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[Penguinn]

I'm 5'2(157cms) and today my best friend came over. He must be about 5'7. I told him about LL and asked him to stand in the mirror next to me and his waist is about 3-4 inches higher than mine. He looks like he's done at least 2 inches of LL when he obviously hasn't. Either that or my legs are just short.

So if your proportions LOOK alright, they're alright. This is obviously aesthetically speaking and not about the altered bio-mechanics.

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[Sweden]

Try out a racing leather suit and you'll see that guys taller than you have longer arms and everything else.

Everyone is proportionate but can get away with lengthening if they put on muscles.
Your legs are proportionate for your height, not short, not tall - proportionate.

Sorry.

[Penguinn]

Try out a racing leather suit and you'll see that guys taller than you have longer arms and everything else.

That isn't a realistic scenario. How often will you put on a racing/full body swimming suit?

Your legs are proportionate for your height, not short, not tall - proportionate.

So all men that are the same height have legs that are exactly the same height too? Highly doubt it. Sometimes the torso is longer, sometimes the legs are.

[Uppland]

Taller men have longer legs on average, most of the height difference between me and my dad are leg length.

They also have broader torso's and shoulders as well as longer arms though.

[Polycrates.]

Uppland,

Do you know your dad's sitting height? How much more is it than yours? I believe you mentioned your dad is 188cm, correct? 

[Sweden]

Guys of the same age is just about exactly proportionate.

It's the fat and muscles that makes the difference. Legs are the same just as torso and arms.

It's only on this forum in the entire world where EVERYBODY has short legs.

Forget about it.

Oh, and I said try it out, not wear it every day. If you and your friend try it out you'll see that his arms are longer than yours - and everything else on him.

[Overdozer]

Guys of the same age is just about exactly proportionate.

You sure about that?

http://adc.bmj.com/content/90/8/807.full

Cross-sectional data on height and sitting height were collected from 14 500 children of Dutch origin in the age range 0–21 years.

In exceptionally short or tall children, the dependency of the SH/H ratio (SDS) on height SDS has to be taken into consideration in the evaluation of body proportions

It is generally known that tall children have relatively long legs and vice versa.4,5 Therefore, we conjecture that the interpretation of SH/H ratio should not only be based on age references, but also on height.

This is illustrated in fig 3 which presents a scatter plot of SH/H SDS versus height SDS. The equiprobable ellipse around 95% of the points shows a tendency towards decreasing SH/H SDS with increasing height SDS. Conversely, shorter children have higher SH/H ratios, thus relatively shorter legs.

During the past two centuries in the Netherlands, as well as in many more industrialised countries, a positive secular growth change has been observed.6 Various studies have shown that the positive secular change is mainly due to increase in leg length rather than in trunk length.1,4,10–13 Tanner reported that between the 1950s and 1980s Japanese height increased solely due to change in leg length. Sitting height showed no increase, so the trunk/leg proportions changed much more towards the proportions of North Europeans, though their final height was still 1 SD lower.14

The Oosterwolde study showed that in 10 years (1980–90) the increase in height was more pronounced than the increase in sitting height, so the major secular change must have been in the legs

In conclusion, new reference charts for sitting height, leg length, and body proportion are presented. There was a statistically significant negative correlation between SH/LL and SH/H and height. For practical purposes, in an exceptionally short child a SH/H ratio below +2.5 SDS and in a tall child a SH/H ratio above –2.2 should still be considered normal.

You like to talk as if you know everything, but do you?

[Sweden]

It is just a fact: Shorter people doesn't have just shorter legs. We ARE proportionate from the beginning!!

We can get away with leg lengthening, sure, but we are already proportionate from the beginning.
Your arms are not equal long as anyone who is taller than you - not happening!

Bones grow too if you body builds, they even gets wider too.

I have very broad shoulders and they were extreme before the surgery compared to my height. But I also have very strong shoulders too, that's why.

[Uppland]

Uppland,

Do you know your dad's sitting height? How much more is it than yours? I believe you mentioned your dad is 188cm, correct?

He's 186,5 at his lowest I guess he wakes up around 188. I don't know his sitting height but I estimate it to be 1 or 2CM taller than mine which means that his legs are 6-7CM longer. He does look pretty long-legged though.

@Dozer Thanks for posting but what really matters is how it looks IRl. Either it looks good or it doesn't.

I have another anecdote in case you're interested. I actually measured my freinds inseam (he never shrinks below 185) and it was 88CM, for the record mine is 83CM and I'm 7CM shorter.

[Sweden]

Your friend must think your weird 

Measure his arms as well. Everything on him will be longer than your measurements.


Your starting height was greater than mine. I can come visit you and we can measure our arms and everything. Then you'll see that I'm taller than you ONLY when standing up. You'll probably reach farther up than me.

I'm in Stockholm, so it's close to everything.

[Uppland]

Your friend must think your weird 

Measure his arms as well. Everything on him will be longer than your measurements.


Your starting height was greater than mine. I can come visit you and we can measure our arms and everything. Then you'll see that I'm taller than you ONLY when standing up. You'll probably reach farther up than me.

I'm in Stockholm, so it's close to everything.

Yeah it was an odd conversation, I also measured my dads arms actually they are 78CM each -mine are 75CM. I live in Uppsala and I'm visiting Stockholm the day after tomorrow, it might be interesting to meet up.

EDIT- "My starting height is", I haven't done the surgery and I'm still a little bit on the fence.

[Penguinn]

Sweden- I agree with my friend having longer arms but it's a fact that his waist was at least 3-4 inches higher than mine. Meaning my TORSO was only 1-2 inches shorter than his. Out of 5 inches of height he had on me, 3 was in legs. Point being if I was 5'5 with 3 inches in my legs, I would look perfectly normal standing next to him. No non-LLer would generally point out proportions or even care enough to note that something's amiss.

I'm not talking about the arms. I'm talking about the torso+legs which constitutes your standing height.

But about the arms, my dad is 5'4 and we have equally long arms. Maybe my arms will look small when I'm 5'5 but not enough for anyone to point it out. And if they do... quite frankly.. I don't really give a fk.

[Alu]

Well I feel the exact same way as you do but I'm just wondering if I can ever live with having shorter in comparison to my height. It will all depend on my Ape Index sure, but I'm just curious what the physical and psychology effects would be.

[Penguinn]

Well I feel the exact same way as you do but I'm just wondering if I can ever live with having shorter in comparison to my height. It will all depend on my Ape Index sure, but I'm just curious what the physical and psychology effects would be.

My legs are a bit shorter anyway so I don't care. I don't think anyone will notice 5cm even if your legs are perfectly in the median range of that chart- I'll try 3 inches(8cm) without hesitation about proportions.

[theuprising]

My legs are a bit shorter anyway so I don't care. I don't think anyone will notice 5cm even if your legs are perfectly in the median range of that chart- I'll try 3 inches(8cm) without hesitation about proportions.

If you don't mind sharing how long are your femurs and tibias?

[Penguinn]

If you don't mind sharing how long are your femurs and tibias?

Here. http://imgur.com/qfVtOIw

The lengthened femurs don't look bad. The lengthened tibias look absolutely horrifying.

What I'm really worried about is my arms/hands being smaller. Not worried about torso/legs proportions. (aesthetically speaking)

[theuprising]

Here. http://imgur.com/qfVtOIw

The lengthened femurs don't look bad. The lengthened tibias look absolutely horrifying.

What I'm really worried about is my arms/hands being smaller. Not worried about torso/legs proportions. (aesthetically speaking)

It's hard to accurately gauge your proportions as your wearing a shirt and I can't tell where your waist is as you tucked the shirt into your underpants. The arm/Hand issue will come up but at 5'2 I think it's understandable to want 8cm on femur. Does it affect things like being in a comfortable Position while driving being 5'2? I know People are shorter in India but I imagine daily Tasks could be annoying at that height.

[Penguinn]

It's hard to accurately gauge your proportions as your wearing a shirt and I can't tell where your waist is as you tucked the shirt into your underpants. The arm/Hand issue will come up but at 5'2 I think it's understandable to want 8cm on femur. Does it affect things like being in a comfortable Position while driving being 5'2? I know People are shorter in India but I imagine daily Tasks could be annoying at that height.

I purposely tucked my shirt exactly at the waist level. So that's my waist.

I'm 17 and it would have been a year before I start driving, now 2 years thanks to LL. Get dat 5'5 printed on my driver's license. But I've sat in a driving seat and no, it's not a problem at all. I imagine driving is only a problem for someone under 5 feet.

[Keep Growing]

Judging by this picture, I don't understand why the majority recommend to lengthen tibia.

[Penguinn]

Judging by this picture, I don't understand why the majority recommend to lengthen tibia.

My femurs are relatively shorter. I'm sure it's not the same for everyone.

Also those doing externals have to do tibia.

[GOODLUCK]

Not an expert on this. But I suppose unless U go beyond 8cm or even 9cm, proportion wouldn't be severely distorted anyhow. I personally would care more about the functionality (Can you run? Can you go to work normally?). Everyone is different. People of same height can have femurs and tibias of quite different length. With clothing, that wouldn't be much compromised.

[Samuimw]

Some people even they are short they can be propriated. Their build is just small.