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[taller_in_Kiev]

Dr Jamal has asked me to update his information on here. 

Website link above is out of date. Actual website is:

http://www.correction.kiev.ua

You can see my before and after photos and xrays here:

http://www.correction.kiev.ua/news/patient5.htm

Latest price for 2018 is:
Femurs: USD 47,700 (€41,327) for standard 7cm. Each extra cm is USD 3000 (€2600). Room and board is additional USD 1000 (€866) per month. This includes maid service, all food cooked and prepared, apartment cleaned. Massages, hot baths, help with daily activities if needed.

Tibias: USD 48,800 (€42,280) for standard 5cm. Each extra cm is USD 3000 (€2600). Room and board is additional USD 1000 (€866) per month. This includes maid service, all food cooked and prepared, apartment cleaned. Massages, hot baths, help with daily activities if needed.

Prices are in US dollars. Exchange rate at time of writing: $1 = €0.87

Under patient experiences, there is myself and Rocky.  I did mine 14 years don't forget and Rocky has just come to the end of his LL journey (at the time of writing) and starting his recovery.  Links to diaries below. Regarding the negative information about Dr Jamal, I will say this: Some patients were too old or lazy, smokers, bad eaters...  You can be older, but you must still be pretty fit and healthy.  As I've said previously, the doctor will operate on you and break your bones, but it is UP TO YOU to heal, grow and recover. It is not fair to blame the doctor if you are lazy.

My diary:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9000.0

More photos here:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9023.0

Rocky's diary:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5395.0

[Body Builder]

41k euros for a very old nail in a very poor country like Ukraine (where average salary is not more than 250 euros per month!) are way too expensive.
Even if Nemer is a capable doctor (something I don't know) he is still too expensive considering the nail he uses and the country he operates.
Also, the 3000 extra cost for every cm more than 7 seems  ridiculous to me.

Anyway, at the moment there are doctors in west countries that operate with even less money with precise 2 (like Giotikas), I can't see why someone would go to Ukraine and Nemer. But that is just my opinion.

[taller_in_Kiev]

@ Bodybuilder, FYI the nail is one of the best out there. It is an evolution of the original and pioneering nail developed by Prof Bliskunov. Ukraine may be a poor country but you get treated to western standards here. And you get to stay in modern accommodation. The 7cm is offered as standard because that is what most patients can and should accomplish within a time-frame of 3 months without too much bother.  Extra cm means more time and resources are needed.
Of course everyone is free to chose their own doctor and location, but I would say for a solid internal method like Jamal's, it still represents good value.

[tlannister]

Bodybuilder is right. 47k for femur with an old-tech nail is way too much. Especially in a country like Ukraine which is poorest of the european countries.

@moderators of this site, you may be looking into taller_in_kiev shilling for Dr. Jamal. This forum is supposed to be neutral yet we have taller_in_kiev who has written that he has now moved to live in Kiev and probably has a business arrangement with this doctor.

[taller_in_Kiev]

Lol you're so funny. Dr Jamal is a friend, you might note he doesn't have any fancy marketing behind him. As a former  patient with a good result, I can vouch for him. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you or bodybuilder feel he's too expensive, fine, go somewhere else, go to India for all I care. As a professional, he is entitled to set his own price, doesn't matter where in the world he's based or what the average wage is.
He doesn't need to justify it to people like you.

[notatroll]

Bodybuilder is right. 47k for femur with an old-tech nail is way too much. Especially in a country like Ukraine which is poorest of the european countries.

@moderators of this site, you may be looking into taller_in_kiev shilling for Dr. Jamal. This forum is supposed to be neutral yet we have taller_in_kiev who has written that he has now moved to live in Kiev and probably has a business arrangement with this doctor.

There's no way to know if he is promoter. This a problem for forums like this. They're full of promoters and they're difficult to detect. How do you know if he's a helpful patient or a paid promoter? In the case of Monegal I know Cinderella is a FAKE but for Jamal we don't know.

[tlannister]

There's no way to know if he is promoter. This a problem for forums like this. They're full of promoters and they're difficult to detect. How do you know if he's a helpful patient or a paid promoter? In the case of Monegal I know Cinderella is a FAKE but for Jamal we don't know.

Hi,

the problem is not that he is expensive for me. But he is too expensive for the nail he offers. Its not worth it. That was my point.

I am not going to india and get butchered. Its gonna be a US surgeon or birkholtz/donghoon and only precice.

[Valiant]

Hi,

the problem is not that he is expensive for me. But he is too expensive for the nail he offers. Its not worth it. That was my point.

I am not going to india and get butchered. Its gonna be a US surgeon or birkholtz/donghoon and only precice.

What would you say are the main drawbacks of his nail?. Isn't it full weight bearing, so that's a good thing.

[taller_in_Kiev]

Hi,

the problem is not that he is expensive for me. But he is too expensive for the nail he offers. Its not worth it. That was my point.

I am not going to india and get butchered. Its gonna be a US surgeon or birkholtz/donghoon and only precice.

tlannister, you are a little pathetic, i am sorry to say. You and bodybuilder both. If anyone is a promoter on here, I'd say it was you with your precise (or perhaps not so precise) and name dropping of doctors. You claim Dr Jamal's nail is cheap? What, you have a price list of all the nails on the market? If so, please share with the rest of us and back up your claim.
I would argue the nail is a relatively small cost of the overall surgery cost, rendering your argument null and void. And in case you didn't know, you don't get to keep the nail as a souvenir after your surgery, not with Dr Jamal anyway. Maybe with your precise doctor.  If so, I'm sure you could flog it on eBay)) someone might just be thinking of a DIY LL job out there) Yeh, never mind the LL result lol, be happy that you got "an expensive nail" out of it!
A nail should be judged on it's merits and track record. The Jamal nail, an evolved version of the original and pioneering Bliskunov nail is fully weight bearing, made of bio-compatible titanium, has a simple clicking mechanism, no magnets or electronics and has an excellent track record. I am not aware of any other nail on the market offering any significant advantages over it.
If you want to promote your precise and/or any particular doctors, I have no problem with that, but please do it on your own thread instead of littering other people's pages with nonsense comments. 
Also for the record, I have not moved to Kiev permanently. I may be here for a few more weeks and while I am here, I am happy to offer my mentoring and support to any potential LL'ers wanting to come here.  Wishing you well on your LL journey and life. 

[taller_in_Kiev]

Hey everyone. I am saddened to say that a couple of sad, uneducated and pathetic members/trolls on here have tried their best to diss the great city of Kiev, which is almost like a second home to me.  Whether or not you consider it a destination for you LL, Kiev IS one of the greatest cities in Europe, it is also one of the greenest.  The history and culture here is unparalleled. There are many vlogs on youtube, but if you've never been here, the following 3 should open your eyes a bit.







********Trolls, save your comments if you have nothing constructive to say**********

[emanuel]

Hello,

As some of you might know, I am a patient of Dr. Jamal, who has done LL in Kiev in 2013.
If you are interested, you can read my diary in the old forum.
It has not been an easy journey of course, but now I am doing fine, doing sports (running, tennis etc.) as well.

I am happy to get the Bliskunov nail from the right leg removed soon, probably this october.

Later I'll post a recent xray of my bones, which was just taken in Kiev by Dr. Jamal to plan the nail removal surgery...

[tlannister]

Hello,

As some of you might know, I am a patient of Dr. Jamal, who has done LL in Kiev in 2013.
If you are interested, you can read my diary in the old forum.
It has not been an easy journey of course, but now I am doing fine, doing sports (running, tennis etc.) as well.

I am happy to get the Bliskunov nail from the right leg removed soon, probably this october.

Later I'll post a recent xray of my bones, which was just taken in Kiev by Dr. Jamal to plan the nail removal surgery...

great to see you. I thought u werent ever going to post again.
How did you treat your non-union (or was it discrepency?) in the end? and do you know why it happened? lack of nutrition, genetics, or malpractice?

[taller_in_Kiev]

********************* UPDATE **********************

Dr Jamal to offer Precise 2 and Stryde (whenever available) as alternatives alongside his own proprietary nail.
More info and pricing coming soon. Watch this space.

Once again, I don't want to blow my own trumpet, but my result speaks for itself.  What more do you want a nail to do for you?!

[taller_in_Kiev]

Also, video detailing Dr Jamal's proprietary nail coming soon.

[..]

Promotor of Dr. Jamal lol

[emanuel]

great to see you. I thought u werent ever going to post again.
How did you treat your non-union (or was it discrepency?) in the end? and do you know why it happened? lack of nutrition, genetics, or malpractice?

Hi tlannister,

there was a bone graft done in the left leg, you can also read about in the diary. In the right leg the bone basically came by itself eventually. So I guess it was a delayed union instead of a non-union in that case. Reasons? I have no idea and could only speculate.

Anyway, here are some recent x-rays:

Left leg:



Right leg:



As you can see, the bone is stable like a normal bone, just a little more massive. So surely it is time for nail removal!

About not posting anymore:
There is a point where you don't want to think about LL and the forum anymore and just want to go on with your life, which is in fact a new life.

Going from really short to "okay short" as a male is a huge life changer. I've even been considering doing external tibias as well to add ~5cm, here in my home country Germany. But due to responsibilty for my family I probably won't be able to do it.

[doomsday]

LOL why you left leg has a normal Intramedullary rod and the right one has the jamal nail ? HAHAHHA nice one

[emanuel]

LOL why you left leg has a normal Intramedullary rod and the right one has the jamal nail ? HAHAHHA nice one

This is a new nail, which replaced the Bliskunov at the surgery, where the Bone Graft was done. Not sure, what would be so funny about it though...

[taller_in_Kiev]

Hi there Emanuel
Thank you for posting your Xrays and well done on your recovery. I think you didn't have the smoothest of rides but very happy you got there in the end. Your bone consolidation looks great and yes I'd say you're not far from getting the metal out of you.  Dr Jamal will advise on that of course. If I am still here when you come for that, would be a pleasure to meet you. Your replacement rod I am guessing is the newer Jamal nail, an improved version of the Bliskunov, which I hear prevents accidental clicking?

P.s. ignore the idiot doomsday, he's just out to trash Dr Jamal at every little opportunity.  Also I am wary of tlannister, smells like a little troll to me.

[doomsday]

This is a new nail, which replaced the Bliskunov at the surgery, where the Bone Graft was done. Not sure, what would be so funny about it though...

so a new nail and a graft because of delay or non union. That really work well for Dr Jamal's credentials

[tlannister]

Hi tlannister,

there was a bone graft done in the left leg, you can also read about in the diary. In the right leg the bone basically came by itself eventually. So I guess it was a delayed union instead of a non-union in that case. Reasons? I have no idea and could only speculate.

Anyway, here are some recent x-rays:

As you can see, the bone is stable like a normal bone, just a little more massive. So surely it is time for nail removal!

About not posting anymore:
There is a point where you don't want to think about LL and the forum anymore and just want to go on with your life, which is in fact a new life.

Going from really short to "okay short" as a male is a huge life changer. I've even been considering doing external tibias as well to add ~5cm, here in my home country Germany. But due to responsibilty for my family I probably won't be able to do it.

I am really happy it worked out in the end. Your bone looks great and unlike some peoples body reject bone grafts, yours seems perfect! For people who havent done this surgery and suffering from height discrimination, its a self-medication to hear that your life has improved after becoming taller. Thank you! enjoy your life.

as for Jamal and his nail, this forum needs to send out a warning. Its 2018 and we non-unions should not be accepted as "normal" for LL.
I am not going to continue writing about Abu jamal in this thread as it belongs to Rocky.
@Doomsday please continue here http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9107.0

[taller_in_Kiev]

so a new nail and a graft because of delay or non union. That really work well for Dr Jamal's credentials

Doomsday, you are a former LL patient right? It was a while ago too, wasn't it, just skimming your previous posts.  Why don't you post us a little photo of your masterpiece result? Or a short clip showing your walking, running? My guess is you can't even walk properly, let alone run.  So as I've said to you in another thread, either put up or shut up.

[taller_in_Kiev]

@tlannister, BANG, there goes that face of yours flat on the floor again!

The doctor's name is not Abu Jamal. Get the name right, I have previously pointed this out to you.   

This thread doesn't belong to Rocky, but Dr Jamal.

As I explained in the other thread, you don't even know what caused the problem in Emanuel's case, yet you're so quick to jump all over the good doctor like a crazed chimp. The doctor by the way did his best to resolve the complication at no extra cost and it's good to hear Emanuel is now doing well.
 
This forum needs to be warned about the sad and pathetic little troll that you are.  Listen to me, don't play with fire, you will get burnt. No more from you or that other tw@t Doomsday on this thread.

[taller_in_Kiev]

Just a quick update here. Dr Nemer is currently organising his own login details to be able to post here himself. In the meantime, if you'd like to contact him, please email him directly at jamal.abunemer@gmail.com
The website address I previously provided is out of date, apologies for this. Please don't use the contact through the old website. His new website is coming soon.   

[Dr Jamal A Nemer]

Hello all dear potential limb lengtheners! At the advice of a couple of my former patients, I decided to post here myself.
I have a new webiste coming soon with more patient experiences and I am also in contact with NuVasive Specialized Orthopedics to see about the possibility of offering their Precice Stryde nail in addition to my own going forward. More info coming soon. Happy to answer any questions in the meantime. Thank you all for your patience and best regards.
Dr J A Nemer

[ub40]

How much do you charge for corrections? I had a surgery in Serbia and I have some issues with my legs, I'm hesitant to ask because of the 41000$ price tag especially since it's Ukraine.

Do you use an external method or an internal for corrections. My issue is minor bow leg on left, worse bow leg on the right leg and the right leg has is bent backwards slightly from the tibia so when I stand up straight there's pressure on the right knee

Thanks

[TemakiSushi]

How much do you charge for corrections? I had a surgery in Serbia and I have some issues with my legs, I'm hesitant to ask because of the 41000$ price tag especially since it's Ukraine.

Do you use an external method or an internal for corrections. My issue is minor bow leg on left, worse bow leg on the right leg and the right leg has is bent backwards slightly from the tibia so when I stand up straight there's pressure on the right knee

Thanks

I know one patient with bent leg of one side was quoted about 12k USD to fix it with Dr Lee in korea

So I hope Jamal is cheaper than that

[jfk]

Additional costs when you go over 7 cm is a joke!
Also before it was about 40 000 Euros including a 3 months stay. Now everything is seperate...

Bad price for a poor country.

[KiloKAHN]

Dr Jamal's website address has changed to the following:

https://www.orthopedicjamal.net/

He also has a Q & A thread here if you have any questions for him:

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=2815.31

[Kal el]

Guys i think taller in kiev is very very genuine..coz i have exactly his measurements pre OP height-170.5 and wingspan-178cm..and i know how it looks....and look closely at his arms they look a bit shorter as compared to his 6 feet height....this dude is my inspiration for CLL..looking forward to it in 2025..wish me luck guys..thank you