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Re: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery
« Reply #93 on: February 26, 2014, 03:12:53 PM »

As you probably realized english is not my native language and for me a few is something between 3-7. My surgery was exactly 7 weeks from now. I grow 1 mm a day.
So I just got up and will click now and then I have my 5cm :):):) ;D ;D ;D

I talked to Elke again. I wasnt shure yesterday evening how many patients she already had, neither is she. But she said its close to 200. She isnt shure about it (dont forget she is doing it for 7 years now) but those 5 people had some bent screws or bent nails... a bent screw is easy and cheap fixable and a bent nail is fixable as well but costs you quite a bit of money. The really bad thing is when you have a fractur and she said she saw that only once... then you probably have to stop lenghtening, thats worst case. But if you have a fractur then you definately did something stupid.

About the titanium nails: As far as I know it costs you 16000 EUR (22000 USD). I am not sure what some guys think of that surgery but you you cant sit on a couch and Dr. Betz is putting titanium nails in your legs. He operates in a high modern surgery room. They have probably the most expensive devices you can get for money. Betz have to pay rent for the surgery room and thats expensive. He has to pay an anesthetist which is monitoring you during the whole procedur and like 5 other assistents who help him during the procedur. He has to pay the hospital to take care of you after surgery. There are a lot of hidden costs.
And if you do everything right you anyway dont have to go for titanium nails.

Whoever you choose you cant be faster than 1mm a day. But with Dr. Betz you can go to work (office job) once you leave the hospital. To tell you the truth I could have gone to work 3 days after surgery. No problem at all. Its individual of course but I think if someone really want to work he can do it. A lot of Betz patients work.

You shouldn't ask Elke, ask the other doctors in Neunkirchen and Orscholz. It is obvious that people who have a financial interest in Betz try to downplay the complications. Blaming the patients is also a good method. You have just been lucky until now but that doesn't mean that the bad things didn't happen.
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Re: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery
« Reply #94 on: February 26, 2014, 03:16:53 PM »

Hey Mime,

How many of the Betz patients do you know with issues with their nails/screws?

Thanks.
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Re: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery
« Reply #95 on: February 26, 2014, 03:51:44 PM »

Hey Mime,

How many of the Betz patients do you know with issues with their nails/screws?

Thanks.
Around 30% of his femur patients.
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Re: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery
« Reply #96 on: February 26, 2014, 03:54:09 PM »

There was a time I was considering doing LL with him.

Around 30% of his femur patients.
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Re: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery
« Reply #97 on: February 26, 2014, 04:55:47 PM »

Around 30% of his femur patients.
you sure meant 30.121 %  u lying sack of  .
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Re: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery
« Reply #98 on: February 26, 2014, 05:07:52 PM »

you sure meant 30.121 %  u lying sack of s**t.

Chill with the language.  We can have respectful debates here without cursing community members out...
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Re: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery
« Reply #99 on: February 26, 2014, 05:13:02 PM »

The guy is a troll. That's all. Just ignore him.
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Re: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery
« Reply #100 on: February 26, 2014, 05:15:31 PM »

Chill with the language.  We can have respectful debates here without cursing community members out...

sorry I had a bad day at the office.

But this guy needs to be stopped. Just look through his posting history. 90% of the posts contains defamotory information about Dr. Betz. None of it is backed by any evidence.
There is even a patient on the previous page who claims he had a second thought after reading all the negative things written only to find out its all false.

How is this any good? we are now trying to scare away future LLers from certain doctors? whats the logic in this? why is this allowed?
why is it only when someone points out his hateful misinformation that you reply? doesnt his misinformation deserve a critical view?

f**k me ... jeez
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« Reply #101 on: February 26, 2014, 05:23:41 PM »

I agree with you kusop.  Mime, I'd really like to see the proof you have for your claims.  Yes, we're well aware of the obscene prices Betz charges for nail replacements, but this doesn't automatically make him a horrible doctor with 30% nail failure rates.
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Re: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery
« Reply #102 on: February 26, 2014, 05:43:18 PM »

I agree with you kusop.  Mime, I'd really like to see the proof you have for your claims.  Yes, we're well aware of the obscene prices Betz charges for nail replacements, but this doesn't automatically make him a horrible doctor with 30% nail failure rates.

Don't feed the troll. What kind of proof do you have in mind? I am certainly not revealing my identity here just because of some troll. If you don't believe me that's fine with me.
Read my posts carefully and then decide whether it is all made up or not. And as a contrast read the dribble of this insolent troll who cannot control his rage.
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« Reply #103 on: February 26, 2014, 05:56:21 PM »

Don't feed the troll. What kind of proof do you have in mind? I am certainly not revealing my identity here just because of some troll. If you don't believe me that's fine with me.
Read my posts carefully and then decide whether it is all made up or not. And as a contrast read the dribble of this insolent troll who cannot control his rage.

Anything that proves where you received the info and the validity of this source.  Posting baseless claims are as bad as users promoting the services of a doctor when it seems like they've cut a deal.  It seems the opposite in your case, like you've cut a deal with his competition and want to deride Betz' services.

If you want more credibility to your claims, I suggest you post evidence or prove it to Dameon.  Not saying you have to, but your posts would contain a lot more insight that way.
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Re: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery
« Reply #104 on: February 26, 2014, 11:34:32 PM »

sorry I had a bad day at the office.

But this guy needs to be stopped. Just look through his posting history. 90% of the posts contains defamotory information about Dr. Betz. None of it is backed by any evidence.
There is even a patient on the previous page who claims he had a second thought after reading all the negative things written only to find out its all false.

How is this any good? we are now trying to scare away future LLers from certain doctors? whats the logic in this? why is this allowed?
why is it only when someone points out his hateful misinformation that you reply? doesnt his misinformation deserve a critical view?

f**k me ... jeez

You are absolutely right. Its obvious that Mime seems to hate Dr. Betz for whatever reason. But what this guy is doing here is ridiculous. He just try to post negative information about Dr. Betz and he doesnt care if its true or not. 30% of his patients have complications? Sorry Mime but no one can take you serious anymore. This is just pure nonsense.
Like I already said I did a lot of research about the complications before I spent all my money for Dr. Betz. I cant tell you a number but I know it is really rare with the new Betzbone nails.
Mime said you have to ask people who are not in interest of Betz business. What a genius. Of course I did that. I had plenty of time during my stay at the hospital to talk to physio therapists, nurses or other doctors. They only confirmed that it is very rare to have a complication. Betz is highly regarded at the hospital. Apparently the new Betzbone is a big step forward.

Anyway the admin of this forum should stop these guys/posts. Otherwise this forum is going to be so useless again. Every post has to be backed up. And people who just try to scare or discourage other ones should be warned and otherwise banned.
This forum should help future patients making a decision to go with which doctor. It shouldnt confuse or scare them just because of a few people who try to post negative stuff about certain doctors.

To all future patients who are in the same situation I was a few months ago: like I already said, dont just trust some letters people post here. Save up, go for a consultation with Prof. Betz, meet his patients and then go for your dream. Dont let other people stop you from achieving your goals.



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Re: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery
« Reply #105 on: February 27, 2014, 08:23:28 AM »

Mime has been very helpful to me in replies to private questions about LL.    I don't agree Mime is here just to hate Dr Betz, more to warn people about a negative experience.  LL180, is he a real patient?  He should provide proof also.   Working 3 days after surgery sounds impossible. 
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« Reply #106 on: February 27, 2014, 02:05:54 PM »

I am not sure who to believe, this is a lot of money your supposedly spending on one of the best surgeons, but hearing about broken screws and bend nails after you spend years of your life saving for supposedly one of the best surgeons is disheartening.

My choices would be

1. Guichet

2. Rozburch (not sure he will accept me in am 5'7")

3. Paley ( both dr rozbruch and paley uses precice 2 which to me is still in limbo and might need a recall, I just pray it's a bad batch dr lee received.)

4. Dr lee

Honestly if your spending that kind of money you don't want a nail that doesn't extend or is so weak that it will break.

Anyone hear about still young? Last time I heard his nail bent and we didn't hear from him again.

Lastly Apo/sysop and tall you cannot trust them bc these asswipes promote these dr and  receive some benefit out of it...

So I think the gnail is the best bet until they can figure out what is wrong with the precice 2 batches by dr lee...

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« Reply #107 on: February 27, 2014, 02:06:45 PM »

I am doing LL with Dr. Betz right now. As a patient of him I can just say its ridiculous what people post here. I am fed up with those people. They gave me such a hard time before surgery and I even believed all this not backed up nonsense. After the consultation I knew I want to go with Betz. But then again I had too much time to read on the forum and got concerned again because of all this nonsense people post here. So I decided to go Germany again and visit some more patients. All in all I met a lot of Betz patients and they were all doing fine. So I knew I will stop reading on the forum. Thats what the other patients recommended to me and it just makes sense. People come here and post whatever they want, give no back up and everyone believes it.

I had plenty of time during my stay at the hospital to talk to physio therapists, nurses or other doctors. They only confirmed that it is very rare to have a complication.  Anyway the admin of this forum should stop these guys/posts. Otherwise this forum is going to be so useless again. Every post has to be backed up. And people who just try to scare or discourage other ones should be warned and otherwise banned.
This forum should help future patients making a decision to go with which doctor. It shouldnt confuse or scare them just because of a few people who try to post negative stuff about certain doctors.

To all future patients who are in the same situation I was a few months ago: like I already said, dont just trust some letters people post here. Save up, go for a consultation with Prof. Betz, meet his patients and then go for your dream. Dont let other people stop you from achieving your goals.

This is my updated reply.

LLto180 seem to be emphasizing that people are posting nonsense here while putting down this forum.   I have to point out some facts about what is being discussed in this thread. 

1)  The topic reads:  Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery

Started: September 26, 2013  here

So this was the first place that had an open discussion about this issue.  Does Dr Augustin Betz internal nail/screws break and led to more money spent and surgeries? 

2)  If you search Complications with Dr. Betz in Google, you find that somebody read this topic and created another topic at the old forum.   That thread is dated October 31, 2013 and it is mentioned that

" I became very concerned when I noticed all of the following complications from his patients and how much money I would have to spend."

Tall- Bent femur nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement.

Apotheosis- Broke Tibia nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement.

TibandFemur- Broke/bent Femur nail with Dr. Betz. Never disclosed the information himself and we only found out through other people. Stopped his diary.

Andrewshizzles- Titanium nail replacement for his femurs with Dr. Betz. Never disclosed information himself and we only found out through other people.

OldiebutGoldie- Bent nail/screws with Dr. Betz. Thankfully still posting and open about his feelings and complications. "


3)   Mime has sent me Xrays, pictures of being in the hospital bed with bandages & wounds on the legs along with invoice document from Dr Betz.   Base on these reasonable evidence,  I'm inclined to believe that Mime is an actual patient of Dr Betz who went for LL surgery in Germany. 
 
End of the day, this is an open forum where anyone can say anything, just like in the real world.    I will leave people to draw their own conclusions after reading everything and not forgetting the suggestions listed here.   

Reference: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=55.0

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Re: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery
« Reply #108 on: February 27, 2014, 02:08:54 PM »

I agree with you Rickybobby. I've yet to see a single negative result from Dr. Guichet. He seems like a genuinely nice and caring guy too from Leechlet's videos. If I could afford him, he'd definitely be my top choice.
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« Reply #109 on: February 27, 2014, 03:45:38 PM »

I agree with you Rickybobby. I've yet to see a single negative result from Dr. Guichet. He seems like a genuinely nice and caring guy too from Leechlet's videos. If I could afford him, he'd definitely be my top choice.

How much does he cost? For femur lengthening and then subsequent tibiae lengthening?
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Re: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery
« Reply #110 on: February 27, 2014, 05:56:37 PM »

3)   Mime has sent me Xrays, pictures of being in the hospital bed with bandages & wounds on the legs along with invoice document from Dr Betz.   Base on these reasonable evidence,  I'm inclined to believe that Mime is an actual patient of Dr Betz who went for LL surgery in Germany. 

he may well be a former patient. He may also have faked documents. But regardless, it doesnt make him eligable to write the amount of  e and incredible misinformation that has been written in 65% of his posts.

All his tibia patients are messed up? betz worse than nazi doctors? what the heck is this?
I rather view Mime as an unlucky patient of betz who felt he was mistreated. Now he is on a distinguished path with a mission to destroy betz. Thats the scenario I find more likely.

Just unbelievable, have you read the posts I quoted or read his posting history? Nothing justifies what he has been writing.
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« Reply #111 on: February 27, 2014, 11:13:06 PM »

he may well be a former patient. He may also have faked documents. But regardless, it doesnt make him eligable to write the amount of  e and incredible misinformation that has been written in 65% of his posts.

All his tibia patients are messed up? betz worse than nazi doctors? what the heck is this?
I rather view Mime as an unlucky patient of betz who felt he was mistreated. Now he is on a distinguished path with a mission to destroy betz. Thats the scenario I find more likely.

Just unbelievable, have you read the posts I quoted or read his posting history? Nothing justifies what he has been writing.


It is true that I had broken screws and also some broken nails. But why this happened? Did you ever ask what the patient did that he had a bent or broken nail? In most cases it was because of too much activity and too early maximum weight bearing in connection with a related osteoregeneration. In such a case every material becomes tired.
In case that a complication is happening to one of my patients it is always our first intention to help him with the best treatment as possible. And if the complication allows it I always try to give him a treatment where limb lengthening is furthermore possible. In some rare cases our help has been denied and refused nevertheless the patient could have reached the wanted height so he remained very unhappy and discontented.
The majorities of my patients are without any complication and don’t write in any forum because they are studying or working and have no time to spend in a forum. In most cases a patient writes in the forum when he has got problems: with clicking or with bent or broken nail or screw. They hope to get help in the forum from others with the same problem. Instead they should listen to the doctor when they have problems and not to people that have no medical education – including Sysop/Apotheosis. The others have no reason to write – what should they write? We understand that patients should report their experiences and this is ok but in many cases there are written so many wrong and confusing and not helpful things.
Mime should tell you from where he/she has got all the information. Why are his/her statements so full of hate, false and defamatory?
Every patient that is visiting me for a consultation can testify that I never lie to  my patients and patiently answer to all questions – no matter how long it will take and how many the patients want to know. It is an important decision they have to do and for that they need as much information as possible.
Also the comfort clinic is not a hotel. It is a medical clinic – a private clinic, a member of the teaching University hospitals and a department of the city hospital where doctors and nurses are doing their work on a high standard.
If someone wants to have a limb lengthening done he should visit the doctor personally to make his own mind about him. I always recommend visiting also other doctors to decide who the best is for oneself.
I do limb lengthening for more than 30 years and never used a patient “as guinea pig” as Mime is claiming. I’ve never made a secret about our patients. Everybody visiting us can see former or current patients and talk in person to them also when there is one patient with a complication. We always animate interested persons to do that because we want them to be sure about the decision to do a limb lengthening.
Never in my live somebody compared me with a Nazi doctor. This is an accusation and a serious defamation. Before you register you agree to write in a serious kind and  "that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy". What Mime wrote is defamatory, hateful, inaccurate and false.
I have nothing against when he is writing that he had a bad experience with me as his doctor but he should remain serious.
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Re: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery
« Reply #112 on: February 27, 2014, 11:23:24 PM »

Thanks for airing your thoughts.
I'm also very uncomfortable with some of the posts against you, and I have expressed this in some of my posts.

I think Mime is a former patient of yours. For the mods, would it be possible for Mime to disclose his name to the mods privately so Dr Betz can answer to his claims if he had personal issues with Dr Betz?

This of course entirely depends on Mime as Dr Betz is bound by patient confidentiality. But if he would not disclose himself, I think his vitriolic comments would be unfair and should be considered expunged from the forum.

This only in fairness with Dr Betz and Mime.

Any thoughts from other members?
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« Reply #113 on: February 27, 2014, 11:35:33 PM »

Thanks for airing your thoughts.
I'm also very uncomfortable with some of the posts against you, and I have expressed this in some of my posts.

I think Mime is a former patient of yours. For the mods, would it be possible for Mime to disclose his name to the mods privately so Dr Betz can answer to his claims if he had personal issues with Dr Betz?

This of course entirely depends on Mime as Dr Betz is bound by patient confidentiality. But if he would not disclose himself, I think his vitriolic comments would be unfair and should be considered expunged from the forum.

This only in fairness with Dr Betz and Mime.

Any thoughts from other members?

Thank you for your efforts to mediate between Mime and me. I have a clear idea who he is. It was a former patient of me. His behaviour during his treatment was similiar. I tried to talk to him many many times but he refused my help constantly.
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« Reply #114 on: February 27, 2014, 11:53:30 PM »

I, for one, want to say that I really appreciate you taking your time to come on this forum and help to ensure that we have accurate information. Thank you.
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« Reply #115 on: February 28, 2014, 12:16:28 AM »

info@betzinstitute.com just replied back saying he is indeed Dr Augustin Betz posting here.

The only way it's not him or not his representative is if the email is hacked.
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« Reply #116 on: February 28, 2014, 12:30:57 AM »

Don't worry about him Dr Betz. Take your time, as long as you will give us your side. Although the later you respond, these issues keep hanging in this forum.

I got your email reply and I believe it's you.

I will post the email screenshot as soon as I get home.

Hi,
I have no fear to answer you. As you know it is 1.24 am in Germany and I have to treat my patients well tomorrow. The need an alert doctor. I am still working in my office to finish some work because I am leaving Germany tomorrow for one week. So now you have to wait for your answers a bit longer.
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« Reply #117 on: February 28, 2014, 01:45:25 AM »

It's one thing to view something with scrutiny, but it's another to be rude outright. If Dr Betz's own info e-mail address responded and confirmed that it him posting on the forum, then what else is there to demand as proof? Yes it is important that people who have had bad experiences with doctors are able to freely post about it on the forum. At the same time, the doctors themselves should have just as much freedom to respond. In any case, let's all be civil in what we say. Lately things have gotten out of hand with the name calling and rude posts. The number one thing people come here for is free and open medical information. We want this forum to continue to grow. It's counterproductive to drive people away.
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« Reply #118 on: February 28, 2014, 03:35:27 AM »

Just got home.
I'll post a screenshot of his email within an hour.
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« Reply #119 on: February 28, 2014, 03:53:55 AM »

This is his email or his office email (info@betzinstitute.com) to me.

The time 8:08AM is Asian time and 00:47 is German time.

By the way the forum was going at this time I would assume that there's an implied consent from him to me that I can post his email. Anyway, there's nothing confidential in it.


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« Reply #120 on: February 28, 2014, 07:13:48 AM »

It's one thing to view something with scrutiny, but it's another to be rude outright. If Dr Betz's own info e-mail address responded and confirmed that it him posting on the forum, then what else is there to demand as proof? Yes it is important that people who have had bad experiences with doctors are able to freely post about it on the forum. At the same time, the doctors themselves should have just as much freedom to respond. In any case, let's all be civil in what we say. Lately things have gotten out of hand with the name calling and rude posts. The number one thing people come here for is free and open medical information. We want this forum to continue to grow. It's counterproductive to drive people away.

I agree.  It's one thing to ask questions to verify.  It's another to accuse somebody without any logic.   We want discussions to be base on facts, not baseless accusations. That is why I have removed handy's posts, so we can move this discussion on to something more rational and factual.    It shouldn't take us long to verify Augustine/Dr Betz identity, which is the crux of the issue. 

Update: I have received an email from  info@betzinstitute.com  (email address of Betz Institute) to verify that Dr Betz is registered here with the username Augustine.   

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« Reply #121 on: February 28, 2014, 10:34:20 AM »

It's great to see you here, Dr.Betz! Welcome to the forum.
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Re: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery
« Reply #122 on: February 28, 2014, 02:29:55 PM »

I have been in contact with Dr Betz and Mime.

Dr Betz sent me a Pm with the following views.

"You are right that this is an open forum but it isn't at all correct to be named as a liar, the worst doctor ever and also to be compared with a nazi doctor. This also wouldn't be correct in the real world. Mime can talk about his experiences but in a sober way. The way he is talking about my person cannot be accepted by me and is also not allowed according to the agreement in this forum. Maybe you have an influence on him to give statements in a professionnal way."

Upon revision, Mime has request that some previous comments regarding Dr Betz be removed or edited.   Mime sent me a PM with the following request
 
" Would it be possible to remove or revise some of my earlier post which sometimes were written in anger and went over the top? This would also help the discussion in general. 

Those posts are too harsh and insulting. I don't want to insult Dr Betz but only criticize him. E.g. the nazi comparison.  it is certainly not appropriate.  i wrote them in anger and i understand now that they were insulting and not appropriate and not conform to the forum rules. I do apologize for them.   

Hope you understand. The discussion should become more rational."
 
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Re: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery
« Reply #123 on: February 28, 2014, 03:36:47 PM »

Hello Augustine

Was the old albizzia 11 mm nail stronger? Because there is no case of bent 11 mm albizzia on old forum . It looks like the 11 mm betzbone is not strong? Is that true? I heard there is a new betzbone 11 mm with 20 clicks? Is that nail better? Less bending problems?
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