Topic: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery (Read 105172 times)

jerry · « **Reply #124 on:** March 01, 2014, 02:52:16 PM »

thanks medicore and dameon for verifying all that.

Stadiometer · « **Reply #125 on:** March 05, 2014, 09:55:46 PM »

Brief video made by patients who lengthened 5 years ago talking about the weakness of the Betzbone.
Click here: http://www.tubechop.com/watch/1756599

Updated list of confirmed complications with Dr. Betz and the Betzbone.

Tall- Bent femur nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement

Apotheosis- Broke Tibia nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement

TibandFemur- Broke/bent Femur nail with Dr. Betz. Never disclosed the information himself and we only found out through other people. Stopped his diary.

Andrewshizzles- Titanium nail replacement for his femurs with Dr. Betz. Never disclosed information himself and we only found out through other people.

OldiebutGoldie- Bent nail/screws with Dr. Betz.

Stillyoung- Broke femur nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement

Mime- Serious complications with Dr. Betz.

mediocre · « **Reply #126 on:** March 05, 2014, 10:25:26 PM »

I hope Dr Betz would come back and visit this forum again to have his side on these cases.

Quote from: Stadiometer on March 05, 2014, 09:55:46 PM

Brief video made by patients who lengthened 5 years ago talking about the weakness of the Betzbone.
Click here: http://www.tubechop.com/watch/1756599

Updated list of confirmed complications with Dr. Betz and the Betzbone.

Tall- Bent femur nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement

Apotheosis- Broke Tibia nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement

TibandFemur- Broke/bent Femur nail with Dr. Betz. Never disclosed the information himself and we only found out through other people. Stopped his diary.

Andrewshizzles- Titanium nail replacement for his femurs with Dr. Betz. Never disclosed information himself and we only found out through other people.

OldiebutGoldie- Bent nail/screws with Dr. Betz.

Stillyoung- Broke femur nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement

Mime- Serious complications with Dr. Betz.

OldieButGoldie · « **Reply #127 on:** March 06, 2014, 03:16:32 AM »

Quote from: Stadiometer on March 05, 2014, 09:55:46 PM

Brief video made by patients who lengthened 5 years ago talking about the weakness of the Betzbone.
Click here: http://www.tubechop.com/watch/1756599

Updated list of confirmed complications with Dr. Betz and the Betzbone.

Tall- Bent femur nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement

Apotheosis- Broke Tibia nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement

TibandFemur- Broke/bent Femur nail with Dr. Betz. Never disclosed the information himself and we only found out through other people. Stopped his diary.

Andrewshizzles- Titanium nail replacement for his femurs with Dr. Betz. Never disclosed information himself and we only found out through other people.

OldiebutGoldie- Bent nail/screws with Dr. Betz.

Stillyoung- Broke femur nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement

Mime- Serious complications with Dr. Betz.

Wrong.
I am in contact with Stillyoung and I know that he never had a broken nail.
It is true that he had a titanium replacement but he did only did for reasons of precaution.

I think it is terrible that you spread wrong information. How can you do this??
This is a safe way to destroy a doctors reputation. And the doctor does not really have a chance to prevent this because he is too busy with other things...
I think it it is very sad and unfair...

Stadiometer · « **Reply #128 on:** March 06, 2014, 03:47:27 AM »

Quote from Stillyoung:

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However, because of my size and the slight bending of my nails, Dr. Betz kept me on crutches through my 4 month post-clicking x-rays.

I bent one of my nails to the point that it was starting to break.

Alas, I had to fly back to Germany two weeks ago to have titaniums put in.

OldieButGoldie · « **Reply #129 on:** March 06, 2014, 09:44:22 AM »

Hey Stadio,
I apologize.
Stillyoung is doing very good at the moment, maybe that's why I forgot the complication when I came back a little drunk from party last night and wrote my post... Sorry

OBG

Hanna84 · « **Reply #130 on:** March 17, 2014, 05:14:33 PM »

I met Stillyoung in hospital when I had my surgery.
In his case the reason for nail bending was a delayed bone-healing plus walking without crutches too early, as far as I know. That's a possible complication with every internal nail.
What's most important is, that he is fine now.

stillyoung · « **Reply #131 on:** June 01, 2014, 04:09:25 AM »

Just saw this message, 2.5 months later. I'll confirm that my right nail started started to break because I began walking without crutches before there was enough bone formation to support my weight. That prompted me to get titaniums in both femurs.

And yes, I'm doing fine...jogging, dancing, weightlifting

MAN-OF-STEEL · « **Reply #132 on:** June 05, 2014, 06:27:45 AM »

I could be wrong but some youtube vids shows Guichet talk about possibility of screws breaking also. In all in all, one must be careful until consolidation

MAN-OF-STEEL · « **Reply #133 on:** July 16, 2014, 04:37:47 AM »

No further info?

tallerbetter · « **Reply #134 on:** March 12, 2015, 12:30:21 AM »

Quote from: Muse on September 30, 2013, 10:14:20 PM

Interesting, if you combine that with the information in "Creepy: old forum stillyoung's disappearance" thread, it starts to paint a clearer picture about the Betz nail.

I did like Betz, but, after what I've read here...bye bye bro.

heightangel · « **Reply #135 on:** March 12, 2015, 08:56:13 PM »

Tallerbetter, bro! I perfectly understand you. I am scared about Betz. There are some crazy (and crappy) doctors in this forum... I hate how they take advantage of us. They take our money and don't care about us.

ouroboros · « **Reply #136 on:** March 12, 2015, 10:27:45 PM »

Quote from: tallerbetter on March 12, 2015, 12:30:21 AM

I did like Betz, but, after what I've read here...bye bye bro.

I know what you mean. I felt the exact same way.

tallerbetter · « **Reply #137 on:** March 15, 2015, 03:00:08 PM »

Quote from: ouroboros on March 12, 2015, 10:27:45 PM

I know what you mean. I felt the exact same way.

We should fight against unethic doctors from this forum for preventing future patients from being crippled and disabled. Don't trust Saarin, dont't trust Mongeal, don't trust Betz... A lot of promotion and no good care.

Sean Connery · « **Reply #138 on:** March 15, 2015, 08:41:23 PM »

Quote from: tallerbetter on March 15, 2015, 03:00:08 PM

We should fight against unethic doctors from this forum for preventing future patients from being crippled and disabled. Don't trust Saarin, dont't trust Mongeal, don't trust Betz... A lot of promotion and no good care.

As far as I'm aware, Dr. Monegal has not done anything except offer some advice on the forums. There's nothing wrong with that and there's no reason why users have to demonize every doctor that has an internet connection. It's one thing to call out doctors with a history of crippling patients on their crap, it's another to automatically accuse them of being unethical with no basis whatsoever.

Christopherbulder · « **Reply #139 on:** March 16, 2015, 11:03:27 PM »

Quote from: Sean Connery on March 15, 2015, 08:41:23 PM

As far as I'm aware, Dr. Monegal has not done anything except offer some advice on the forums. There's nothing wrong with that and there's no reason why users have to demonize every doctor that has an internet connection. It's one thing to call out doctors with a history of crippling patients on their crap, it's another to automatically accuse them of being unethical with no basis whatsoever.

yes why bad story tu Doctor Monegal is not normal??

ouroboros · « **Reply #140 on:** March 17, 2015, 01:24:27 AM »

Quote from: tallerbetter on March 15, 2015, 03:00:08 PM

We should fight against unethic doctors from this forum for preventing future patients from being crippled and disabled. Don't trust Saarin, dont't trust Mongeal, don't trust Betz... A lot of promotion and no good care.

I'm sure it's not that simple. We can't start to defame doctors without solid evidence. The best we can do is educate ourselves based on multiple unbiased sources and think logically. No one is perfect, but taking responsibility for your involvement in a less favorable situation shows a enormous amount of character and integrity. I know this because my business is successful because I always take care of my clients, even if I end up taking a loss occasionally.

Freewill · « **Reply #141 on:** March 17, 2015, 02:16:05 AM »

Quote from: tallerbetter on March 15, 2015, 03:00:08 PM

We should fight against unethic doctors from this forum for preventing future patients from being crippled and disabled. Don't trust Saarin, dont't trust Mongeal, don't trust Betz... A lot of promotion and no good care.

What Dr Monegal did that you r dragging him in the likes of Sarin or Betz? seriously stop smearing someone name out of nothing...

coppkillr · « **Reply #142 on:** March 17, 2015, 04:52:05 AM »

I wonder if the reason for some more complaining about betz is that He has Lot more patients than eg guichet.

Actually i See no real Problem with betz beside his damn recommendation to do 8cm.

ouroboros · « **Reply #143 on:** March 17, 2015, 05:29:13 AM »

Quote from: coppkillr on March 17, 2015, 04:52:05 AM

I wonder if the reason for some more complaining about betz is that He has Lot more patients than eg guichet.

Actually i See no real Problem with betz beside his damn recommendation to do 8cm.

This is what I see:
-many reports of broken or bent nails
-delayed consolidation due to unstable(wobbly nail)
-consolidation drastically improves once nail is replaced with titanium nail
-delayed consolidation leads to the nail having to carry the weight of the patient for a lot longer than expected
-encouraging longer lengthening increases the chances of complications, longer recovery times, longer physiotherapy

If your doctor wants to encourage you to lengthen more, then he should also share some of the costs of the complications. If this were the case, I'm sure he wouldn't be suggesting people to go beyond 8 cm. I'm sure there are patients that are thankful for doctors that let them do whatever they want and not interfere. What bothers a lot of us here is that some impulsive people are given a false sense of security and encouragement from a doctor, who is supposed to be an authority figure on the subject of LL.

coppkillr · « **Reply #144 on:** March 17, 2015, 07:48:56 AM »

Thx. The question is if betz is still a good choice. Beside Paley and guichet there are no alternatives.

I dont want to go for Paley as i am living in Europe. Guichet seems for me not so good as i saw some strange diaries about him. Most successful stories are with betz as obg, hanna, etc.

Christopherbulder · « **Reply #145 on:** March 17, 2015, 09:55:22 AM »

I'm old (patient) and trainer of patient of doctor Guichet 2003 2004 2005

every probleme is not doctor is patient

1/ patient no training every day
2/patient no strech exercise
3/patient no good food during lingtheneing and after
4/patient abuse of pain killer
5/patient stupid 2 month after use trampoline or jumb (very good for break nail)

ouroboros · « **Reply #146 on:** March 17, 2015, 01:55:03 PM »

Quote from: coppkillr on March 17, 2015, 07:48:56 AM

Thx. The question is if betz is still a good choice. Beside Paley and guichet there are no alternatives.

I dont want to go for Paley as i am living in Europe. Guichet seems for me not so good as i saw some strange diaries about him. Most successful stories are with betz as obg, hanna, etc.

You are right, we only have a handful of doctors to choose from worldwide. I can't vouch for any doctor since I never did LL, all I can do is read people's experiences and go from there. I read those diaries that seem like success stories too; but pay attention to the little things, there are small clues in the words of the patient that paint a different picture. Luckily in the end they come out of LL fine.
What I don't like the idea of people having to make such an important decision based on money and convenience. I used to think that way too, and now I will keep learning as much as I can about LL up until my surgery day. We are all on this side of the fence and helps if we try and look out for each other, even if by doing so we end up driving the price of LL beyond a realistic figure.

Medium Drink Of Water · « **Reply #147 on:** March 17, 2015, 01:59:41 PM »

Quote from: Christopherbulder on March 17, 2015, 09:55:22 AM

I'm old (patient) and trainer of patient of doctor Guichet 2003 2004 2005

every probleme is not doctor is patient

1/ patient no training every day
2/patient no strech exercise
3/patient no good food during lingtheneing and after
4/patient abuse of pain killer
5/patient stupid 2 month after use trampoline or jumb (very good for break nail)

I saw a lot of the same things in China. Even with Guichet's rigorous screening process, some problem patients get through. Now imagine what might happen with doctors like Betz and Xia who'll seemingly take anyone. I doubt that all these claims against Betz are his fault. I'd have gone to him if I could've afforded his fees.

ouroboros · « **Reply #148 on:** March 17, 2015, 02:01:57 PM »

Quote from: musicmaker on March 17, 2015, 08:26:45 AM

These people are always talking crap without reason. Dr. Monegal is the best.

It in our nature to get upset and overreact, find someone responsible etc. It's unfortunate that some innocent people get caught up in the middle of it.

greatheight · « **Reply #149 on:** March 18, 2015, 06:09:20 PM »

Quote from: tallerbetter on March 15, 2015, 03:00:08 PM

We should fight against unethic doctors from this forum for preventing future patients from being crippled and disabled. Don't trust Saarin, dont't trust Mongeal, don't trust Betz... A lot of promotion and no good care.

I agree bro.These doctors ain't no good. Many people agree

heightangel · « **Reply #150 on:** May 05, 2015, 04:43:42 PM »

Betz has had many succesful cases, but also many crappy cases. I dont know what to think about him. He's too expensive anyway...If something nasty happens, even more expensive! Trash!

Metanoia · « **Reply #151 on:** May 05, 2015, 07:33:33 PM »

Quote from: heightangel on May 05, 2015, 04:43:42 PM

Betz has had many succesful cases, but also many crappy cases. I dont know what to think about him. He's too expensive anyway...If something nasty happens, even more expensive! Trash!

It's not just about his complication rate, which is quite high, but his criminal behaviour. Can really anyone consider to go to a doctor who is lying to his patients, exposes them to unnecessary risks and totally abandons them in case of serious complications? He is a reverse orthopedic surgeon: he takes healthy people and cripples them. And even his successful cases, do you know how much they recovered or whether they could be in better shape if they went with another doctor?
If you don't believe me, go and ask other doctors who know Betz.

spaller2015 · « **Reply #152 on:** August 03, 2015, 11:44:34 AM »

so scary man

Limblengtheningwarrior · « **Reply #153 on:** May 29, 2021, 10:12:02 AM »

How about his current version of Betzbone now? Can he be more trusted?

lift17 · « **Reply #154 on:** September 25, 2022, 02:01:01 AM »

its dr betz safer actually?

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