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[jerry]

Hey,  I'm considering LL in February and am having doubts on this potentially life changing decision. I would really like to hear from LL patients about the before & after effects.  I know LL is not for everyone, maybe it's not for me.    This is why I am looking to gauge the risk and reward of it all.

Questions: What benefits are you experiencing?  What are the negatives and regrets?  Overall, is it worth all the pain and money?

Can being taller change my psychological mindset  in these areas

- Self confidence
- Social and working life? 

About me:   

Height: Around 5ft10.. I don't feel short 90% of time unless I meet tall people that are 6ft1 and above.  It's because of this 5ft10 height that I do question myself,  should I do LL or  it's not worth it.

Age: Late 20s   

Health:  Out of shape

How Much LL: 7-8cm

Goal:    Get taller and then workout at the gym to be really fit.  I know it's contradicting if I say this....I want to get into the best shape of my life after LL. 

Why LL:  To be more confidence, feel better about myself.  I hope being taller change how people see me and how I see myself.

Why not do LL:   I'm already in my late 20s and unfit.  How can I get in best shape after LL?  I'm 5ft9,  it's not a necessity but added luxury.

I also ask a member here who did LL and  he was very cautious about it.

"The relation between risk and reward with LL is too bad. I know many people who had serious complications and regret having done LL. You have to be aware that LL is a gamble and the odds in your favor are not big enough to forget about possible negative outcomes. And the negative effects can be irreversible, not only temporary. Would you really be willing to gamble with your health There are many things which can go wrong. There can be dangerous bone infections, compartment syndrom, fractures, loss of function, nerve damage, necrosis, joint damage, arthritis, non-union,etc. Why risk this? being taller is a dream and many people are making money by selling dreams. The reality of LL is much different. Everybody wants to be the same as before after LL ,only taller. It might be possible to recover fully, but nobody can give you a guaranty." 

[Taller]

My advice is to get in shape before making such a major decision. Being in awesome  physical shape has been proven to really boost self esteem and decision making, and if you did get in shape, you might just find that you are so attractive that you have no need for LL. 5'10 isn't a bad height at all. In fact, many Hollywood actors are that height. If you get into really good shape and still aren't as satisfied with yourself and/or as confident as you'd like to be, only then should you consider LL.

[Smallguy]

I don't think your age really matters that much. Even my 3rd roommate was over 40s. I gave him many pointers which allow him to successfully lengthen pass 8cm. He was also overweight.. was a bit outgoing. He tried to smack all the indian maids at the hotel.

Having said that, I do believe that LL is a serious undertaking. The quoted comment is absolutely correct and I think I know who it is.

Most of us choose to undergo this dangerous procedure, not for luxury or vanity sake, but because it is our only option in life. Living at 5'6 or under is a brutal existence. If you're fat, you can go under a diet. But if you're short, there is nothing you can do.

You're already 5'10. If you can't even will yourself into shape, I'm not sure if you have the mental strength to survive 5-6 months of physical torture of having multiple pins ripping through your flesh 24/7... unless you choose a very expensive doctor in a 1st world country, choose internal or have an excellent roommate like me :-)

[Sweden]

Height: Around 5ft10..

Age: Late 20s   

Health:  Out of shape

How Much LL: 7-8cm
 

Forget about it.
You are in your prime time of your life and you're only wasting it.
Get in to shape, start reading about nutrition, run 45minutes 5 times/week, socialize with friends, meet girls and have fun at parties.

Somewhere around there I don't think you'll want LL anymore and if you really feel that you need it then do 5cm on your tibias and be done with it.

You wouldn't pass as a patient with Dr Guichet.

[jerry]

Thanks for the replies, 

If you get into really good shape and still aren't as satisfied with yourself and/or as confident as you'd like to be, only then should you consider LL.

Yea, I think it is many factors. If being 3 inch taller can boost my self confidence long term, why not?  My only concern is what's the price I have to pay to recover fully from it if that's possible at all.

Most of us choose to undergo this dangerous procedure, not for luxury or vanity sake, but because it is our only option in life. Living at 5'6 or under is a brutal existence. If you're fat, you can go under a diet. But if you're short, there is nothing you can do. You're already 5'10.

Yes you are also 5ft10 now like me.  Why are you planning 2nd LL?

Somewhere around there I don't think you'll want LL anymore and if you really feel that you need it then do 5cm on your tibias and be done with it.
You wouldn't pass as a patient with Dr Guichet.

Why not 7cm ?    Also there are many Doctors beside Dr Guichet with no strict fitness requirement.

[Sweden]

Why not 7cm ?    Also there are many Doctors beside Dr Guichet with no strict fitness requirement.

Dear please God don't do LL. That is like the most terrible phrase I have ever read in my 8 years of active LL-forum member.

You're out of shape and have no idea about anything.

Learn about this procedure. You will meet disaster if you don't know  .

[jerry]

Dear please God don't do LL. That is like the most terrible phrase I have ever read in my 8 years of active LL-forum member.

You're out of shape and have no idea about anything.

Learn about this procedure. You will meet disaster if you don't know s**t.

    

But you did 7cm?  And it is true, only Dr Guichet require strict fitness for patients.   

[Blackhawk]

Many people spend years researching, planning, and preparing for LL.  Many people who aren't fully educated in LL will fail.  Just because certain doctors don't have strict physical requirement doesn't mean anything.  The better shape you are in the easier it will be for most patients but it is still a grueling experience.

[Smallguy]

Yes you are also 5ft10 now like me.  Why are you planning 2nd LL?

That's a good question and shall be revealed in my upcoming LL diary chapter 3 - title How My Insecurity Still Persists

Unlike other ppl, I'm not telling you not to do LL. We don't know who you are to make that call... what your experience or what's holding you back in life.

You should consider that you will likely not have 100% of your mobility back. So if you're planning on doing those high flying kicks or long jumps, forget it. Some ppl even report having knee/muscle pain or not even walking at all (ie. Crazy 6 after 3 yrs?)

And how out of shape are you? Usually out of shape people are very weak mentally. And it takes a lot of will power to make it through LL.

I admit. My prejudice kicks in when you mention you were out of shape. To me, most overweight people cannot even control their eating, not to mention, endure several months of hardship/torture, financial loss and damages to their health.. to gain a few inches in height, which wouldn't make them look good anyway because they are fat. Plus, the nail/rod can have only a certain weight bearing limit (Dr Sarin's rod is 60kg). If they weight more than this, they risk the chance of breaking the nail. Plus overweight ppl tend to have a host of other health related issues, like high blood pressure, high cholesterol or diabetes. I don't think it's wise to bring all these baggage in LL and put yourself in a worst physical state.

Perhaps, a liposuction surgery or gastric bypass surgery would do them more good, for their health and their mental sake.

But if you are just a little overweight, then I would suggest you go for it. No one can make this choice for you because we all don't know who you are. Tomorrow, try wearing a pair of insoles inside your shoes, say 2-3 inches thick. Walk outside and see how you feel, Try meeting girls or talking to your boss (just don't be too cky). If you feel you are more happier at this height and have considered the risk/financial vs. reward/health... then go for it!

[Moubgf]

If i was born 5'10, I would have been oblivious to heightism,

Dude you say it yourself, you are out of health. Get in shape get some clothes that matches your personality and get that wax in that hair. And you are ready for the world. YOU DONT NEED THIS AT ALL!!!!!

After all you maybe am 5'10 in the mornings and 5'9 in the evenings?

[BullSurfer]

Anyone who's not even 5 10 but 5 8 and still want to be taller, the problem isn't in the physical anymore, it's mental, PDD or Bully complex where a grown man still think to dominate is to be the biggest or tallest. Reason or logic to solve every day problem don't exist.

Take my advice and some others' here "It's not worth it", you're just looking for unnecessary pain and problems not to mention disruption to the flow of your life, if you have a life, and if you're 5 10 with no life being 6 2 wouldn't help.

[FrankGarrett]

Anyone who's not even 5 10 but 5 8 and still want to be taller, the problem isn't in the physical anymore, it's mental, PDD or Bully complex where a grown man still think to dominate is to be the biggest or tallest. Reason or logic to solve every day problem don't exist.

Take my advice and some others' here "It's not worth it", you're just looking for unnecessary pain and problems not to mention disruption to the flow of your life, if you have a life, and if you're 5 10 with no life being 6 2 wouldn't help.

You can't just make stupid generalizations of every LL patient over 5' 7" like that, everyone has there one individual reasons for wanting to be taller. Furthermore, you're not taking into account that average height varies from country to country.

People online who try to persuade randomers on the Internet not to go through cosmetic surgery like this, tend to suffer from extreme insecurity issues where they compare their own inadequacies to other people's, believing that their own inadequacies are the "lesser evil", so the other person should be grateful for what their given. They will then attempt to convince them not to go through with their life-changing decision just to make them feel more secure about themselves, which is an extremely selfish motive because it only benefits them and no-one else. Either that, or they have no life, so they try to live through other people's.

[Sweden]

If Jerry had his own bran and a pair of nuts he wouldn't be asking this question. He wouldn't care what others from all around the world says to him and just go for his dreams.
He shows the worse knowledge I have seen and it always end up catastrophic. That's why I'm not recommending him to do this.

Jerry: Man the f*ck up and start study this procedure. All the questions have already been answered. It's nut up to anyone but yourself to decide if you're going to do it. I assume you're not 10 years old so you can decide for yourself!

[Doflamingo]

5ft10... You already have what we don't.

As long as you're above average in your country I don't think LL isn't necessary.
I am 157cm, the average is 180cm... You can't blame me.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

No, you shouldn't.  Your height is fine.  LL is worth it when it's a necessity, but not when it's a luxury.  It's expensive, painful, and you'll never recover 100% from it.  LL is an awful thing unless you're short and just want to be normal.

[KiloKAHN]

If you're absolutely sure you need limb lengthening to be happy, then go for it. Nobody is going to force you how to live your life. But I do think that your starting height combined with your level of doubt already about getting the procedure means that it's not necessary for you. At a height of 5'10 to start out with, the benefit of limb lengthening is going to be minimal with the height increase compared to the pain and all the potential complications (some of them lifelong) that come with lengthening.

[BilateralDamage]

I don't think anyone should go into this surgery if they have even a smidge of doubt.  There's way too much at risk.

[Smallguy]

I don't think anyone should go into this surgery if they have even a smidge of doubt.  There's way too much at risk.

Agree. If he already has this much doubt even before going forth with LL, wait until he feels some metal pin cutting slowly through his nerves each time he makes a turn. I don't think he'll continue after 1cm. It's better to hear the truth now then after having spent all those thousands of dollars and money on airplane ticket.

5ft10... You already have what we don't.

As long as you're above average in your country I don't think LL isn't necessary.
I am 157cm, the average is 180cm... You can't blame me.

No worries. My ex-girlfriend used to say, it's what on the inside that counts. Physical appearance doesn't mean anything.

[Doflamingo]

Lovely girls would say it's in the inside.
But would they date a midget? No.

[jerry]

I don't think anyone should go into this surgery if they have even a smidge of doubt.  There's way too much at risk.

That is why I am having an open discussion about the risk and reward, specifically the recovery and psychological-social benefits of it.    For those saying I'm already tall enough, you may have a point. But height is relative.  Here is a photo of two footballers, one is 6ft1 and the other is 5ft9.5-10  (same as me).  This is around the difference I will get if I do 7-8cm.    Thoughts?
 


Another one, third guy is 5ft7

[Medium Drink Of Water]

None of those guys should get LL because it would end their careers.

[Smallguy]

Lovely girls would say it's in the inside.
But would they date a midget? No.

I agree. When the odds are stacked tightly against you like you have, it's hard to get any girls. But you can either accept the way things are and end up with nothing in this life or you can go out there and work your way through scraps and pieces to see if you end up with any romance.

It must have been hard for you. It was even tough for me at 5'6 if not impossible to find any romance. I also have a few visible physical defects. But I thought I better go out there and work with whatever I got. From 2010 to 2013, my numbers were in the 50s. I tried everything... from pretending to fall in love with a girl.. to offering to take her home in a cold night.. to pretending to be the girl's friend - someone she can share her intimate feelings with... to tutoring the girl with her homework.. I tried everything.

Anyway, life can be tough for some of us. I wish you well. Good-luck in your LL journey.

[OverrideYouGenetics]

It must have been hard for you. It was even tough for me at 5'6 if not impossible to find any romance. I also have a few visible physical defects. But I thought I better go out there and work with whatever I got. From 2010 to 2013, my numbers were in the 50s. I tried everything... from pretending to fall in love with a girl.. to offering to take her home in a cold night.. to pretending to be the girl's friend - someone she can share her intimate feelings with... to tutoring the girl with her homework.. I tried everything.

how did it go? were u successful with any of the 50 in the end=

[Smallguy]

how did it go? were u successful with any of the 50 in the end=

Yeah, that's the number of victims I had sexual encounters with from 2010 to the end of 2012. I mentioned it my previous post. It started with the Olympic of 2010. I went to a Korean party and met this female "Casanova." Every night she would call me and talked with me over the phone for an hour and told me that I'm hers. My Korean friends warned but I didn't listen. After a month, I was dumped. I was played all along and it was for her vanity. From then on, I used the same tricked she used on me, I used them against other women I met.

My victims were mostly University/college, innocent, beautiful, big, tall girls with should-length hair. My favourite hang-out places were at the coffee shops in downtown as well as the central public library. My most common trick was to pretend to fall in love with a chic. But you have to be careful on the timing; otherwise you could be exposed. When I tell the girl how much I like her, the common reply I would get is, "But we just met an hour ago?"

I don't want to reveal myself as a jerk as I was a victim to begin with. I just want to tell other short-guys that it can be done if you are willing to put your mind and effort into this game. And I was 5'6.

[stevecap88]

My 2cents. I haven't done this yet but am actively preparing myself for it.a

It really depends. What alot of people forget is that cosmetic surgery should be about making your outward appearance match your inward self perception. If you are someone who feels on the inside that you are a confident alpha who stands above others this may be because you have inherent leadership qualities (not necessarily because you want to dominate or bully), leadership qualities that may go unnoticed or even ridiculed not exclusively because of your height but perhaps a combination of other things plus your height.
(before I continue, I don't want to make this about me, I am simply using me as an example)

I myself am 5'10 and seeking LL not because my height is innadequate but because my other features, child like face (makes me look simple and hard to be taken seriously) aswell ethnicity (asian) make my 5'10 height innadequate for my outward appearance to match my inward self perception, that is, I desire to express my confidence and leadership qualities comfortably without anyone doubting my true nature. What I had to weigh up was what, if any procedure would have the most positive impact in correlating outward image to inward self perception:

Gaining muscle vs Gaining height
Facial Masculinization vs Gaining Height
Facial Masculinization + Gaining Muscle vs Gaining Height

If gaining height, (in your perception) brings you closer to who you are on the inside than all these other options combined then by all means go for it. If you choose the other options you will find that you are still unhappy and you will probably seek out LL anyway having spent more time and money on other things that you could have gone without (in my case that is facial surgery only since gaining muscle is always a +).

If you decide to do this be careful, be prepared and always ALWAYS be skeptical. As you have tried hard to convince yourself of not undergoing LL so too should you convince yourself of not choosing any particular practicioner. If your financial situation is limited still extend your boundaries to the furthest boundaries you think you can achieve and never put money before your own health. It is fortunate that in today's age medical tourism is booming and there are plenty of highly qualified conscientious doctors in the thirdworld who offer their expertice at a much cheaper price, but be careful it is not hard to fall into the trap of looking for the cheapEST possible doctor once you realise how cheap you can get it.. instead look for the bEST possible doctor with no regard to finances so long as it is within the achievable boundary you set.

Read as much as you can about LL do a crash course in anatomy or even better physio, I myself am studying medicine and plan on being prepared financially, educationally and logistically by the time I finish my degree. The education will come in handy as there are a plethora of things that could go wrong and potentially un-noticed especially if you have a Doctor treating multiple patients at once.

Biology IS NOT AN YET EXACT SCIENCE!!! This isn't Engineering where if you want to change something you just take one part out and throw another part in (although it may get to that stage in the near future). You need to understand that biology has an unpredictable margin of error that can emerge even when doctors (myself included in the next 2 years hopefully) follow every step in the book. IF something goes awry do not panic, so long as you where obsessive in your selection process you can be assured that your doctor knows what he/she is doing, if a doctor is good then the reputaion gained from years of mind numbing study and long exhaustive hours of clinical practice, not to mention being a specialists bitch (which they would have been if they are an orthopedic surgeon) is not worth losing because of neglecting a patients concerns over his/her own condition. Their own reputation is what theyd be risking by mistreating you and this is all they would care about even if they didnt have a shred of empathy for their patients.

Anyway I hope my post helps you in some way or another, remember I did mention I have not done this yet but please don't go around throwing ad hominem at me what I am saying is derived from common sense. Common sense that should be universally applied and in highest concentration when considering any life altering surgery.

[amatan]

If you are 5'9.5", there is still sizable benefit to doing the procedure.  You can go from very slightly under average to above average, which is the last significant step in height gain in my opinion.  Considering the risks and unknowns of doing 7-8 cm though, why not do a smaller lengthening?  Why not make it easy on yourself, recover in a small time frame by doing say 5-6 cm to get to almost 6", especially since you say you are out of shape?  You will be comfortably above average, will likely be able to recover 100%, and will be on your feet sooner.   

[DREAM]

Jerry you are a fool, I envy just to be atleast 5 foot 9. I don't think the increase in height could make any real difference in your life because you are around or slight above the average height. I think you should just man up and work out and go out more, become more social able.

[jerry]

thanks Stevecap88,  you are right that it's more about how I see myself (self perception) than how people see me.   

[endomorphisme]

hi.
i think if you're below 6'1" , this surgery is worthile, there are many advantages to size.
I'm a few milimeter below 183 cm, before considering anything i prefer waiting the surgery has improved.I notice this surgery is getting safer and safer, maybe you should wait too.

[Wannabegiant]

hi.
i think if you're below 6'1" , this surgery is worthile, there are many advantages to size.
I'm a few milimeter below 183 cm, before considering anything i prefer waiting the surgery has improved.I notice this surgery is getting safer and safer, maybe you should wait too.

before you see any significant improvements to this procedure (among the doctors with good reputation) you will probably have to wait 10 years imo, its still relatively safe assuming you follow your doctors advice and dont choose someone with a bad reputation.

[jerry]

I agree that chance of any significant improvements for LL in the short term is very unlikely.    It's better to consider current methods that are tried and tested, do a reasonable amount and pick a good Doctor.   @182.5, if you gain 5cm then you shouldn't think about height anymore.