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Re: UNICORN - Dr. Guichet Internal Femurs 8cm - Summer 2016
« Reply #1178 on: May 11, 2019, 12:29:21 AM »

what is so "fk'd" up with what I wrote? Try to see the truth...I have received PMs from other members. Some former patients, some on the fence.. they all agree with me but the toxic climate on this forum makes them stay silent.

Look at the other who replied to me, one went to russia and cant feel his lower leg. Other can only "walk, swim and go to gym" and he is content with that. I am not going to engage in debate with people who think that is a good outcome and keep endorsing LL to newbies.

I dont have any issue yet but that doesnt mean I cant criticize what this forum has become: a deception to newcomers. That LL is some kind of magic pill to turn around life. Its not, its filled with permanently injured patients at times masquarading as they're recovered 100% and is conquering the world just because of LL. Because their pride cant accept they did the wrong decision.

And I never called LL to be outlawed, but regulated. Weed out unsafe procedures and surgeons.

Again, cannot agree more with your points here:

1)  That the forum unchecked is a deception to newcomers.

There're sinister doctors lurking around the forum hoping to bait an unsuspecting newcomers/patients.  The point of this forum is to create more awareness and knowledge pool.  It shouldn't be an indirect marketing platform for lengthening charlatans.

2)  Its not, its filled with permanently injured patients at times masquarading as they're recovered 100% and is conquering the world just because of LL. Because their pride cant accept they did the wrong decision.

The one thing I've observed during my last 3 years of being in contact with so many CLL patients around the world is, very few would actually admit that undergoing leg lengthening surgery was a lapse of judgement.  Our egos have coping mechanisms to shift blame onto everything else.

3)  And I never called LL to be outlawed, but regulated. Weed out unsafe procedures and surgeons.

And this is correct.  Don't forget, leg lengthening has been around since the 70s' Ilizarov cage which is still in use today at most hospitals.  Hence, public hospitals have always managed to lengthen limbs (arms and legs) following accidents or repair birth defects. 

So, it became insidious only when surgeons started offering leg lengthening as a voluntary cosmetic procedure and greed took over.  Because the CLL industry is so nascent and unregulated, doctors have essentially used paying clients as their guinea pigs.

That's why it is key that we keep raising awareness for newcomers to this forum to understand and own their lengthening process, in addition to doing plenty of research and due diligence.  And for the regulars here and post-LL patients, it is our duty as well to speak the truth and vow never to mislead because I'm sure there's a special place in hell reserved for people who knowingly put others in harm's way.

Finally, this forum needs to be a  SAFE SPACE  for all who suffer from short stature neurosis, and not a battlefield where doctors are reaping benefits from pitting us against each other.
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« Reply #1179 on: May 11, 2019, 12:30:20 AM »

do i fking look like im associated with any surgeon you neanthertal?
The wikipedia page about you is right: intelligence is very low.

I'm here to help unicorn, If she doesnt want help that's fine but you can keep your mouth shut.
Before you accuse others of being low IQ learn how to spell because this is how you spelt neanderthal -
"neanthertal" 
After reading your first post about how depressed and In such psychological pain you were in maybe if you weren't such an ass hole then life might be easier for you but after seeing what you said to me you deserve every bit of suffering you have. Life has its way of punishing people like you and giving them what they deserve.

And if you wanna talk more come visit me in 10 months in Brisbane australa.
 
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« Reply #1180 on: May 11, 2019, 12:36:48 AM »

And for the regulars here and post-LL patients, it is our duty as well to speak the truth and vow never to mislead because I'm sure there's a special place in hell reserved for people who knowingly put others in harms way.

… and a special place in Heaven for those who warn others like you do
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« Reply #1181 on: May 11, 2019, 12:40:08 AM »

4cms, even if your intentions are good, Unicorn should not give her real name for anyone because she can be doxxed. I don't think flooding Guichet e-mail would work either.

She is a grown woman and she doesn't ask for our help. She is just sharing her experience here, which is really good. Some people who would chose Guichet dodged a bullet.
That's fine she doesn't need to do anything but if she wants I can try and help.
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Re: UNICORN - Dr. Guichet Internal Femurs 8cm - Summer 2016
« Reply #1182 on: May 11, 2019, 12:46:23 AM »

Post his email here so everyone that reads this diary will feel if they want to message guichet they can.
GIVE UNICORN HER MONEY BACK GUICHET!!!

It won't work but it's actually a very funny thing to do. I will write myself an email for Guichet.
If you want to support fellow LLers I would suggest writing to Monegal too about Cooper, Musicmaker... and Notatroll of course. Monegal ruined their lives, limbs and finances. You can't give them back their lives and limbs but please give THEM their MONEY back.
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« Reply #1183 on: May 11, 2019, 12:53:26 AM »

Unicorn, you said it’s impossible a bone graft would be able to fill the 10cm gap non union you have. What have changed? Why the bone graft is working?
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« Reply #1184 on: May 11, 2019, 12:55:19 AM »

It won't work but it's actually a very funny thing to do. I will write myself an email for Guichet.
If you want to support fellow LLers I would suggest writing to Monegal too about Cooper, Musicmaker... and Notatroll of course. Monegal ruined their lives, limbs and finances. You can't give them back their lives and limbs but please give THEM their MONEY back.
Yea bro we can atleast try and you might be surprised if everyone or here done it or even like 50 people it might work. This forum does after all help get him patients.

But yes man atleast we can try and help her...We can try.
Even if you do it as a laugh still atleast you're doing something to help fellow ll'ers who have had their lives destroyed.
And you never know maybe getting her money back can help her to go to paley to fix her. You never know.

But if she doesn't respond and yes she doesn't have to say her name. Yea if she doesn't respond we ll leave it at that.

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Re: UNICORN - Dr. Guichet Internal Femurs 8cm - Summer 2016
« Reply #1185 on: May 11, 2019, 01:07:10 AM »

The more I read about CLL, the more I believe bad outcomes come from medical mistakes or patients not following doctors orders.

What happened to Unicorn is not bad lucky and has nothing to do with her gender or age. The doctor prescribe anti-inflamatory drugs to her and has an uncontrollable nail which clicks involuntary till 10cm very fast.
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Re: UNICORN - Dr. Guichet Internal Femurs 8cm - Summer 2016
« Reply #1186 on: May 11, 2019, 01:13:12 AM »

Yea bro we can atleast try and you might be surprised if everyone or here done it or even like 50 people it might work. This forum does after all help get him patients.

But yes man atleast we can try and help her...We can try.
Even if you do it as a laugh still atleast you're doing something to help fellow ll'ers who have had their lives destroyed.
And you never know maybe getting her money back can help her to go to paley to fix her. You never know.

But if she doesn't respond and yes she doesn't have to say her name. Yea if she doesn't respond we ll leave it at that.



I would hope at least they can't sleep at night after all the lives they've destroyed but remember they are psychopaths. They don't care.
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Re: UNICORN - Dr. Guichet Internal Femurs 8cm - Summer 2016
« Reply #1187 on: May 11, 2019, 01:47:26 AM »

Unicorn doesn’t need to post her real name for that purpose. Guichet knows perfectly who Unicorm888 is. I would advise not to publish any kind of personal information in this forum. Patient privacy is so important!

That is correct, he knows exactly who Unicorn888 is.

Guichet's email is super easy to obtain.  If you go to his website www.drguichet.com, at the bottom you find info@drguichet.com

If you go to his CONTACT PAGE - http://www.drguichet.com/contact/   

It appears that his London and Marseilles offices are all reachable via the same Italian phone number?   ;D 
Perhaps a sign of lack of staff?



I love the glossy inspirational pictures and testimonies on his website especially regarding dedicated physiotherapists serving individual patients in a state-of-the-art facility.  WOW!  These are big marketing words, I'm impressed  8)

REALITY
What we got was the local YMCA with very old folks, and where we had to pay for our own gym membership.  He was scrimping on room rental, so we ended up lying down like corpses along a narrow corridor where regular gym members had to carefully hop between our legs to get pass.  Got forbid there was no clumsy gym member who tripped all over our legs and fell on top of us.  The consolation was our legs were already broken, so not much more harm could have been inflicted at this point so I guess the extra risk in which he placed us was fully justifiable  ;D

I've photos somewhere, lemme find it this weekend as it's yet another colourful detail of our harrowing journey into the world of bull .
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« Reply #1188 on: May 11, 2019, 02:27:01 AM »

I ll do my part and send him a message.
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« Reply #1189 on: May 11, 2019, 07:55:11 AM »

unicorn ur story is sad. ur opinions of guichet are 100% right. he is very very very unethical. ppl should never forget to trust their own judgement before putting full faith on a doctor in a forum board. i think this guy was banned from marsaille in france and so he went to italy. if u ask he will tell u that there is no "world class isokinetic center" in marsailles. as if that is the only one pt center that can help an LLer. marsailles has a professional football club, dont tell me they travel to isokinetic center in italy for pt.
if u tell him u dont have time for pre-op training or logistics issues, then he will happily say it's ok its not necessary anyway.

he is an arrogant monster. a rogue surgeon. he shouts if u question anythng he is uncomfortable about. he "shouts".


also unicorn i am happy u are thinking responsibly about having a child. having a child is a LOT of work and responsibilites. u are bring a new life and are responsible for everything of that child. everyone underestimates the effort and responsibilities of raising a child. dont take any rash decisions until u are emotionally stable. think of whether u can support the child financially, socially and mentally for at least 25 years of the child's life.

all the best!
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« Reply #1190 on: May 11, 2019, 12:33:41 PM »

unicorn ur story is sad. ur opinions of guichet are 100% right. he is very very very unethical. ppl should never forget to trust their own judgement before putting full faith on a doctor in a forum board. i think this guy was banned from marsaille in france and so he went to italy. if u ask he will tell u that there is no "world class isokinetic center" in marsailles. as if that is the only one pt center that can help an LLer. marsailles has a professional football club, dont tell me they travel to isokinetic center in italy for pt.
if u tell him u dont have time for pre-op training or logistics issues, then he will happily say it's ok its not necessary anyway.

he is an arrogant monster. a rogue surgeon. he shouts if u question anythng he is uncomfortable about. he "shouts".


also unicorn i am happy u are thinking responsibly about having a child. having a child is a LOT of work and responsibilites. u are bring a new life and are responsible for everything of that child. everyone underestimates the effort and responsibilities of raising a child. dont take any rash decisions until u are emotionally stable. think of whether u can support the child financially, socially and mentally for at least 25 years of the child's life.

all the best!

Yes, all true.  Let me put it in plain words.

1)  PRE-OP TRAINING £3000

Not necessary.  Many surgeons laugh at this gimmick.  It's a great way to charge £3k extra.  One of my classmates arrived in London 10 days before his surgery and joined us at the gym.  He was aghast when he later received an invoice for £3k pre-op training that he did not subscribe to nor was notified about beforehand. 

And the PT is the very same one who does everything else.  He instructs us to do sets on 10 machines and 1 cardio, and leaves us to juggle his other responsibilities.  Guichet is never present at the gym, pre or post op.

2)  CYBER TESTS 2 x £170

Again, not necessary as it means nothing.  Better yet, I failed my cyber test on one leg and yet I was approved for CLL.

3)  PRE-OP PSYCHIATRIC EVALUATION £300

Might be helpful but in my case, he passed me with flying colours and wanted to continue seeing me to help me solve why I'm still single (!).  And the psychiatrist on the Guichet approved list was located outside London, in a makeshift office above his parking garage with a broken down sofa.

In addition, 2 non-native English speaking female patients of Guichet automatically failed their £300 psychiatric evaluations.  And the ONLY option left was for them to get another last minute evaluation (from Guichet's approved list) with an additional fee of ~$1k more.  At this price, they passed with flying colours.  We were all crying because Guichet had threatened her that if she didn't pay and pass her 2nd psychiatric evaluation, he would cancel her surgery and confiscate her surgery payment.

So the irony is, no test was administered on us and the most basic DSM-IV diagnosing tools were not even used.  But one of these girls got labeled 'Narcissistic Princess' by Guichet, which I'm sure is not a mental disorder.  And a doctor who values discretion should not be trash talking his existing patients to newbies.

4)  PRE-OP TESTING PACKAGE £5000

All the pre-op tests are conveniently included in this prepaid package and we get a brand new Guichet backpack as well. Wow.  However, when one of our classmates signed up for it, he was shocked that most of the test centres he went to on Guichet's approved list didn't even have a pre-paid agreement with Guichet.  So this patient had to pay double and then beg for his £5k back from Guichet.

5)  HYALURONIC ACID £2000

He prescribes 6 syringes of hyaluronic acid for us to buy for ourselves before surgery so that he can use it during surgery.  But he then tells us not to buy it ourselves as he can obtain them cheaper from France.  So after surgery, he told us he didn't have time to buy the cheaper French version and had to buy it last minute at Princess Grace Hospital (who charges 20% extra dispensing fees) and that we will 'bleed' when we find out the price.  This is one of the excuses he uses, for not refunding back our initial £3k surgery deposit.

In addition, I never realized patients are expected to procure their own in-surgery medications?  I mean, was I supposed to bring my own anaesthesia mix as well?

6)  ISOKINETIC CENTRE

So the only upside of going to the Isokinetic centre is they have a nice bathtub for hydrotherapy.  But we probably got 5 sessions in a 2-month period.  For the rest of the time, the professional Isokinetic trainers are not allowed to touch us.  They're allowed to watch us while we do our stretches and even then, they're usually not even there the whole time.  So it's a gimmick yet again.

The more sinister part is the doctor at Isokinetic actually contradicts Guichet and dispenses separate advice regarding the speed with which we were being lengthened, and the timescale we were promised for full recovery.

And recently, a potential LL patient went to inquire at Isokinetic in London if they could help him with post-op physiotherapy after he gets lengthened by another doctor.  Lo and behold, his data got shared by Isokinetic to Guichet, and he received a phonecall from Guichet trying to persuade him to use the g-nail instead.  So this potential LL patient freaked out and filed an official complaint regarding the violation of private information.  Isokinetic promptly issued an extensive apology letter for this data breach.  Guichet is not officially affiliated to Isokinetic.  https://www.isokinetic.com/en/staff/londra/18302683/

AND MORE

And the list goes on...  Better yet, former patients who had finished lengthening would continue to receive invoices.  In my case, after I had fully paid up for my first 3 surgeries, 8 months after... I received an invoice for £30k more because he now claims I had not paid Administration Fees for each prior surgery (which in the fine print are fully included), the extra years of his diligent monitoring and lastly, for the g-nail that he broke when I was under anaesthesia.

So you guys can imagine that as patients, we were so stressed out as we were not used to being so harrassed for money before and many of us broke down emotionally because we were in pain, we were blind, we were shouted at (one classmate got punched in the stomach) and we were constantly being milked by the very hands in which we had entrusted our lives.

It's like the fox who guards the hen house.  That's what we were, helpless crippled hens.

CONCLUSION

Total Guichet staff during our lengthening period (9 patients) between July to October 2016 = 1
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Re: UNICORN - Dr. Guichet Internal Femurs 8cm - Summer 2016
« Reply #1191 on: May 11, 2019, 06:18:45 PM »

Unicorn, you said it’s impossible a bone graft would be able to fill the 10cm gap non union you have. What have changed? Why the bone graft is working?
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« Reply #1192 on: May 11, 2019, 06:42:38 PM »

Unicorn, you said it’s impossible a bone graft would be able to fill the 10cm gap non union you have. What have changed? Why the bone graft is working?

Hi Wannagrowtaller,

The answer is inbetween.  The NHS doctors grafted me in June last year with cadaver bone chips (DBX).  They sliced me open 10cm on the side of my femur and packed the gap with DBX (see photo).  Almost 1 year later, xrays show the area is almost fused thinly.

However, they didn't cut me open on the other side of my femur because usually, when bone grafts work, they slowly grow around and fuse 360 degrees.  In my case, there's still nothing on the other side.

Hence, NHS wants to bone graft me more aggressively this time by harvesting my own hip bones.  They mentioned the recovery time could take up to 3 months and the pain might be lifelong for some people.

So that's that.  I was hoping last year's surgery was my last.  So the answer is yes, the bone graft worked a bit.  And no, it didn't fully heal me.

Does this make sense?  I'll post my latest xrays here when I get the CD
https://www.instagram.com/unicorn_gets_taller/

 

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« Reply #1193 on: May 11, 2019, 07:29:19 PM »

hey unicorn so sorry to hear about all the long term complications you had to deal with. Do you think all this couldve been avoided if you wouldve gone with another doctor like rozbruch or paley or do you think it could've happened with any doctor ?
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« Reply #1194 on: May 11, 2019, 08:01:33 PM »

hey unicorn so sorry to hear about all the long term complications you had to deal with. Do you think all this couldve been avoided if you wouldve gone with another doctor like rozbruch or paley or do you think it could've happened with any doctor ?
Yes, it could.

First Paley or Rozbruch would not insert 13mm nails on her leg
Second they would not prescribe anti_inflamatory drugs to her
third they would watch the callous carefully and not permit lengthening without callous
fourth the precice nails would not involuntary click till 10cm.
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« Reply #1195 on: May 11, 2019, 08:48:15 PM »

hey unicorn so sorry to hear about all the long term complications you had to deal with. Do you think all this couldve been avoided if you wouldve gone with another doctor like rozbruch or paley or do you think it could've happened with any doctor ?

My current long term complications are caused by :

RIGHT LEG

My right leg was lengthened too quickly with no bone consolidation.  Then, it ran away to 10cm because Guichet's nail cannot stop nor reverse.

Had I not gone to the NHS after Guichet told me that it was normal to have wound sites oozing green, I might have never realized that all the things that happened to me was not entirely my fault and that they were not normal occurences.  The head orthopaedic surgeon at the NHS hospital cried during my first consultation with her, and she wrote in her report that she has never cried in front of a patient before.

In fact, it was the NHS who opened my eyes eventually, in June 2017.  Before that time, I had trusted Guichet fully and agreed to be operated by him 3 times, with each surgery making my situation worse and worse.

To this date, 3 years later, my right leg has not fully consolidated.  The NHS grafted me last year with cadaver bone and it healed on one side.  They plan to graft me again with my own hip bones this time around, to heal the other side which remains non-union.

LEFT LEG

The second complication happened when Guichet rammed a large size 13.00mm g-nail into my asian femurs.  Everyone, even Guichet himself, annotate that asian females usually have smaller diameter and brittler bones.  Here's an article he posted in this forum just 3 months before my surgery in 2016.  For perspective, most large diameter nails for male lengtheners do not exceed 12.5mm.



Hence, during this initial surgery, he created an eggshell fracture near my left knee.  He said it was not a big deal but 2 weeks later, while moving in bed, I heard a crack followed by blinding pain.  I called Guichet for a morphine patch because the pain was excruciating but he told me that it was probably due to my bones fusing too fast.  So he had me take blood thinners to slow down fusion (!!!) and a high dose of aspirins (NSAID).  In addition, he made me go to the gym for physiotherapy and asked me to lengthen at a faster rate.  I was delirious with the agony and trauma of manually twisting my leg to lengthen, when it was so broken.  This is what your xray looks like when your g-nail cracks through your bone.



My nurse fed me sleeping pills over 4 days while Guichet was out of town.  When he returned, he finally sent me a script for xrays and realized that indeed, my leg was broken and it was NOT fast fusion.

So Guichet operated on me a 2nd time in September 2016 to push the g-nail back into my bone.  By this point, my body was suffering from severe scoliosis because my right leg had run away and my left leg was shattered in pieces (see imaging here).



By February 2017, my left shattered leg finally healed and I could restart the lengthening process again.  My 3rd surgery was slated for 1st Feb 2017 but Guichet failed compliance at Princess Grace Hospital.  So my surgery was cancelled and I had to wait until he got reinstated.  We waited for months with no clarity as to when he would be allowed to operate in the UK again, so finally he asked me to get my 3rd surgery in Milan in April 2017.  All these surgeries were fully funded by myself.

During this 3rd surgery, Guichet broke his own nail inside my body and had to hammer pieces out through my left knee causing chronic knee pains for years after.  He inserted another g-nail and subsequently, invoiced me for an additional £30k for his defective nail and extra fees for monitoring, PT and admin.  He abandoned me in July 2017 and in his notes to my NHS doctor, he claims that he referred me to her as it is illegal for doctors in the UK to abandon their patients without further care.

Thank goodness, the NHS also has their own set of records that conflict with Guichet's version of events.

CONCLUSION

Yes, I may be an older asian female and perhaps most ethical doctors should reject me.  That said, we are now a large group of lentheners in a global chat community and there are asian females in my age group who are successfully lengthening with other doctors, without suffering ANY of the above complications.

One key factor here, few to no females receive 13.00mm nails.  And the 2 asian females who received Guichet's 13.00mm nails ended up with damages like these.

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« Reply #1196 on: May 14, 2019, 12:20:27 AM »

You should tell him to give you your money back unicorn or you'll go to the French media with story.
You gotta fight for yourself too!
You have to bully the bully.
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« Reply #1197 on: May 14, 2019, 12:56:48 AM »

Hi Unicorn
I feel terribly sorry for you.  I just really don't know what to say for you.  Be strong and continue to fight for yourself! 
Hope things will be better soon for you.
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« Reply #1198 on: May 14, 2019, 05:32:06 PM »

Stay strong unicorn ... I'm glad the NHS is helping you ...
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« Reply #1199 on: May 16, 2019, 04:56:44 AM »

Isn't Dr Giotikas in NHS?
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« Reply #1200 on: May 26, 2019, 11:02:16 AM »

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to share a random observation since I've noticed it happening twice now.

A successful investment banker friend of mine just had his first baby.  My friend's about 5'7 and in press deal announcements, he is always the shortest man shaking hands with giants.  His wife just gave birth to a baby boy and of course, he is a super proud dad.  However, how he describes his son to me is particularly interesting of note.  He says that his son of 10 months old already measures in the top 1% percentile of baby length and hence, would be very tall when he grows up. 

I thought the comment is interesting BECAUSE the emphasis here is how long and potentially how tall his son will become, which obviously is a source of pride for him.  The thing is, height as we all know well, is NOT something we can control naturally nor even take credit for.  And yet, as parents, the seed gets sowed early on in our baby heads... our parents/family unknowingly put a lot of pressure on us to be smart, good looking or tall.  Many of you will argue that our parents want only the best for us and yet, by assigning undue credit or criticism, to qualities of which we have very little control like looks and height, they have inadvertently established a subconscious messaging that being tall is an achievement in itself.  And as children, we will do anything to seek the approval and acknowledgement of our elders.  And this strive for acceptance might extend throughout our lifetime.

I don't even need to tell you the story of how my grandmother describes her shorter grandchildren.  She thinks they must be incredibly naughty/disobedient not to eat and sleep sufficiently to grow up as tall as her other taller grandchildren.  And of course, she gratuitiously extends the blame to her daughter-in-law for not being an exemplary mother or for not feeding her children a rich enough diet.

SECOND STORY

In a similar vein, I have a gorgeous girlfriend who has a baby girl of 3 years old.  I find it particularly interesting as well the way she describes with immense satisfaction that her daughter is constantly mistaken for a 6-year old because she's the tallest in her nursery.  In addition, she adds with pride that her daughter is beating up 6-year olds in the park where she plays.

Anyway, I'm not here to judge.  I'm merely noting my observations that we may be the way we are because of how we have been pre-programmed since early childhood that height is a virtue to be admired.  Height lends invincibility.  Taller people get undue credit for the dumb luck of good genes.

Many of us here in the forum beat ourselves up wondering if we or our parents could have done something more to change our fates when we were growing like taking HGH, more swimming, more ballet lessons, more skip rope, more jumping like the masais...  would any of these activities + more, change how we eventually turn out?  I don't know. 

But I know one thing...  it's been etched in my head since time immemorial that being short (relatively) means I'm inferior and somehow, my fault.  And unfortunately for me and many others, we spend the rest of our lives struggling with this chip on our shoulder trying to seek the approval for a virtue that ultimately was never in our control to begin with.

And it began with seemingly innocent comments like those my friends made.

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Re: UNICORN - Dr. Guichet Internal Femurs 8cm - Summer 2016
« Reply #1201 on: May 27, 2019, 06:05:29 PM »

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to share a random observation since I've noticed it happening twice now.

A successful investment banker friend of mine just had his first baby.  My friend's about 5'7 and in press deal announcements, he is always the shortest man shaking hands with giants.  His wife just gave birth to a baby boy and of course, he is a super proud dad.  However, how he describes his son to me is particularly interesting of note.  He says that his son of 10 months old already measures in the top 1% percentile of baby length and hence, would be very tall when he grows up. 

I thought the comment is interesting BECAUSE the emphasis here is how long and potentially how tall his son will become, which obviously is a source of pride for him.  The thing is, height as we all know well, is NOT something we can control naturally nor even take credit for.  And yet, as parents, the seed gets sowed early on in our baby heads... our parents/family unknowingly put a lot of pressure on us to be smart, good looking or tall.  Many of you will argue that our parents want only the best for us and yet, by assigning undue credit or criticism, to qualities of which we have very little control like looks and height, they have inadvertently established a subconscious messaging that being tall is an achievement in itself.  And as children, we will do anything to seek the approval and acknowledgement of our elders.  And this strive for acceptance might extend throughout our lifetime.

I totally agree and this is a pretty toxic psychological pattern that is so widespread in society. On one hand, I totally understand parents being glad their kids are not short or even above average height. Especially when the parents suffered with their height in their lives. On the other hand, it's just reinforcing the problem of heightism and shifting it away from your own family, your own kids...onto the kids who are shorter. And even in a perfectly healthy society, there WILL be those below average height. It's as human as breathing air.

Unicorn, any ideas how a regulated LL regime would look in practice? Who would do cosmetic LL, who would pay for it, and how would it be regulated, in an ideal society?
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Re: UNICORN - Dr. Guichet Internal Femurs 8cm - Summer 2016
« Reply #1202 on: August 25, 2019, 07:12:11 AM »

Any news, Unicorn?
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Re: UNICORN - Dr. Guichet Internal Femurs 8cm - Summer 2016
« Reply #1203 on: September 27, 2019, 03:02:43 AM »

I just read about another Guichet patient death:
https://jezebel.com/stories-about-my-brother-1835651181

Its really messed up..
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« Reply #1204 on: September 27, 2019, 06:33:48 AM »

In fairness though, pulmonary embolisms are a known potential complication from this surgery, as rare as they might be. It wasn't due to negligence on the part of Guichet - it seems like this guy just got really unlucky and died from it.

Sad, for sure :-/
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Re: UNICORN - Dr. Guichet Internal Femurs 8cm - Summer 2016
« Reply #1205 on: September 27, 2019, 06:56:06 AM »

many bad outcomes with guichet i will definetely  stay away from him!
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Re: UNICORN - Dr. Guichet Internal Femurs 8cm - Summer 2016
« Reply #1206 on: September 27, 2019, 09:23:40 AM »

I just read about another Guichet patient death:
https://jezebel.com/stories-about-my-brother-1835651181

Its really messed up..

Didn’t read everything but the guy was based and red pilled as fk and just got really unlucky.
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« Reply #1207 on: September 28, 2019, 02:45:27 AM »

In fairness though, pulmonary embolisms are a known potential complication from this surgery, as rare as they might be. It wasn't due to negligence on the part of Guichet - it seems like this guy just got really unlucky and died from it.

Sad, for sure :-/

Nah no way its entirely Guichets fault, What ? Are you not reading why he did to unicorn? From the denial that there was a problem to begin with to the inserting of the wrong size nails we can conclude it was entirely guichets fault that this poor boy died. Other doctors take more precaution for embolism such as draining the bones internal fats prior to reaming and nail insertion to avoid them getting into the blood stream and to the lungs and heart. On top of that he should of been monitoring the patient for at least 4 days before releasing from hospital.
Entirely guichets fault.
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Re: UNICORN - Dr. Guichet Internal Femurs 8cm - Summer 2016
« Reply #1208 on: September 28, 2019, 03:04:51 AM »

Does anyone have any data on how frequently embolism occurs?
I know of one case with Paley, which he rectified immediately, and now two with Guichet.
I'm planning on going with Giotikas ,he seems competent; however, what sort of things should I enquire about to ensure risks are minimised?
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