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[Uppland]

Ever since the user "680" left I have carried the banner of the proportion nazis, we are those who would rather be a bit shorter but better looking and we don't stare blindly at numbers but consider how everything looks as a whole.

I'd implore a lot of you to be cautious about this, after all there is no going back after you've lengthened. What if you're not satisfied with your body shape after surgery, isn't that a terrible risk, isn't it better to be a little bit safer rather than sorry?

Of course expectations vary and what may look acceptable to some looks bad to others. Still I think a lot of you are being naive when you aim to lengthen your legs twice or go beyond 7CM. Consider your proportions carefully, how do you look in thick shoes, without clothes, in high set pants, compared to others that are naturally tall?

Just one or two centimeters can do a lot to your overall look when you're already balancing between normal and strange, it's a pretty insignificant amount of height but it can mean the difference between a strange ugly body and a normal good looking one.

Remember you're artificially creating the body that you'll live with for the rest of your life, better do it right and not take any risks.

[Sweden]

I'm a bit sorry. My tibias are too long. Nobody have as long tibias as I do - nobody!

I did 7, but should have stayed with 5.

Too late now.

Feet ache every day, muscles are tight as hell, some minor problems with going down stairs still.

Don't pass 5cm on tibias.

[Uppland]

I'm a bit sorry. My tibias are too long. Nobody have as long tibias as I do - nobody!

I did 7, but should have stayed with 5.

Too late now.

Feet ache every day, muscles are tight as hell, some minor problems with going down stairs still.

Don't pass 5cm on tibias.

I'm sorry man, at least from what I've seen you look pretty good aside from your tibia:femur ratio. Actually you're one of the better looking ones overall.

I wouldn't do 7CM even on femurs, 6 is the most I'd do but probably 5 to be on the safe side.

[Overdozer]

LL is always a compromise. Doesn't matter if you do 5 or 15. Doing just one surgery will screw up your tibia-femur proportions and biomechanics. Doing 10+ in two segments screws up your leg-torso and leg-armspan proportions and lengthening your arms is required. Speaking about it, I did 5 cm in tibias in Kurgan in 2012, thinking it would be enough for me. After I realized that I was short and still am and got pissed off, plus my tibias looked too long compared to femurs. Also, walking around I didn't feel much of a change, most men still were taller than me. There is no point in lengthening if in the end you aren't gonna get desired results. People doing higher lengthening amounts prioritize height over proportions and it makes perfect sense. Think about it as if you were to choose between being better looking and taller. The taller you are the uglier you get. It's not an easy choice.

Most of LL patients are actually short. Like 10-15 cms shorter than average. Doing just 5 cms I feel is not gonna do much for them. For you it's different, you're only 5 cms shorter than your country average (182 cms), so it makes sense for you to limit yourself to one surgery.

[Uppland]

LL is always a compromise. Doesn't matter if you do 5 or 15. Doing just one surgery will screw up your tibia-femur proportions and biomechanics. Doing 10+ in two segments screws up your leg-torso and leg-armspan proportions and lengthening your arms is required. Speaking about it, I did 5 cm in tibias in Kurgan in 2012, thinking it would be enough for me. After I realized that I was short and still am and got pissed off, plus my tibias looked too long compared to femurs. Also, walking around I didn't feel much of a change, most men still were taller than me. There is no point in lengthening if in the end you aren't gonna get desired results. People doing higher lengthening amounts prioritize height over proportions and it makes perfect sense. Think about it if you were to choose between being better looking and taller. The taller you are the uglier you get. It's not an easy choice.

Most of LL patients are actually short. Like 10-15 cms shorter than average. Doing just 5 cms I feel is not gonna do much for them. For you it's different, you're only 5 cms shorter than your country average (182 cms), so it makes sense for you to limit yourself to one surgery.

Yeah good post, how have you recovered after those 5CM mate?

I'll be 183 after doing 5CM actually so as you say, I'll reach average height but not much more.

[Polycrates.]

I'm a bit sorry. My tibias are too long. Nobody have as long tibias as I do - nobody!

I did 7, but should have stayed with 5.

Too late now.

Feet ache every day, muscles are tight as hell, some minor problems with going down stairs still.

Don't pass 5cm on tibias.

I reckon I have longer tibiae than you, Sweden - 60.1cm knee height. Do you think people notice it on you>

[Overdozer]

Yeah good post, how have you recovered after those 5CM mate?

I recovered perfectly. Except my left leg shrinked 1cm due to unstable fixation. But my knee/ankle ROM was 100%. Now when I did 15 cms in both segments, I can tell you that going over 5 cms in the tibia screws up your ankle dorsiflexion, the '5 cms rule' is cited often for a reason. For tibias, it's actually a magic number. Yeah, lengthening extra 2.5 cms was totally not worth it, but I had to fix LL disrepancy anyways.

[Uppland]

I recovered perfectly. Except my left leg shrinked 1cm due to unstable fixation. But my knee/ankle ROM was 100%. Now when I did 15 cms in both segments, I can tell you that going over 5 cms in the tibia screws up your ankle dorsiflexion, the '5 cms rule' is cited often for a reason. For tibias, it's actually a magic number. Yeah, lengthening extra 2.5 cms was totally not worth it, but I had to fix LL disrepancy anyways.

What can you tell me about lengthening the femur, is 5CM still the magic number?

Come to think of it, I don't know your story at all, if you've got a diary could you post a link?

[Polycrates.]

The worst for me is walking around with a bunch of natural 6fters and knowing that my knee is bending way higher than theirs. I just hope others don't detect it to the extent I'm conscious of it.

[Overdozer]

What can you tell me about lengthening the femur, is 5CM still the magic number?

Come to think of it, I don't know your story at all, if you've got a diary could you post a link?

Femurs can tolerate more lengthening for sure. There's a reason top surgeons recommend lengthening them instead of tibias. Achilles tendon is the most vulnerable when it comes to LL and you're guaranteed to get ankle dorsiflexion limitation (ballerina foot, foot drop, etc), when going over 5 cms (for some the number is even less) and it's close to impossible to work it out (ask Sweden, Apo), most of the times requiring a tendon release.

[Uppland]

Femurs can tolerate more lengthening for sure. There's a reason top surgeons recommend lengthening them instead of tibias. Achilles tendon is the most vulnerable when it comes to LL and you're guaranteed to get ankle dorsiflexion limitation (ballerina foot, foot drop, etc), when going over 5 cms (for some the number is even less) and it's close to impossible to work it out (ask Sweden, Apo), most of the times requiring a tendon release.

Thank you, I will be pursuing femur lengthening with a target of 5-6CM.

I reckon I have longer tibiae than you, Sweden - 60.1cm knee height. Do you think people notice it on you>

I just measured my knee height at 50-51CM. I never measure below 178 and never above 180, make of that what you will.

[Alu]

Uppland I have to ask if you believe the true inseam to height ratio is a good indication of proportionality in relation to legs and torso. That's really the only thing I'm worried about. In terms of wingspan and what not I'm content with having a 1-2' negative ape index. Do you think going over 48% in inseam to height ratio is where your legs become noticeably freakish in comparison to your body? 

[Uppland]

Uppland I have to ask if you believe the true inseam to height ratio is a good indication of proportionality in relation to legs and torso. That's really the only thing I'm worried about. In terms of wingspan and what not I'm content with having a 1-2' negative ape index. Do you think going over 48% in inseam to height ratio is where your legs become noticeably freakish in comparison to your body?

Yes I do think there is some truth to that, although "freakish" is a bit of an overstatement. I reach 48% after 5CM of extra leg length, at that point my legs look long but nothing out of the ordinary. It is when I go beyond 48% that my legs start to look off very fast, 6CM (48,3%) might be passable I can't decide but 7CM (48,6%) definitely isn't and 8CM (48,9%) look way off.

I would say there is some merit to staying at or below 48%.

[theuprising]

I would like to post my appreciation for the proportion nazi for making me rethink my initial LL goals. I was the typical "no one notices proportions in real life" guy. Really just trying to justify my own large lengthening goals which I think is pretty typical of newbies. Of course the overwhelming majority of people I interacted with have never had LL so their proportions are completely natural. Thanks to all the guys who have posted after pictures both good and bad they made me realize even doing less than 5cm can make you look weird if you don't know your starting measurement and how important they are and also the guys like those posting in this thread sharing their own experiences. So few people hang around afterwards particularly sharing the bad as well as good.

 

[G-Man]

I'm a bit sorry. My tibias are too long. Nobody have as long tibias as I do - nobody!

I did 7, but should have stayed with 5.

Too late now.

Feet ache every day, muscles are tight as hell, some minor problems with going down stairs still.

Don't pass 5cm on tibias.

I am curious, I think you have a bit of x legs now, you could have another surgery to correct the x and maybe shorten 1 or 2 cm at the same time.  Would you do it or you'd prefer to keep the height?

[beingchinmay]

Thank you for the information. Was a Good read. Looking for more information

[Taller]

45.6 true inseam to height ratio. I hope that'll leave room for 5-6CM.

[Uppland]

45.6 true inseam to height ratio. I hope that'll leave room for 5-6CM.

It should, mine is 46% and I think 5 or even 6CM will be fine.