Topic: tibia longer than femur (Read 11683 times)

microman · « **on:** July 13, 2015, 03:24:10 AM »

after reading mediums drink of waters comments on tibia length could equal femur, but not go over, i would like to know if anyone's tibia has gone longer than with LL femur and what exactly are the issues that come with that.

I only ask because i have really short legs so i can imagine having to choose between 4 or 5cm for my operation, and if more is required I'd have to do a 2nd operation.

KrP1 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2015, 08:37:58 AM »

Yeah. Normal tibia/femur ratio is 0.8 . Tibia/femur rato could be at maxinum 1:0 . If it is longer mechanics willl be affected

microman · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:03:50 AM »

but wasn't it mentioned that some people such as basketballers have longer tibia than femur, how would they get by exactly.

theuprising · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:07:13 AM »

Quote from: microman on July 13, 2015, 11:03:50 AM

but wasn't it mentioned that some people such as basketballers have longer tibia than femur, how would they get by exactly.

That seems highly unlikely that they would have longer tibia than femur. Can you point to a source?

microman · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:51:50 AM »

oh right okay i read on the old forum that they could have longer tibia, but i to would like sources to back that up.

Alittletooshort · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2015, 01:59:57 PM »

No one has longer tibias than femurs, as long as he doesn't have some kind of disease.
I don't now what happens exactly If they get longer than your femurs but I'm sure your power transmission will be fked up afterwards.
Dr. Mitkovich will measure them and I'm sure that he'll tell you what's your upper limit will be.

microman · « **Reply #6 on:** July 13, 2015, 03:01:52 PM »

ah yes of course I do have the tibia/femur ratio calculation, thanks for clearing that up that the longest my tibia could be is that is can match my femur.

given that the natural is 0.8, and the maximum could be 1.0, what exactly would change if you went from 0.8 to 1.0, I read running would be harder at 1.0, would anything else be harder to do.

FutureLengthener · « **Reply #7 on:** July 13, 2015, 06:33:00 PM »

This is kind of the opposite of microman's question--but what if F/T ratio goes BELOW 0.8? Would that be as bad as going over 1.0, or would 0.75 be like the equally common, natural converse of 0.85? (i.e. both are a .05 deviation from the golden 0.8 ratio)

FutureLengthener · « **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2015, 06:34:23 PM »

And if anyone wants to tell stories about how they are pre-LL, PLEASE don't use home measurements. Even if you understand anatomy and where each bone actually ends its still hard to get accurate measurements without an XRay.

microman · « **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2015, 06:37:25 PM »

I would have guessed it would be fine, since many people do femurs only.

i have seen pictures of people with really long femurs, but haven't seen any of people with longer tibia than femurs, that at least sais something.

theuprising · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2015, 06:52:42 PM »

Having femur length outside of normal ratio would also be problematic. Other than making you like you have goat legs one can only imagine the increased knee strain. Taller on the old forum discussed this as one of the reasons he had to do tibia lengthening after his femur lengthening as he was at high risk of arthritis. No way of getting around nature without it fighting back.

microman · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2015, 06:54:21 PM »

Yellospike defenitely has really long femurs, don't know what the ratio is but you an view it in his diary.

FutureLengthener · « **Reply #12 on:** July 14, 2015, 06:51:51 AM »

Yeah, femurs can definitely become too long too. I can just imagine how I'd walk if I did 10cm femurs...my knees would barely bend with each step, and it would feel like I was dragging my tibias along.

But people definitely have overdone tibias. Look at Calic. Sweden is a much less extreme example. From what I remember, both them had almost equal length segments to begin with but ended up with longer tibiae than femurs.

microman · « **Reply #13 on:** July 14, 2015, 08:53:50 AM »

oh right i thought Calic has equal lengths post op.

YellowSpike · « **Reply #14 on:** July 20, 2015, 11:34:19 PM »

Quote from: microman on July 13, 2015, 06:54:21 PM

Yellospike defenitely has really long femurs, don't know what the ratio is but you an view it in his diary.

That is after 7cm+ of lengthening. They actually look perfectly fine in person. They look long still because they're also still pretty thin. My tibia to femur ratio was 79% before LL.

This is my only concern with doing another inch on femurs, which is why I will probably be stuck doing tibias in a few years, which blows, but whatever. I don't think an inch on tibias will be too terrible (and at least with tibias, you actually get the full amount you lengthen lol).

theuprising · « **Reply #15 on:** July 21, 2015, 02:46:30 AM »

Quote from: YellowSpike on July 20, 2015, 11:34:19 PM

That is after 7cm+ of lengthening. They actually look perfectly fine in person. They look long still because they're also still pretty thin. My tibia to femur ratio was 79% before LL.

This is my only concern with doing another inch on femurs, which is why I will probably be stuck doing tibias in a few years, which blows, but whatever. I don't think an inch on tibias will be too terrible (and at least with tibias, you actually get the full amount you lengthen lol).

This is the part of LL that scares me. We do one part then for whatever reason you feel its not enough and have to do another segment, then the arms start looking short and those have to be lengthened etc. It causes this flow on effect.

YellowSpike · « **Reply #16 on:** July 21, 2015, 01:53:44 PM »

Quote from: theuprising on July 21, 2015, 02:46:30 AM

This is the part of LL that scares me. We do one part then for whatever reason you feel its not enough and have to do another segment, then the arms start looking short and those have to be lengthened etc. It causes this flow on effect.

Yup. I'm not at all worried about my wingspan or torso/legs ratio, I only want to do like an inch/inch and a half more on tibias (Tibias are scary as f*ck to me, so I would only lengthen them like 3-4, just to get me to a solid 5'9" at night).

I believe LL really is only for guys who can clear 5'9/5'10 in one surgery. Or, who are super rich and have all the time in the world to do two back to back surgeries. If you can't clear 5'10", it's just not worth it. I mean...look at all the guys here who are 5'10 and up who want this sh*t?

I'll be breaking my tibias in about a year and a half...can't friggin wait!!!!

Medium Drink Of Water · « **Reply #17 on:** July 21, 2015, 02:20:26 PM »

Why do tibias scare you?

YellowSpike · « **Reply #18 on:** July 21, 2015, 02:21:43 PM »

Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on July 21, 2015, 02:20:26 PM

Why do tibias scare you?

Breaking four bones as opposed to only two, longer consolidation period, risk of ballerina, having to choose between an internal method (faster recovery) or eternal recovery and no knee pain...they just seem more prone to complications in general. But I got over the fear one time, I'll do it again. I'm just not gonna lengthen more than 4cm to keep the risks in check.

Medium Drink Of Water · « **Reply #19 on:** July 21, 2015, 02:31:59 PM »

Don't worry about the fibula even if something does go wrong with its consolidation/alignment. Non-cosmetic doctors routinely raid that bone to use for grafts to use elsewhere on the body. It doesn't do much for you anyway.

Ballerina is pretty much the same as duck ass; just something that happens when the muscles/tendons don't stretch as fast as the bone. I had only mild ballerina after doing 7.5 cm and it went away completely.

Recovery time really depends on your metabolism and bone regeneration ability. Dr. Mitkovic told me to expect to be in fixators for 9 months to lengthen 7 cm with external-only. And judging by my excellent bone growth in Beijing, it probably would've taken less time than that. Knee pain is a risk, not a guarantee, and half of the people who experience it get relief when the nails are removed.

4cm is almost like not lengthening at all. You'll be fine; no need to be scared. Smile.

AnotherLevel · « **Reply #20 on:** July 21, 2015, 02:55:37 PM »

Quote from: YellowSpike on July 21, 2015, 01:53:44 PM

Yup. I'm not at all worried about my wingspan or torso/legs ratio, I only want to do like an inch/inch and a half more on tibias (Tibias are scary as f*ck to me, so I would only lengthen them like 3-4, just to get me to a solid 5'9" at night).

I believe LL really is only for guys who can clear 5'9/5'10 in one surgery. Or, who are super rich and have all the time in the world to do two back to back surgeries. If you can't clear 5'10", it's just not worth it. I mean...look at all the guys here who are 5'10 and up who want this sh*t?

I'll be breaking my tibias in about a year and a half...can't friggin wait!!!!

Can I ask you please YellowSpike what your inseam is now? And you femur to tibia ratio?

YellowSpike · « **Reply #21 on:** July 21, 2015, 03:11:28 PM »

Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on July 21, 2015, 02:31:59 PM

Don't worry about the fibula even if something does go wrong with its consolidation/alignment. Non-cosmetic doctors routinely raid that bone to use for grafts to use elsewhere on the body. It doesn't do much for you anyway.

Ballerina is pretty much the same as duck ass; just something that happens when the muscles/tendons don't stretch as fast as the bone. I had only mild ballerina after doing 7.5 cm and it went away completely.

Recovery time really depends on your metabolism and bone regeneration ability. Dr. Mitkovic told me to expect to be in fixators for 9 months to lengthen 7 cm with external-only. And judging by my excellent bone growth in Beijing, it probably would've taken less time than that. Knee pain is a risk, not a guarantee, and half of the people who experience it get relief when the nails are removed.

4cm is almost like not lengthening at all. You'll be fine; no need to be scared. Smile.

lol thanks. You make it sound so easy.

I really worry about consolidation and ballerina, because I'm naturally very muscular. My calves are huge, and I don't even work them out at all. I'd actually like 5cm, but I think I'll be content with 4cm because it will put me at 5'9.5" evening height, which is totally fine by me. That is average and definitely safe enough to almost never come off as short.

I just need recovery and the process to be over fast. I have a career to manage. But somehow I will get this sh*t done, as much as it's going to royally suck. I really don't want to do it, but I feel like I don't have a choice. I'll regret not truly doing all that I could to get taller.

Quote from: AnotherLevel on July 21, 2015, 02:55:37 PM

Can I ask you please YellowSpike what your inseam is now? And you femur to tibia ratio?

Not sure what my post-LL ratio is, but my inseam is between 30-32 (waist size is 32-33). But I think my inseam is closer to 30-31.

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