider LL?

[KiloKAHN]

I suppose you would need to ask yourself if possible lifelong complications are worth those extra cm in height when you're already an ideal male height in just about any country.

[endomorphisme]

thanks for your answer, that was quick.
As i said, even if many guys on old forum  claim 180-185  cm is short and want to gain 20 cm, i feel pretty good at almost 6 feet.But things could be better
I used to think ll surgery was not that risky.After reading many diaries on old forum , i weighed the pros and the cons.I'm reconsidering everything.

[Blackhawk]

I would never do this sh*t if I was 180 and above.  Forget about it.

[Smallguy]

As i said, even if many guys on old forum  claim 180-185  cm is short and want to gain 20 cm

Two retards that come to mind and they're both in the business of preying on people's height for commission or monetary gain, Tall & Apoth. And they're both shy of posting a jogging video. I don't think 185cm is short..... ? WTF

Being 182cm, I don't think you will gain any advantage by being taller. Even the two most attractive movies star in the world, Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt, are below than this height. If you have extra money, there are other avenues to invest in yourself. Do you have an education (like a University Degree?). I always find highly educated people revere (respectable). Also, with the advent of facebook, the standard for facial attractive has gone up these days. There must be something to tweak on your face.

Also, if you are too tall, you will shut out your dating pool. Short people will feel uncomfortable standing around you or may even find you hostile. Women don't want men who are too tall because it will make themselves look like retards... I have interviewed hundreds of women during the past few years. Everytime I go on a date or meet someone new, I always ask the same question. What's your ideal type? The answer is usually the same. No women I met wants any guy taller than 180cm. Except for the idiot below but their relationship didn't lasted long. I can't imagine how they could look into each other eyes and say I love you.

[theuprising]

Its up to you if the risk is vs the reward.
Personally I wouldn't as your height is pretty
much ideal.

[ChrisIsaak]

Everytime I go on a date or meet someone new, I always ask the same question. What's your ideal type? The answer is usually the same. No women I met wants any guy taller than 180cm.

Then why are you considering a second LL surgery? Are you comparing yourself to other men? Or was the first LL so beneficial that one wants to do it again?

[ChrisIsaak]

To the OP,

Mon ami, don't do it. Do you really want to let go of your social life and cripple yourself for at least 4 months, not to mention the risk of lifelong complications? Hit the gym, forget about LL, there's a life out there to enjoy. Sincerely, from a real guy who's been crippled for the past 3 months and is bored like hell.

[TRS]

I would never consider LL surgery if I was your height or even if I was of average height. You are already considered tall globally and for a mere 3-4 cm it is not worth putting your normal functional body on overdrive with all the pain and the overload of stress hormones, pain killers and the exposure to carcinogenic x-ray radiation every week or two. You must also take into consideration that you will be changing the normal physiology of your legs which can adversely affect you in the future such as arthritis.

[Smallguy]

Then why are you considering a second LL surgery? Are you comparing yourself to other men? Or was the first LL so beneficial that one wants to do it again?

Hey Chris,

Thanks for the reply.

Benefit - not really. Haven't had a gf for over a year. Still working at the same job.

Compare to other men - sure, but who? When I go to the gym, usually the younger guys are better looking than me. But I have a better job and higher income. The men who make more money are usually old. So what is there to compare?

I think it's a personal reason. Everyone has his own reason. I think mine is a bit lame. But I want to make my ex gf feel regretful. And the only way to do that is to make her feel like she's losing someone precious. And to do that, I have to be 180:D

I know it's very lame.

But I'm sure once you come back home, with your new height,  you will feel that your life will be a lot better than before.

[Disobedient]

as the other members said, it doesn't worth it, you already  tall..
with this amount of money and time you should considering going around the world
escape the Europe though since you're french.. 

[Disobedient]

Hey Chris,

Thanks for the reply.

Benefit - not really. Haven't had a gf for over a year. Still working at the same job.

Compare to other men - sure, but who? When I go to the gym, usually the younger guys are better looking than me. But I have a better job and higher income. The men who make more money are usually old. So what is there to compare?

I think it's a personal reason. Everyone has his own reason. I think mine is a bit lame. But I want to make my ex gf feel regretful. And the only way to do that is to make her feel like she's losing someone precious. And to do that, I have to be 180:D

I know it's very lame.

But I'm sure once you come back home, with your new height,  you will feel that your life will be a lot better than before.

hey smallguy ,
before considering another LL you should build some muscles, I saw your video in gym ,,you looks so thin..
 Then go for LL and your next LL should be in Korea, humm , learn korean language..  have these transformation looks things that korean artist do.. then join one of these agencies .. you'd be star like topi 


 

 

[Smallguy]

Dis,

I like your idea but I don't like the pic. I said, movie star.

Yeah, different taste

[amatan]

No, there aren't really people your height who do LL.

There is very little benefit from getting 4cm at your current height.  I also have to wonder why anyone who is least as tall as 75-80% of his peers would even consider throwing away 4+ months of his life away, pay tens of thousands of dollars, and go through a painful and lengthy recovery, not to mention risk his future mobility.

As a side note, how do you figure that the average height for young white men in France/USA/UK is 179cm+?  Every study I've seen puts the figure more at 178cm. 

[Hanna84]

Why do you think about this surgery?
I want to know, honestly, why a guy at your height feels the need to become taller.

[OverrideYouGenetics]

I wish I could post in this thread but that will probably get me banned. 

OP is obvious troll.

[endomorphisme]

hi, thanks for answering.
I'm studying in a high ranked engineering school..
People are taller in my community which means i don't feel particularly above average, even if i believe the average height can't be above 5'11"/180 cm.
Considering that 185-190 is very common(without being average of course), i feel a bit insecure sometimes.
After reading a few diaries on old forum , people advocating and encouraging  ll veterans to  challenge the laws of the physics and the limits of the human body,i  was persuaded this surgery, despite the price, was in fact not as risky and heavy as i expected.
I had ever heard of this surgery a few years ago, but I always thought it wa for very short people, and i never really considered because of the risks of being disabled and crippled.
Coming here, on this forum,  i just realized it was absolutely not a good idea.
Btw that's one of my last priorities, i just wish i was a little taller.Don't get me wrong, but when you go on old forum , you got the impression that gaining inches is so easy and safe while it's not.People on old forum   try to make you believe this a harmless surgery that's why i'm not particularly considering it.
Sorry for the mistakes and my english, i hope it will make sense.

[thetallerman]

hi, thanks for answering.
I'm studying in a high ranked engineering school..
People are taller in my community which means i don't feel particularly above average, even if i believe the average height can't be above 5'11"/180 cm.
Considering that 185-190 is very common(without being average of course), i feel a bit insecure sometimes.
After reading a few diaries on old forum , people advocating and encouraging  ll veterans to  challenge the laws of the physics and the limits of the human body,i  was persuaded this surgery, despite the price, was in fact not as risky and heavy as i expected.
I had ever heard of this surgery a few years ago, but I always thought it wa for very short people, and i never really considered because of the risks of being disabled and crippled.
Coming here, on this forum,  i just realized it was absolutely not a good idea.
Btw that's one of my last priorities, i just wish i was a little taller.Don't get me wrong, but when you go on old forum , you got the impression that gaining inches is so easy and safe while it's not.People on old forum   try to make you believe this a harmless surgery that's why i'm not particularly considering it.
Sorry for the mistakes and my english, i hope it will make sense.

I think you need to look in a mirror when you stand next to people, I used to feel way shorter than I really am. Your eyes are about 4.5 inches down from the top of your head which makes others seem taller even if they are exactly your height are a little below, I bet if you were to carry a mirror with you and compare your height to others you'd be taller than most. Also look at yourself in your facebook pictures lol, are you shorter, the same, or taller than most?! Also if you're suffering from insecurity at nearly 6ft tall in a country where the average is around 5'9 (France), then you need psychological help, more inches won't help and you will soon look around and see the rare 6'4/6'5+ people and get insecure around them. It's not about being the tallest person.

I honestly have to agree with another poster that this seems very close to trolling as you really have not made a valid case for why you want more height and such a small gain too. It's not worth it in my honest opinion to put so much of your life on hold for something that people will barely notice if at all, since you are already in the tall category. Do you want to be a model? Are you interested in a girl that's 5'10 and wears high heels? What is it? Read the diaries and understand that there's a lot of pain and hardwork in LL, and for people like me (at 5'7) and those who are 5'6, 5'5 and even less, this can be a lifechanging surgery to bring us to average and make us feel normal around other people, in our case it makes a drastic change, in your case, not so much.

[thetallerman]

I wish I could post in this thread but that will probably get me banned. 

OP is obvious troll.

Yeah I think he might be, but in case he's not I provided my opinion/advice.

[amatan]

I don't see how that you are "studying in a high ranked engineering school" is relevant to anything. 

You are probably overestimating the average height of people around you.  It's very easy to do by just focusing on the taller people.  I seriously doubt any university in France, one of the shorter European countries, has an average height as tall as Sweden.

I don't think op is a troll, but is just insecure and came to subtlety e-brag under the guise of considering LL, even though (as he even admits), knows for him it is "absolutely not a good idea". 

[Europa]

I don't see how that you are "studying in a high ranked engineering school" is relevant to anything.   

OP is probably not an outgoing guy and tries to find some things to cling on to for his lack of social/love life or insecurities. Sorry man, but you have a lot of work to do on yourself if at 6 ft you don't feel on the upper end of the scale.

[endomorphisme]

176 ccm is average, but there are many ethnic minorities, people in the south are shorter, young people are taller than the elderlies.
The average height is not under 180 cm, believe me or not, it's not hard to get this,.
more and more guys who are 175-178 cm do this surgery, which means they will be taller than me, but it does'nt mind anyone.

Every one is constantly amazed at guys like tall or apotheosis because , even if they may have health problems because of too much lengthening, but nobody minds of that.Why does it bother when a guy my height want more cm?I will never be taller than apotheosis who is considered as a "god" .
Imo there is a big difference between 182 cm and 187 cm.There are no advantages being 182 cm because it's just (a bit above) average for a guy of my age, and being average is not particularly good.

Btw i'm only 21, i've 10 years to take a decision.

[Adriano]

I feel stupid for even reading 1 post of this thread.

[Smallguy]

Yeah, I also smell a troll here.... otherwise, it's someone who severely lack common sense or thinking skill.

Lacking English skill/being "only" 21 is not a good enough reason to sound like a moron. 1. You hail apoth a "god." Okay, if you took the time to read my previous post, I mention that these twos, Apoth/Tall, are in the height business. They also push past 190cm at the detriment of their health and are shy to post jogging videos after many years. So if you're not naive, then I don't think you should set them on pedestals.

2. You feel height insecurity at 6'0? Are you mocking us here? Okay, I'll take the benefit of the doubt and try to believe that you are being sincere. However, you are already at the high-end height spectrum in your country and anywhere around the world. And even this, you view height as your problem, then is there anything else in life you wouldn't consider as problems/obstacles? In this case, I agree with another poster. Maybe you should consider psychology counseling. Maybe you're not happy with your life or possess some sort of depression. Certainly, logic and statistic data dictate that height is not your problem. Or you should go back to school and work on your common sense or problem-solving skill. Height is not your issue, but maybe your brain is.

I wish I could post in this thread but that will probably get me banned. 

OP is obvious troll.

Hey I think you're too pessimistic. Are you already taking propecia? You are a long-time member of this forum. I feel like we're all comrades seeking to overcome a common obstacle. I didn't like it when you asked for another member to be banned when he was only expressing his view. But I think someone here will back you up even if you post your view. Cool.

[Polycrates.]

176 ccm is average, but there are many ethnic minorities, people in the south are shorter, young people are taller than the elderlies.
The average height is not under 180 cm, believe me or not, it's not hard to get this,.
more and more guys who are 175-178 cm do this surgery, which means they will be taller than me, but it does'nt mind anyone.

Every one is constantly amazed at guys like tall or apotheosis because , even if they may have health problems because of too much lengthening, but nobody minds of that.Why does it bother when a guy my height want more cm?I will never be taller than apotheosis who is considered as a "god" .
Imo there is a big difference between 182 cm and 187 cm.There are no advantages being 182 cm because it's just (a bit above) average for a guy of my age, and being average is not particularly good.

Btw i'm only 21, i've 10 years to take a decision.

I'm one of the 175-178cm guys that'll be a slight bit above your height after my LL. If the doctor's measurement was correct, I'll be between 183-184cm. I won't know for sure until I can stand normally and get an accurate measurement. The measurements tools and techniques here were so blunt, so who knows what height I truly am now?

I can see where you're coming from. The guys I hang out with and work with are predominantly in the 185-195cm range, so I'll still be ranked as the shortest amongst them. I hope to god my feeling of overwhelming diminutive stature relative to them is placated by being near level to them. If not, femur LL to get to 190cm may be in my future. YOLO.

[endomorphisme]

@small guy

i read your whole posts.I know that apotheosis is not the best example, he is a liar and don't want to admit he has health problems.I don't consider him as a god of height but others do.
And you too you did not read me, i said that 180 cm is average for young men, how 2 cm above average is "at the end of the spectrum" ? Maybe in Asia, but not in France.
Maybe you live in a short country, your view may be different.


@polycrates

i know that feeling,many of my friends  are taller than me, in my school  it's common to see a bunch of 185-190 cm ers,   but i would stick at 186 cm with limb lenghtening.Despite it's not really tall, it's a 100 % solid height.

[TRS]

I don't want to sound rude but it would be best for you to get a psychiatric evaluation done. There may be some other aspect in your life, besides height, that may be causing really low self esteem or probably a pre existing mental disorder that you may not be aware of. If diagnosed then atleast try the therapy your psychiatrist offers, whether it be counselling or medication. Then introspect whether you truly need CLL. Don't take this the wrong way but I find it incredibly absurd that a person standing at 182.5cm is willing to sacrifice his time, money, health and mobility just for a few centimetres which he would achieve by wearing normal shoes.

i know that feeling,many of my friends  are taller than me, in my school  it's common to see a bunch of 185-190 cm ers,   but i would stick at 186 cm with limb lenghtening.Despite it's not really tall, it's a 100 % solid height.

It seems that you have been deluded and brainwashed by old forum  into believing that anyone under 190cm is not considered tall enough.

[Cooper]

It seems that you have been deluded and brainwashed by old forum  into believing that anyone under 190cm is not considered tall enough.

I agree with rising shorty on this one. With standing 182.5 you are definitely in good percentile. That is model height, correct? I do not think it is the height issue. I will definitely seek psychiatrist help.

I will never get to your height no matter what I do on this life time. Just to put things in perspective you are 22.5 cm taller than me. I genuinely believe you do not require another surgery unless you live in holland.

[sadboy]

182.5cm,

Whether you are a troll or not is not my issue but in all honesty, do what you feel. Each person has their own reasons to want something and nobody has the rights to judge them. I can advice you though to wear elevator shoes when you go to work maybe?

Either way LL is not that safe but a few cms is safer than 8cm+

[Smallguy]

And you too you did not read me, i said that 180 cm is average for young men, how 2 cm above average is "at the end of the spectrum" ? Maybe in Asia, but not in France.
Maybe you live in a short country, your view may be different.

Hey, I apologize for the inappropriate tone. I usually don't speak in that manner. I was trying to demonstrate to another member that it "IS" okay to speak your mind freely on this forum without fear of getting banned. I'm not banned yet. So I was right!

I think 180 to 182 is the perfect height. Most male model statues are around this height. Even movie stars dream of being at this height. I don't know what you are trying to achieve by becoming taller. I don't think you'll gain anymore respect or admiration than what you already have now. However, for a guy who was below average to reach closer to average would mean that people will no longer put him down because of his height. And that's a bliss.

In your case, people would see you as a tall guy who becomes taller. It makes no difference. Even if 180 is the average height as you said. What's wrong with being 2.5cm taller than average. 5'9 is average here. Most people would feel blissful being average.
 
That's my opinion. But do whatever that makes you happy. I think you are just curious and doubt you will ever go through with this endeavour.

[amatan]

I think it is fairly obvious this guy is borderline trolling and came to brag while pushing his insecurities onto us.  He (even by his own admision) will never go through with the procedure.