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[Bigpoppapump]

Bit of a morbid topic here

Have any of you guys at stages of your life had height neurosis/discrimination to the point you have thought it would be easier to just be dead?

Ive had numerous occasions through life where ive seriously contemplated it

[Alu]

Hell no, and I'm 5'4.

I think it's one of the stupidest reasons out there. Take away your own life because of something that you couldn't control and something that isn't that big of a deal when you realize there are millions of other people close to your given height (especially as you go up the height curve even if you are below average). This isn't my stance of suicide as a whole (it's too nuanced and naive to group all types of suicide attempts into one), but when it comes to this, I think of it as a sign of pure weakness.

Go see a shrink dude. LL only makes you taller, doesn't clear away those self-loathing thoughts you are implying you have (based on what I'm reading)...

[Bigpoppapump]

Thanks for the response

[aussieboy]

Never to the point of suicidal ideation.. Pls see a psych?!
I know a guy killed himself cause of his penis size but dude, there are many things we CAN change in the year 2017 and that includes your penis size and even your height

[Chris]

Bit of a morbid topic here

Have any of you guys at stages of your life had height neurosis/discrimination to the point you have thought it would be easier to just be dead?

Ive had numerous occasions through life where ive seriously contemplated it

I'm 161cm and where I live it's about 10cm too short to be considered equal. Instead, I'm considered inferior and the ppl around me love to show or even tell me that.
For many years I wanted to die because of it and I had this loop in my head: My body is bad, I'm treated badly, there is no way out, so my body stays bad, I'm treated badly...and so on.
And by the time it looked easier and easier to me, to just cut my veins.
Everyone is experiencing life differently and I'm very aware that some in this forum will think I'm completely nuts now, but that's how my world and my brain function.
The prospect of LL has become the only reason why I haven't committed suicide yet.
It has shown me a way out of the loop. Size is a changeable thing now and I can enhance myself.

I think what you need is HOPE for a change. It doesn't have to be LL of course. But it seems that it's hope what keeps us going in every given situation we are in.

[aussieboy]

Many things are changeable.. I will not be using this forum anymore but please keep the faith

[Bigpoppapump]

I'm 161cm and where I live it's about 10cm too short to be considered equal. Instead, I'm considered inferior and the ppl around me love to show or even tell me that.
For many years I wanted to die because of it and I had this loop in my head: My body is bad, I'm treated badly, there is no way out, so my body stays bad, I'm treated badly...and so on.
And by the time it looked easier and easier to me, to just cut my veins.
Everyone is experiencing life differently and I'm very aware that some in this forum will think I'm completely nuts now, but that's how my world and my brain function.
The prospect of LL has become the only reason why I haven't committed suicide yet.
It has shown me a way out of the loop. Size is a changeable thing now and I can enhance myself.

I think what you need is HOPE for a change. It doesn't have to be LL of course. But it seems that it's hope what keeps us going in every given situation we are in.

Thanks for the response and i really hope your life gets better i seriously do.

[onemorefoot]

Dont think like that man, fortunately there is a solution for that problem( CLL), so you could be finally happy.If people has discriminated you is because they are jerks and dont know that height is something like a lottery,if I dont have enough luck I am
inferior wtf!!! That is an estupid affirmation. Even people with tall parents can finish not as tall as was expected, so a thing is
find a solution and the best thing is that such solution exists.

[CCMidwest]

I was suicidal when I was 16 years old. Tried to cut my wrists. Not height related though, just teenage angst and some problems at home (had a rough home life growing up)

Didn't even realize I was 'short' until 31 years old.

I had a buddy kill himself about 3 years ago (not height related). Left a suicide note to the effect of "nobody loves me anymore"

The amount of people at his funeral would beg to differ. I honestly hate him for it.

Height neurosis sucks, it really does, I get it...cause I have it. Still would never kill myself. It's a big world out there, and there is ALWAYS a way to make things work.

My best friend is 5'4-5'5 and does just fine in life.
I would consider Alu a friend for sure, he's 5'4, and seems to do just fine in life.
I have a 5'2 guy working for me that does fine.
I have a 5'5 guy working for me that does fine.
One of my church elders is 5'5 and does fine.
My uncle was 5'7 and did fine (he died a few months ago)
I have another uncle at 5'5 that is worth over $20 million. 
Another friend is 5'6 and dating a stripper.
Another friend is 5'5, going to school for architecture, and has a beautiful girlfriend.
Another friend is 5'5, works for a major hotel chain, and is a total player. (edit: he's 5'6)

Read DIFM's diary. He says to quit looking for evidence that short guys get the raw end of the deal. He's right!

This forum, r/short, the misc, 4chan, whatever....are TOXIC if you have height neurosis. Stop reading, stop thinking, and start living!

Height is the stupidest reason to commit suicide. I've known far too many short guys that have good lives. Far too much evidence in the world that a short guy can live a good life. I've NEVER known a short guy in real life that was as miserable as the short guys on the internet. It's mind boggling.

Do most the short guys I know wish they were taller? Probably. Would their lives have been easier? Probably. But none of them let it get to them. Maybe mentally, because I'm not a mind reader, but external results? Yeah, they do fine.

Besides, and I hate to say this because I would NEVER recommend LL to anybody, but there is always LL.

See a shrink. Try a few shrinks until you find a good fit. GET HELP.

Hell no, and I'm 5'4.

I think it's one of the stupidest reasons out there. Take away your own life because of something that you couldn't control and something that isn't that big of a deal when you realize there are millions of other people close to your given height (especially as you go up the height curve even if you are below average). This isn't my stance of suicide as a whole (it's too nuanced and naive to group all types of suicide attempts into one), but when it comes to this, I think of it as a sign of pure weakness.

Go see a shrink dude. LL only makes you taller, doesn't clear away those self-loathing thoughts you are implying you have (based on what I'm reading)...

QFT

[onemorefoot]

LL is a very radical solution and sometimes it is not  a solution.So do whatever you want, with the condition it helps you and dont affect other people.

[CCMidwest]

I'm 161cm and where I live it's about 10cm too short to be considered equal. Instead, I'm considered inferior and the ppl around me love to show or even tell me that.

Then replace those people. F*ck 'em

I'm serious. Completely serious. Fire anyone from your life that treats you that way. They are not worth your time, and you are worth more than that.

I rarely see my own mother because she gives me sh*t about height. So I fired her ass.

There are TONS of people out there that just will not care that you are short, including women, so find them. Surround yourself with good hearted, good natured people. There are more out there than you think.

[Bigpoppapump]

Then replace those people. F*ck 'em

I'm serious. Completely serious. Fire anyone from your life that treats you that way. They are not worth your time, and you are worth more than that.

I rarely see my own mother because she gives me sh*t about height. So I fired her ass.

There are TONS of people out there that just will not care that you are short, including women, so find them. Surround yourself with good hearted, good natured people. There are more out there than you think.

Sorry to hear about your mother pal. May i ask what it is she says to you? For a mother to do that imo is just beyond cruel

[CCMidwest]

Sorry to hear about your mother pal. May i ask what it is she says to you? For a mother to do that imo is just beyond cruel

Thanks.

I'd rather not answer that question though.

[CCMidwest]

I think what you need is HOPE for a change. It doesn't have to be LL of course. But it seems that it's hope what keeps us going in every given situation we are in.

In my experience, "hope" is like happiness...it's fleeting and temporary. It's not really a natural state of being.

I think life is more about contentment and trust in yourself. You don't have to have "hope" when you trust yourself enough to know that you can make a good life regardless of the circumstances.

"hope" puts control of your life into something intangible. Control and influence of your own life is what leads to contentment. That's where height neurosis comes from, is feeling out of control...because you can't control height. BUT, you can control SO MANY other things in your life.

Constant, measurable, and objective forward movement towards your goals in life is MUCH better than hope. Hope doesn't lead to progress, progress leads to hope. Make sense?

Read the books "Mini Habits" & "How to be an imperfectionist" both by Stephen Guise. Amazing books. The imperfectionist book is the mindset you should have, and the mini habits book is the road map for forward movement.

Lifting more, earning more, LL, dating more, whatever the goal is...those books will help, no motivation required...just follow the steps.

(Ok, that's enough motivational bullsh*t from me for one day    )

[jbc]

To the OP - I'm new here, but this seems like a very welcoming community. I'm sorry to hear that your height has affected you the way it has.

Obviously everyone here wants to be taller . Height is desirable for many reasons, and now increases are achievable after the natural growth cycle.

But even if you don't have a procedure done such as LL, life in general is a beautiful thing. I've never, not once, contemplated ending it because I was short. Stature really is relative. If you watch ESPN, commentators talk about "short" quarterbacks all the time, referring to Russell Wilson (5'11" tall), Drew Brees (6'0") and the like. Those are dream heights for many people, and those folks are short compared to their peers. Same in NBA, etc.

There's so much more out there than height. Sure, some of us obsess with it. It's the same with obesity. Eventually, they'll have a pill to cure this, just like they have a pill for everything else. Until then, we have to make tough choices such as LL, and even if we don't opt into something like LL, things are still OK.

If things get to be too much, please seek professional assistance. Believe me, there are far far far far far worse things than being "short", whatever this even means, by whatever standards.

--jbc

[CCMidwest]

Well said, JBC, well said.

[Bigpoppapump]

Thanks for the reply folks

Regarding myself there have been times i have come extremely close. Things that have sent me over the edge in the past is when women have vocally made fun of my height in social settings and the guys there smiled with glee thankful they are the ones not afflicted with short stature. The annoying thing about these guys is that they are plain looking guys who are out of shape yet thanks to the virtue of height have coasted through life on the back of their height.

Other occasions have been when ive been sitting at a bar and get approached by women only to get ditched the moment i stand up and they see my height.

I was a talented rugby player when i was 'growing up' no pun intended yet coaches fkd me around and continually moved me into positions i didnt play to make way for taller guys who were largely useless

I wouldnt wish short stature on anyone. Ive even gone through stages of being really angry with my parents for having me in the first place when they are not genetically compatible and then for not insisting i get HGH which im sure would have saved me from this. With HGH im sure id have finished up 5-10/5-11ish

[Chris]

CCMidwest, people who commit or think about suicide turn their negative impulses against themselves.
You on the other hand turn your negative impulses against others. You remove everyone from your own perception who has a problem with your height.
Both are the same form of aggression actually, just pointed at two different directions.

You have no idea what is going on in the heads of suicidal people. The pain is real and whatever is causing the pain is a real problem, may it be height related or not. We know the reasons for our problems, but we have no way to solve them. It is a VERY long road to this point where you realize that there is no chance, no HOPE. And we are not stupid because we prefer to hit ourselves instead of others in order to end this infinite unbearable suffering. This is no weakens, this is mercy! Should I rather punch or "fire" everyone who is an   to me because I'm a little creature to them? I would have to "fire" the hole country then, because it's hard-coded in their brains. Plus that makes it not even their fault which gives me no right to turn my desperation/anger against them. If you can't change the world you have no other option then to change yourself. If there is no way to change yourself, try to compensate that for 20 years and see what happens when you explode.
Welcome to just one level deeper into a suicidal head!

And regarding the "hope" thing:
Suicidal people have (or see) no option to change the situation they are in.
Hope is a the theoretical probability of a long-term solution and maybe a key out. It's like a last straw your brain can grasp before you finally go down.
Without options or hope, you are dead. If you don't kill yourself you will starve, because your brain will blend out reality.
That's even proven science.

[YourSpaceBoyfriend]

I wouldnt wish short stature on anyone. Ive even gone through stages of being really angry with my parents for having me in the first place when they are not genetically compatible and then for not insisting i get HGH which im sure would have saved me from this. With HGH im sure id have finished up 5-10/5-11ish

Im just gonna quote myself from other topic

HGH won't do anything when your growth plates are fused already.

You get as much height as your genes allow(unless you have endocrine problems as i do) there is no magical way of increasing it except LL.

People even after HGH injections in their early years don't have any guarantee that they will grow there is tons of examples like that.

Besides HGH has a lot of side effects and can screw your endocrine system up.

HGH is not magical substance that makes you grow past your genes.

Trust me i have a lot of hormonal problems and i was potential patient to get HGH but i basically came too late.

If you have idiopatic short stature there is a slim chance that HGH will do anything.

[CCMidwest]

Probably the suicide hotlines for the various country's should be stickied somewhere on this forum.

Oh, and I put a 9mm to my head in November 2015 because of height, so don't tell me what you "think" I know about suicidal thoughts.

International Helpline Berlin
Postfach 580251
10412
BERLIN
Contact by: - Phone
Hotline: 6-12pm English service: 030-44 01 06 07
Hotline: Russian service: 030-44 01 06 06
Website: international-helpline.com


But, whatever, I got better sh*t to do.

[Chris]

Believe me, there are far far far far far worse things than being "short", whatever this even means, by whatever standards.

Well, the last part is just wrong.

Oh, and I put a 9mm to my head in November 2015 because of height, so don't tell me what you "think" I know about suicidal thoughts.
[...]
But, whatever, I got better sh*t to do.

You are the guy with the good life who has normal height and just wishes to be a little taller but doesn't actually want to make himself taller.
You can't even relate to the suicidal thoughts described in this thread, because you are a completely different case.

Me too, but I stay to help others and try not to be pissed.

[Bigpoppapump]

I appreciate the responses

I was just wondering as i thought i was in the minority but ive seen a few cases if people committing suicide due to the hopeless feeling of being short.

There was a reality tv star from the UK who did it il try and find the article

[Alu]

You are the guy with the good life who has normal height and just wishes to be a little taller but doesn't actually want to make himself taller.
You can't even relate to the suicidal thoughts described in this thread, because you are a completely different case.

Hey congrats CC, you are normal mate.

On the serious note, it's funny to me how extremely different perspectives are here. You have two guys at the same relative height who feel vastly different about their said height. It's kinda hard to judge what reality is....

It's kinda like we are all living inside Plato's Cave...

[Peaceout]

Probably the suicide hotlines for the various country's should be stickied somewhere on this forum.

Oh, and I put a 9mm to my head in November 2015 because of height, so don't tell me what you "think" I know about suicidal thoughts.

International Helpline Berlin
Postfach 580251
10412
BERLIN
Contact by: - Phone
Hotline: 6-12pm English service: 030-44 01 06 07
Hotline: Russian service: 030-44 01 06 06
Website: international-helpline.com


But, whatever, I got better sh*t to do.

I cant understand you man.You said that you didnt even have any thoughts about your height till your 30s.And now you say you put a 9 mm to your head last year.(sorry to hear that btw.)
What happened?What made you obsessed about your height after living 30 years with no problems?What was the triger?

[TIBIKE200]

Hey congrats CC, you are normal mate.

On the serious note, it's funny to me how extremely different perspectives are here. You have two guys at the same relative height who feel vastly different about their said height. It's kinda hard to judge what reality is....

It's kinda like we are all living inside Plato's Cave...

It got to do also with ego, narcissism, other mental problems etc.... There are like a million factors (99% of them being inside of your head... excuse me 100% of them) that affect how you percieve and "live" with your "defects"

[CCMidwest]

Hey congrats CC, you are normal mate.

On the serious note, it's funny to me how extremely different perspectives are here. You have two guys at the same relative height who feel vastly different about their said height. It's kinda hard to judge what reality is....

It's kinda like we are all living inside Plato's Cave...

Yeah, I am normal. Seem to remember hearing that from someone before...

I cant understand you man.You said that you didnt even have any thoughts about your height till your 30s.And now you say you put a 9 mm to your head last year.(sorry to hear that btw.)
What happened?What made you obsessed about your height after living 30 years with no problems?What was the triger?

Long story short, I filed for divorce and started dating. Went out with quite a few girls (don't judge me for "dating" while married), none said anything about height. I was online looking for dating tips, found a guy that wore lifts at 5'10?? Joined bodybuilding.com because I am a heavy lifter, found the misc. It snowballed from there. Turns out I have BDD anyway (you know, the mental illness with the highest suicide rate of any demographic), so height was something concrete for my mind to latch onto.

It got to do also with ego, narcissism, other mental problems etc.... There are like a million factors (99% of them being inside of your head... excuse me 100% of them) that affect how you percieve and "live" with your "defects"

This. I'm a huge narcissist.

[Alu]

This. I'm a huge narcissist.

Still though, you're not the one most struggling.

[Ghostfish]

Hi people

quite interesting topic.  I learned quite a lot from this thread especially from CCMidwest and Chris.  And I do understand quite well what Chris said coz I feel kind of the same way.  I gotta say first that I have been thinking about it for many years but not necessarily because of height, but it is more complex.

I think that the point of suicide is the outcome of the summation of negative brain activities such as depression, despair, aggression, impulsiveness, hopelessness, fatigue, etc after being balanced by positive brain activities such as hope, optimism, persistance, relaxation, happiness, etc.  Suicide is a big commitment that needs a wipe out in normal brain function.  All people have different goals, personalities, perspectives, and thoughts in their life, and confront different difficulties, frustrations, failures, and so on.  When positive things start losing by negative things, suicidal impulse starts being activated.  Suicidal impulse can be caused by only one big factor that could be a big financial loss, loss of the love, or even height for some one, or by multiple small but significant factors that could be kind of my case.   I was born in a very poor family but a quite smart kid, which may be not a good thing for a bogy from a poor family at least in my country.  I was not able to accept my inborn destiny which would be just to find a job and make a living for the family.  I chose a difficult goal and am still struggling to achieve it after being over 40,  and that is my biggest factor that gives me the most stress.   Height is another small factor that has bothered me for years.  I may be too ambitious or perfectionest.  but that is who I am.   It is just so hard for me to accept why I need to live this kind of life (not only height but all the difficulties and problems I had and have to deal with). 

But, anyway, I feel I am still not considfering suicide and probably won't.  but I really do understand how those who consider suicide feel.  For Bigpoppapump and Chris, if height is only factor that drives you the point of suicidal impulse, then plan for it and do it someday, because that is at lease something relatively easily achievable as long as you can make time and money for it.   I think we all can endure the pain of ll since we all endure hard life.  I dont think you guys care about propotion or bull .  Try not to think about height itself rather focus on improving your career or life or making more money.  When time and money allow you to do ll, do it and live a life with happniess.  If you have multiple factors that annoy you, then try to dissect them into an indivisual factor so that you can tackle one by one.  Sometimes, if people have multiple problems,  people tend to be more confused and more easily lost.  So tackle one by one.  You can do it!!

Good luck to you guys,

Ghostfish

[Ghostfish]

Hey congrats CC, you are normal mate.

On the serious note, it's funny to me how extremely different perspectives are here. You have two guys at the same relative height who feel vastly different about their said height. It's kinda hard to judge what reality is....

It's kinda like we are all living inside Plato's Cave...

Hi Alu

I think you might have some misunderstanding here.  Chris is about 5'3 and CC is 5'7.5.  So Chris can think that CC is at normal height.  Am I wrong? 

[aussieboy]

I wasn't happy with many things.. my height, my face shape, my number of friends, my body and fitness, relationships. I have fixed most of them and I am happier than many years ago. I am now tall, have more friends, have a nice face shape, have been on dates that blew my mind and heads off, and I am happy and grateful for all that. The dude above is right - fix them one by one!
Heck, I even did some routines to become big below so I can show off in the locker room

[Alu]

Hi Alu

I think you might have some misunderstanding here.  Chris is about 5'3 and CC is 5'7.5.  So Chris can think that CC is at normal height.  Am I wrong? 

Wrong two people