Topic: Any evidence of people doing over 10cm and looking normal? (Read 8190 times)

theuprising · « **on:** July 21, 2015, 03:41:07 PM »

It can be over 2 segments or 1 segments.

YellowSpike · « **Reply #1 on:** July 21, 2015, 03:45:55 PM »

Good topic/question. I wish we could see some photos of guys who did 10cm on their femurs. I still toy around with doing another 2-3cm on femurs, but I feel like my proportions would be terrible, so probably have to bite the bullet and do tibias (as much as I really don't want to).

crimsontide · « **Reply #2 on:** July 21, 2015, 04:56:46 PM »

10 cm

idk , but 10 cm on one segment cant be good for mechanics

YellowSpike · « **Reply #3 on:** July 21, 2015, 05:14:42 PM »

Quote from: crimsontide on July 21, 2015, 04:56:46 PM

10 cm

idk , but 10 cm on one segment cant be good for mechanics

Dr G told me a patient recently completed 18cm in femurs only, and that the guy apparently looked normal in clothes. But I don't know what his starting height was.

I look fine now 7cm added, but not sure if I did 2.5cm more...that might send it over the top.

crimsontide · « **Reply #4 on:** July 21, 2015, 05:21:14 PM »

18 cm, i dont believe the dr

unless he was very young, and had some deformity. id have to see the actual case study to believe an adult in his late 20's or 30's can lengthen 18 cm in femurs and then be completely fine

Descreteuser · « **Reply #5 on:** July 21, 2015, 09:11:45 PM »

a patient here did 11cm on his tibias.. i only saw him sitting down but his tibias looked so long.. and he had ballerina like u wouldnt believe.. doubt he will be walking any time soon..

YellowSpike · « **Reply #6 on:** July 21, 2015, 09:21:56 PM »

Yeah I think anything over 7.5cm on one segment depending on your starting proportions might be too much.

theuprising · « **Reply #7 on:** July 22, 2015, 06:13:22 AM »

From the patients I've seen I think starting height is a key factor in how much someone can do. The guys around 170cm going to 180cm are on the cusp of looking weird. Guys around 165cm going to 175cm tend to look weird. The question then becomes is it better to be slightly shorter and look normal or be taller and look strange. I think people on here downplay proportions due to having a complex of being short and getting taller is better no matter what.

I don't think anyone can do amounts like 7.5cm on each segment and look normal even 180cm guys.

goldenegg · « **Reply #8 on:** July 22, 2015, 11:20:55 AM »

Quote from: YellowSpike on July 21, 2015, 05:14:42 PM

Dr G told me a patient recently completed 18cm in femurs only, and that the guy apparently looked normal in clothes. But I don't know what his starting height was.

I look fine now 7cm added, but not sure if I did 2.5cm more...that might send it over the top.

Yeah I very briefly met the guy who did 18 cms a few weeks ago. He was coming back to milan to get the nails removed. I honestly probably wouldn't have believed dr G or disregarded if I hadn't seen him in person. I think people who choose to do femurs twice are just looking for the fastest possible recovery and really don't care about proportions etc. walking was normal, didn't see him run or anything. he did 2 operations over the span of 2 years. Yeah he looked normal at first glance and you probably wouldn't think twice if I saw him in the street. It's only after really thinking about proportions and knowing he did 18cms did I determine that his arms were kinda short for his height. Unless I saw him nked couldn't really see anything else that looked off. I personally wouldn't and he seemed to lots of time to focus on recovery 2 yrs and youth on his side- started the first op in his mid 20s. Oh yeah he was taller than dr g maybe 5 '10 or 11 so subtracting 18cm I guess he was 5'3 or 4 originally. Pretty amazing what is possible.

YellowSpike · « **Reply #9 on:** July 22, 2015, 12:47:44 PM »

Quote from: goldenegg on July 22, 2015, 11:20:55 AM

Yeah I very briefly met the guy who did 18 cms a few weeks ago. He was coming back to milan to get the nails removed. I honestly probably wouldn't have believed dr G or disregarded if I hadn't seen him in person. I think people who choose to do femurs twice are just looking for the fastest possible recovery and really don't care about proportions etc. walking was normal, didn't see him run or anything. he did 2 operations over the span of 2 years. Yeah he looked normal at first glance and you probably wouldn't think twice if I saw him in the street. It's only after really thinking about proportions and knowing he did 18cms did I determine that his arms were kinda short for his height. Unless I saw him nked couldn't really see anything else that looked off. I personally wouldn't and he seemed to lots of time to focus on recovery 2 yrs and youth on his side- started the first op in his mid 20s. Oh yeah he was taller than dr g maybe 5 '10 or 11 so subtracting 18cm I guess he was 5'3 or 4 originally. Pretty amazing what is possible.

How were his proportions of femur/tibia? That's my main concern. Right now, no one would know I did LL, I look perfectly normal. I just toy with the idea of doing another inch on femurs (because it would be super easy and fast), but then I feel like my tibias would look too short relative to my femurs (but my legs/torso proportions can easily handle another 2, dare I say even 3 inches). So for this, I feel like I'm gonna be stuck doing tibias in a few years, which I really, really, REALLY don't want to do......

Mw1245 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 22, 2015, 02:12:58 PM »

Quote from: theuprising on July 22, 2015, 06:13:22 AM

I don't think anyone can do amounts like 7.5cm on each segment and look normal even 180cm guys.

even when the wingspan can handle it ?

Uppland · « **Reply #11 on:** July 22, 2015, 04:41:10 PM »

Quote from: YellowSpike on July 21, 2015, 09:21:56 PM

Yeah I think anything over 7.5cm on one segment depending on your starting proportions might be too much.

True, I can't do more than 6CM and even then my legs will look pretty long. It's not just about reaching a certain number, what good does being tall do if you can't carry the height you know.

I'd rather be average with a good looking body than tall with a weird one.

goldenegg · « **Reply #12 on:** July 22, 2015, 05:05:59 PM »

Quote from: YellowSpike on July 22, 2015, 12:47:44 PM

How were his proportions of femur/tibia? That's my main concern. Right now, no one would know I did LL, I look perfectly normal. I just toy with the idea of doing another inch on femurs (because it would be super easy and fast), but then I feel like my tibias would look too short relative to my femurs (but my legs/torso proportions can easily handle another 2, dare I say even 3 inches). So for this, I feel like I'm gonna be stuck doing tibias in a few years, which I really, really, REALLY don't want to do......

I think his femur/tibia proportions looked ok, but to be honest I generally don't have a really good eye for that and my standard is pretty low since I try to avoid getting into the whole proportion neurosis. He also had those long skinny shorts on which may have hid it well. I'm sure anyone on here who cares about femur/tib ratio though probably would have noticed, since it is alot of lengthening for just one segment.

IMHO, I think most people don't notice things like femur/tibia proportions unless they're specifically looking for it, whereas everyone notices height. I would be concerned about my proportions though if I thought it would have a significant negative effect on my body mechanics, lead to arthritis, etc.

theuprising · « **Reply #13 on:** July 22, 2015, 05:35:57 PM »

Quote from: Mw1245 on July 22, 2015, 02:12:58 PM

even when the wingspan can handle it ?

Yes. It is firstly incredibly unlikely they have wingspan that is 15cm greater than their natural height. This would only happen if some major growth stunting happened to the legs and only the legs, once again incredibly unlikely for most LL patients. It is not just wingspan but also torso to legs which would be off.

KrP1 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 22, 2015, 06:40:15 PM »

no one could look ok doing 18 cm in one segment, it is imposible if he hasnt got any disease before lengthening , so nked he will look like a freak

Polycrates. · « **Reply #15 on:** July 22, 2015, 11:09:11 PM »

Yellow Spike,

What is Dr. G's take on tibia lengthening? Does he ever do it, and does he have anything to say about it with regards to proportion?

YellowSpike · « **Reply #16 on:** July 23, 2015, 12:10:13 AM »

Quote from: Polycrates. on July 22, 2015, 11:09:11 PM

Yellow Spike,

What is Dr. G's take on tibia lengthening? Does he ever do it, and does he have anything to say about it with regards to proportion?

I told Dr. G I am on the fence about doing further lengthening, and am concerned that if I do even 2-3cm more on my femurs (the easy way for another inch), I'd look out of proportion. He insists that I won't look terribly out of proportion, and has said that he has had many patients do 5cm and them 5cm again, both times on femurs, and they look ok (including some who have even done over 10cm on just femurs, which to me is crazy, but he insists that aesthetically and biomechanically they are ok). Leechlet for example did I think 9-10cm on his femurs, and from I remember, he didn't look terrible (and he started at like 162cm).

I'm not sure if he does tibias, I think he does, but only with external devices (which kind, I'm not sure). Someone told me that Dr. G doesn't agree with Dr. Betz internal nail for tibias and that it's actually dangerous to use the same nail for femurs on tibias. If I did tibias, I'd do LON most likely, but would only do like 4cm tops to keep the risks in check. My may concern with tibias is the recovery time while I focus on my career. I may have to either settle for my current height of 173 or accept slightly bad proportions to get to 175.5 from femurs again. Not sure what to do. I look perfectly fine now, my femurs only look a little long when I'm nked, but they're also still fairly thin and need some meat on them. So it's hard to say if another inch would send me completely out of proportion.

Beardedguy · « **Reply #17 on:** August 04, 2015, 09:55:24 PM »

Quote from: theuprising on July 22, 2015, 06:13:22 AM

From the patients I've seen I think starting height is a key factor in how much someone can do. The guys around 170cm going to 180cm are on the cusp of looking weird. Guys around 165cm going to 175cm tend to look weird. The question then becomes is it better to be slightly shorter and look normal or be taller and look strange. I think people on here downplay proportions due to having a complex of being short and getting taller is better no matter what.

I don't think anyone can do amounts like 7.5cm on each segment and look normal even 180cm guys.

What about a 1.80 guy going to 1.88 - 5 on femur, 3 on tibia- would it be safe?

Uppland · « **Reply #18 on:** August 04, 2015, 10:28:01 PM »

Yellowspike aren't your legs long?

When it comes to proportions my primary concern is overall leg length to torso ratio. I actually measured the inseam of one of my friends who is 185-186 and it came out as 88CM -5CM more than mine.

If I do 7CM my inseam will be 90CM and my legs will look awkwardly long in shoes.

mb53 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 04, 2015, 10:38:10 PM »

I have abnormally short femurs (my tibiae are almost as long) so Dr. Paley said I should actually look more proportional after an 8cm femoral lengthening.

Taller · « **Reply #20 on:** August 05, 2015, 02:19:52 PM »

Uppland, I highly doubt anyone will notice that your inseam will be 2CM longer than that of fully proportionate 185CM people. And that difference falls into the range of natural variation in proportion between human, so I highly doubt that anyone would suspect LL.

Emef · « **Reply #21 on:** August 19, 2015, 10:28:37 AM »

Yup you can find whole chunk of people that have done near to 10 and even greater than it.Even our buddy rgkey did 9cm and he seems pretty happy with it.

Penguinn · « **Reply #22 on:** August 19, 2015, 11:45:46 AM »

There must be people who did over 10 and are fine.
And others who did over 10 and had problems.

Don't have pictures and though.

crimsontide · « **Reply #23 on:** August 19, 2015, 01:19:28 PM »

i def gotta disagree with plenty of guys doing over 10 and being okay

where are these people???

Emef · « **Reply #24 on:** August 19, 2015, 05:14:47 PM »

Older forum brother.literally whole bunch of em

Alu · « **Reply #25 on:** August 19, 2015, 05:28:47 PM »

I would say there are many factors to be involved when it comes to lengthening to 10cm. Everyone is different in some form of fashion. But what I'm somewhat confident is that those who have an inseam to height ratio of 48% or lower will look better after LL. The other problem in the end would be their wingspans as I'm sure not many people who undergo LL have a +3 inch ape index to begin with; most people after lengthening 10cm will have an ape index in the -1-2 inch range.

At the same time I feel like anyone going to 10cm should consider getting arm lengthening just to even out the proportions. Which even then would seem like such a giant hassle as you be doing a grand total of 3 surgeries (don't even lengthen one segment to 10cm). And just so everyone is curious that's the route I'm personally considering heavily; but only time will tell.

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