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Smallguy External Tibiae Dr. Sarin 2013
« on: January 19, 2014, 01:23:06 AM »

It was typical day in India in April of 2013. The weather was becoming warmer. It was my 4th month in India for limb lengthening at Dr. Sarin's guesthouse and that morning my roommate and I both have pancakes for breakfast. We are both bound to our beds due to our operations and Dinish is the indian maid who brings us our 3 meals per day. I am eating my last bite when suddenly I receive a phone call from Canada. I feel a little bit uncomfortable because I don't often receive calls and usually if I do receive calls, they're often bad news. My roommate from Canada is on the other end and he said, "C****, "I just saw your girlfriend leaving the house at 10pm and entering another man's car." It is dark and rainy night in Vancouver.

My heart drops for a moment. Then I call her cellphone. After several attempts, she finally answers the phone. I feel something is wrong. She is speaking to me in a washroom because I can hear the vibration of the washroom. I ask her if she is going to wait for me. She says, the answer is the same. (I have asked this question before). Then I tell her how much I miss her.

3 weeks later while I await to have my 5th surgery at Dr. Sarin's Hospital to re-break my lower tibiae. The prospect is gloomy. I had 4 surgeries before this and none of them ended up well. My girlfriend dumps me at this moment. My roommate describe to me the last time that he sees her. And this image still lingers in my mind. She is with another guy who came with a white Mercede Benz. And he helps her move out of the house. After 4 months of promise to wait, it finally comes to an end.

It was a hard feeling for me but it was also good because I could then focus on the danger at hand. My problem at that moment was that I have stayed in India for 4 months so far. My funds are running out. I came to India with zero dollar. It was all borrowed money from the credit line. My left leg was at only 3cm and the bone has already consolidated and the right leg was at 6cm. Some people told me to just shorten my right by 3cm, to make both 3cm, and then go home. I refused!

How did it came to this? Well, for one, I lengthened too slowly for my body. I only turned at 1.25 but my left consolidated. Plus I was consuming too much calcium supplement. And for two, I had a host of other problems before that, like the pin was hitting my nerve in the first month of January. I couldn't bend my knee. So we were focusing on how to deal with those problems. Then in February, I had a knee infection and was incapacitated for 1 month. In March, I realized my leg wasn't lengthening. Everything was bending, the metal frame was bending, the pin was bending, but my leg was the same. Dr. Sarin did a few tweaking but it didn't work. So came April and after 4 months, I only achieved 3cm.

After my girlfriend dumped me, my head became clearer. I realized I had only 1.5 months left. I had exactly 28 days to lengthen and 20 days after that to recover in India before I have to go back home. That wasn't what the doctor advised, but I had to come home. I was in debt for 23k at that time so I needed my job. My company only allowed me another 2 months.

So at that moment, I already had 5 surgeries. I realized that I needed to turn 2mm per day for the next 28 days to achieve 8cm. Again, it wasn't advised, but that was exactly what I did. I came to the operation room on May 28 with 8.2cm (from 3cm) on my left leg and 7.8cm on my right. Dr. Sarin was shocked to see that I got so much in such a short time. I asked Dr. Sarin to cut it to 8cm and he did.

My next problem was that my legs seem like they were all butchered up from so many operations that I wasn't going to walk again. (I will post the pictures later).

I certainly didn't planned for my LL journey to be like this. Just few months before coming to India, I stumble on a website call old forum . I didn't have any money so Dr. Sarin was the only choice.

Why did I took such a big risk? I don't know. The only diary which I read was STforLife and he didn't fully recover. So what was I thinking? I had everything in Vancouver, a girlfriend who I have met for 2 months and who liked me despite my height. I have an okay job.

All along I didn't know I was walking into a profit scheme created by Sysop/Apot (aka sysop) and Crazy 6+. Crazy was also offering some wrong advices in India who screwed me over. And I wouldn't hire Sunny again. He kept telling me he already tried his best. When the air condition broke, I spent many sleepness night drowning in my own sweat at Indian's scotchingly hot summer temperature of 50+ degrees.

Anyway, despite all the trouble, I still think Dr. Sarin wasn't that bad when I was there. He offered LL at an affordable price. I wasn't expecting a spa. And I was treated with respect. I had 6 surgeries in all and stayed there for 6 months. So I really don't think he has made that much money off from me. Sandy was the next manager after Sunny. Sandy was good and he took good care of me and my roommate.
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Re: Smallguy External Tibiae Dr. Sarin 2013
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2014, 03:15:54 AM »



Just ran 2 quick laps today. Btw, I'm not Korean and I don't understand a single word. I just used some random songs on youtube to tune out my voice to keep my ID unknown.

Blackhawk

My speed is not that fast but it is improving. I feel my ankle gets stronger each time I do this.

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Cool. I'm glad to contribute to this forum and share my experience with other short people.

As you can see, my scars are horrendous. I need to work on this before summer arrives.
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Re: Smallguy External Tibiae Dr. Sarin 2013
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2014, 03:40:18 AM »

Your running looks pretty good considering what you have gone through, and it looks like you were moving fast enough to get a good workout.

What do you plan on doing for the scars?  Do you think they will improve much on their own?
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Re: Smallguy External Tibiae Dr. Sarin 2013
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2014, 04:04:59 AM »

Thanks for posting that video!  Your running is incredible for what you've gone through.  Loved reading your story too.

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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2014, 04:18:37 AM »

Thank you for sharing that video!  It''s awesome to see your progress after all the hardship you went through physically.
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2014, 05:05:11 AM »

This is incredible! For months I've been hoping for someone to post something like this. People like you are the reason this site is much better and more helpful than old forum . Thank you, thank you, thank you! After all that you went through, this running speed isn't bad at all! And, it'll only improve with time. You, sir, are an inspiration. A few quick questions, if you don't mind:

1. Did your legs (knees, tendons, etc) hurt for days after this?

2. Are your legs completely straight? To me, in the vid, they looked like they have slight bumps and curves, but is this just an optical illusion created by the scarring?

3. How do you know that sysop is SysOp's real name?

PS. Your tibia to femur proportions look great! Your mirror must like you a lot more now  ;D.

Thanks so much, and keep up the great work,
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Re: Smallguy External Tibiae Dr. Sarin 2013
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2014, 05:14:05 AM »

Can you describe how 8cm difference make you feel?   How do people react differently than before?   Thanks.
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Re: Smallguy External Tibiae Dr. Sarin 2013
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2014, 09:54:12 AM »

I wish you a complete recovery Smallguy, after what you went through you truly deserve it. You are a warrior and you can be proud of the mental strenght that you have. Hope you are enjoying the new height as well (im sure you do  ;) )
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2014, 10:02:29 AM »

I'm very happy for you that you managed to overcome so many complications in India and end up being able to run. Quite an accomplishment.
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Initial height: 164 cm / ~5'5" (Surgery on 6/25/2014)
Current height: 170 cm / 5'7" (Frames removed 6/29/2015)
External Tibia lengthening performed by Dr Mangal Parihar in Mumbai, India.
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Re: Smallguy External Tibiae Dr. Sarin 2013
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2014, 12:27:31 PM »

Yes, looks very good considering the amount of surgeries you had to go through.

Is there anyway you can place the camera on the floor to capture the lower part of your body, then run/walk forth and back inside the camera view?
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2014, 03:25:36 PM »

Yes, looks very good considering the amount of surgeries you had to go through.

Is there anyway you can place the camera on the floor to capture the lower part of your body, then run/walk forth and back inside the camera view?

This.
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Re: Smallguy External Tibiae Dr. Sarin 2013
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2014, 03:29:40 PM »

Smallguy,

Your video is amazing. Thank you so very much for documenting the proof of a post-LL recovery. Wish you the best with the rest of your recovery period. Man, the roads in Canada are so alike the roads in the US.. I already miss being there. I miss driving on the highway.

In your spare time, could you share the names of the Korean songs? Lol - they're pretty good. How do you know so much about Korean bands?
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Re: Smallguy External Tibiae Dr. Sarin 2013
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2014, 04:11:10 PM »

Great video, thanks man.
Yeah those scars are quite visible, i think you should wait a little more and then do a surgery to improve it.
Very impressive diary.
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2014, 03:22:03 AM »

Chapter 2 - Vengeance

For the next 28 days, I proceed to lengthen my left at 2mm. I rely on 2 pills of painkiller a day to help me get through. Every moment is an episode of agonizing pain, like an electric shock that shoots through your legs. But even several months later when I was at home, I told people that the pain of being dumped by my ex was far greater than the physical pain which I have endured in India, which was true.

When I came back home on Jun.24, I realized that she has folded all my clothes neatly, placed a letter on the table explaining where everything was, and also prepared my toothbrush/toothpaste. She still wrote the shape of a heart on that piece of letter. Despite all these efforts, I feel bitterness and resentment. I became a cold and unemotional individual since my return home. I hadn't had a successful relationship ever since.

I remember exactly one year ago - this very month. I part with my ex girlfriend. She likes me for who I am and begs that I don't go. Don't go - I remember the words so vividly in my head. I am cold at this time and don't want her to escort me to the airport because she might cry. It's ironic that within 5 months our position changes. I become the sensitive guy and she becomes cold and mean. Had I know that moment would be the last time I meet her, I would have tried to hug her more tightly and dearly.

What made me took such a drastic measure to change my life? Well, all my life I have seen myself as the underdog. I was bullied at school and at home. My opponents were often genetically gifted and far superior than I was, both in size and in strength. And I had to pay for it. The first encounter left me with a signature scar on my right cheek. And when I was 17, I was out-punched by a opponent who was both taller and has more reach than I have, which left me with a crooked nose for life. I was so tired of being out-competed by bigger male rival in jobs, in relationship, and even for air space. Going to India was one of the many plans I have for myself to better myself... to survive.

Years ago, I watch a movie. It was about the Isle of Gold where the main male character had a dream of going off far into this far away land to find the Isle of Gold. He thought this would make him happy by finding gold. So he left all his friends, family, and his girlfriend to pursue this dream. Years later, he found out that the Isle of Gold was actually the Isle of Volcano. And he ended up with ashes in his hand. By the time that he arrived home, his girlfriend has already married to another man. And seeing her with her family, he realized at that moment that his happiness was already at home years ago. It was being with his family, friends and girlfriend... and not some phantom dream which turned out to be a pile of ashes. Does this 8cm truly makes me a happier person now?
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2014, 03:30:17 AM »

Thank you all for your comments

What do you plan on doing for the scars?  Do you think they will improve much on their own?

They haven't improve on their own. My body is very bad with healing scars. My plan is to use Skinceutical Blemish Removal. It costs around $80 and it works for removing blemish and imperfection on faces. But I plan on using this serum on my leg.


1. Did your legs (knees, tendons, etc) hurt for days after this?

2. Are your legs completely straight? To me, in the vid, they looked like they have slight bumps and curves, but is this just an optical illusion created by the scarring?

3. How do you know that sysop is SysOp's real name?

Tall

1. No, I haven't felt any pain since my frames were removed back in May. And I go to the gym almost every single day, exercise for a few hours, and it never hurts.

2. Yes, the lumps are from where the pin-site used to be. That is the problem with using the external frame because the pin rips through your muscle. Some patients get lucky. My right leg seems to have no lumps but my left has two.

3. I didn't meet Sysop because I was staying at the hotel at that time. But another patient, Machine's roommate told me this.
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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2014, 03:38:38 AM »

Can you describe how 8cm difference make you feel?   How do people react differently than before?   Thanks.

People normally cares only about their own height. And if they are already tall people, then they don't notice anyone. The only 3 men at my company who noticed me were short men. They didn't think I grew taller - but they became shorter.

I feel a lot of weight has been relieved from my back.

In your spare time, could you share the names of the Korean songs? Lol - they're pretty good. How do you know so much about Korean bands?


Yeah, I think the best place to recover is being at home.

1. Epik high - pieces
2. 2pm - again and again
3. Epik high - girls
4. Boa Yoona - only one

My city is infiltrated by Koreans. I met a few in downtown. I liked one of them so I'm listening to their music to understand their culture.
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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2014, 03:53:09 AM »

So, you already did, 8 CM, and you'd like 8 CM more in late 2014!? Wow, I'm jealous  ;D But, I've got to give it to you, you are really one brave guy.

You'll end up 185 CM or 6'1 if all goes according to plan, correct? That's awesome! But, do you think your proportions will accommodate such long new legs? Or do you value height above proportions?

If you don't mind my asking, what are your sitting height and wingspan measurements? I'd also like to reach 6'1, and often wonder if I'd still look proportionate.

Thanks,
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2014, 04:18:47 AM »

Yes, looks very good considering the amount of surgeries you had to go through.

Is there anyway you can place the camera on the floor to capture the lower part of your body, then run/walk forth and back inside the camera view?



Yes, I have x-legs which is the comfortable stance. But if I try I can put my knee and akle together.
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2014, 04:30:14 AM »

So, you already did, 8 CM, and you'd like 8 CM more in late 2014!? Wow, I'm jealous  ;D But, I've got to give it to you, you are really one brave guy.

You'll end up 185 CM or 6'1 if all goes according to plan, correct? That's awesome! But, do you think your proportions will accommodate such long new legs? Or do you value height above proportions?

If you don't mind my asking, what are your sitting height and wingspan measurements? I'd also like to reach 6'1, and often wonder if I'd still look proportionate.

Thanks,
Tall

No worries. Your time will come. At least there are others ahead of you who you can acquire knowledge from so you don't have to suffer from the same mistakes :)

My armspan is 174-176cm
Sitting height 59cm

Proportion is very important for me. I don't want to look like cartoonist. I'm aiming for another 3 inches. This decision was made after spending several months at the gym looking at my proportion in the mirror and at pictures of myself. I do feel I have room for 3 more inches.

I'm wearing high platform nike shoes now, which I purchase before when I was 5'6. If I were to have another 8cm, I would come back home and wear flat shoes. So the 1 inch would be for the shoes and 2 inches would be bonus.
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Re: Smallguy External Tibiae Dr. Sarin 2013
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2014, 04:46:05 AM »

It looks like you will be able to lengthen another 3 inches on your femurs and look fine.

Did you mean to type 89 for your sitting height?
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Re: Smallguy External Tibiae Dr. Sarin 2013
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2014, 06:47:42 PM »

thank you for the video.

I will be honest:
-frontal view standing looks bad because of the x-legs
-sideview walking and standing looks completely normal
-sideview running looks strange, but its obvious u're cautious and holding back. so we'll see when u have recovered.

when it comes to proportion, i actually think couple of inches on femur would do you wonders.
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2014, 01:58:05 AM »

It looks like you will be able to lengthen another 3 inches on your femurs and look fine.

Did you mean to type 89 for your sitting height?

You were right buddy. I just remeasured myself. My sitting height is 90cm and my armspan is 172cm.

thank you for the video.

I will be honest:
-frontal view standing looks bad because of the x-legs
-sideview walking and standing looks completely normal
-sideview running looks strange, but its obvious u're cautious and holding back. so we'll see when u have recovered.

when it comes to proportion, i actually think couple of inches on femur would do you wonders.

An honest opinion is always appreciated. That's why I made that video for you guys :-)

So x-leg is one issue future LL-ers should look out for. I mentioned this to the staff at the Sarin's guesthouse and to the doctor himself. They all told me that it will fix itself once I start walking again. But I guess it didn't.
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Re: Smallguy External Tibiae Dr. Sarin 2013
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2014, 04:27:18 PM »

great video. .i think your x legs are not bad. .
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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2014, 03:43:11 AM »

great video. .i think your x legs are not bad. .

Cool. Good to know! I'm doing daily jogging to see if that helps.

Great videos! How are the scars?

Thanks!

Nothing's change. That video was only taken last week. But now I'm more serious with dealing with my scars. I'm currently using a blemish removal cream for the scars and will let you know in 1-month time if it works.
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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2014, 04:04:59 PM »

I just watched your video again, are you wearing lifts?
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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2014, 07:37:01 PM »

Great vid yo  8)
Im not  a fan of the Korean music editing thought...  it looks like a Korean soap for teenagers.
You should put some Rocky 3 soundtrack instead  8)
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« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2014, 08:15:15 PM »

Congrats man and thanks a lot for the great video! Having someone who takes his time to put together a video that will for sure help us all, this must be appreciated!


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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2014, 01:15:09 AM »

Congrats man and thanks a lot for the great video! Having someone who takes his time to put together a video that will for sure help us all, this must be appreciated!
Tx

No problem. Congratulation to you as well for achieving 8.3cm. How is your condition?
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« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2014, 01:50:07 AM »

I just watched your video again, are you wearing lifts?

Haha, good observation. Yes, but we call it differently here. It's call insole for arch support, and everyone wears them, even my ex female manager at 5'11. It's .5 inch thick. So with my nike shoes at 1 inch, I'm 5'10.5 (5'9 + .5 insole + 1 nike shoes) in the video.

I have this love/hate relationships with my nike shoes. I have wanted to get rid of them for a long time, but I don't feel comfortable without wearing them. That's why if I'm lucky enough to do another LL operation for 3 inches, I would come back wearing a pair of Mephisto flat shoes. I have a pair of Mephisto dress shoes for work and they feel great.

Great vid yo  8)
Im not  a fan of the Korean music editing thought...  it looks like a Korean soap for teenagers.
You should put some Rocky 3 soundtrack instead  8)

Haha, thanks for the advice.

That's true. I don't even understand a word of what he's saying. But the singer is a short guy, so he is singing from a perspective of a short man.

My next video will feature some upbeat Rocky ost or Mike Tyson underdog music for sure.
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« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2014, 12:13:39 PM »

No problem. Congratulation to you as well for achieving 8.3cm. How is your condition?


Thanks!

I actually did 8cm according to Dr Sarin measurement on the table before frame removal.

I am doing good, thanks. My only issue is ballerina and I guess this is one of the issues that delays recovery. I currently have something like around 4cm ballerina but I am working very hard to fight them. Walking walking and walking on top of my daily PT.


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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2014, 01:44:06 AM »


Thanks!

I actually did 8cm according to Dr Sarin measurement on the table before frame removal.

I am doing good, thanks. My only issue is ballerina and I guess this is one of the issues that delays recovery. I currently have something like around 4cm ballerina but I am working very hard to fight them. Walking walking and walking on top of my daily PT.


Tx

Thanks for the info regarding the hydrolic nail.

Ballerina usually goes down by itself. I find jogging helps with my ankle agility. Good to hear that you achieve your goal.

Would you consider another femur operation? Or it's too early to tell? Keep in touch!
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