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thanks medicore and dameon for verifying all that.
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Brief video made by patients who lengthened 5 years ago talking about the weakness of the Betzbone.
Click here: http://www.tubechop.com/watch/1756599

Updated list of confirmed complications with Dr. Betz and the Betzbone.
 
Tall- Bent femur nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement 

Apotheosis- Broke Tibia nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement

TibandFemur- Broke/bent Femur nail with Dr. Betz. Never disclosed the information himself and we only found out through other people. Stopped his diary.

Andrewshizzles- Titanium nail replacement for his femurs with Dr. Betz. Never disclosed information himself and we only found out through other people.

OldiebutGoldie- Bent nail/screws with Dr. Betz.

Stillyoung- Broke femur nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement

Mime- Serious complications with Dr. Betz.
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I hope Dr Betz would come back and visit this forum again to have his side on these cases.

Brief video made by patients who lengthened 5 years ago talking about the weakness of the Betzbone.
Click here: http://www.tubechop.com/watch/1756599

Updated list of confirmed complications with Dr. Betz and the Betzbone.
 
Tall- Bent femur nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement 

Apotheosis- Broke Tibia nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement

TibandFemur- Broke/bent Femur nail with Dr. Betz. Never disclosed the information himself and we only found out through other people. Stopped his diary.

Andrewshizzles- Titanium nail replacement for his femurs with Dr. Betz. Never disclosed information himself and we only found out through other people.

OldiebutGoldie- Bent nail/screws with Dr. Betz.

Stillyoung- Broke femur nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement

Mime- Serious complications with Dr. Betz.
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Brief video made by patients who lengthened 5 years ago talking about the weakness of the Betzbone.
Click here: http://www.tubechop.com/watch/1756599

Updated list of confirmed complications with Dr. Betz and the Betzbone.
 
Tall- Bent femur nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement 

Apotheosis- Broke Tibia nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement



TibandFemur- Broke/bent Femur nail with Dr. Betz. Never disclosed the information himself and we only found out through other people. Stopped his diary.

Andrewshizzles- Titanium nail replacement for his femurs with Dr. Betz. Never disclosed information himself and we only found out through other people.

OldiebutGoldie- Bent nail/screws with Dr. Betz.

Stillyoung- Broke femur nail with Dr. Betz. Titanium nail replacement

Mime- Serious complications with Dr. Betz.

Wrong.
I am in contact with Stillyoung and I know that he never had a broken nail.
It is true that he had a titanium replacement but he did only did for reasons of precaution.

I think it is terrible that you spread wrong information. How can you do this??
This is a safe way to destroy a doctors reputation. And the doctor does not really have a chance to prevent this because he is too busy with other things...
I think it it is very sad and unfair...
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Quote from Stillyoung:

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However, because of my size and the slight bending of my nails, Dr. Betz kept me on crutches through my 4 month post-clicking x-rays.

I bent one of my nails to the point that it was starting to break.

Alas, I had to fly back to Germany two weeks ago to have titaniums put in.

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OldieButGoldie

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Hey Stadio,
I apologize.
Stillyoung is doing very good at the moment, maybe that's why I forgot the complication when I came back a little drunk from party last night and wrote my post... Sorry :-[
OBG
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I met Stillyoung in hospital when I had my surgery.
In his case the reason for nail bending was a delayed bone-healing plus walking without crutches too early, as far as I know. That's a possible complication with every internal nail.
What's most important is, that he is fine now.
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Just saw this message, 2.5 months later. I'll confirm that my right nail started started to break because I began walking without crutches before there was enough bone formation to support my weight. That prompted me to get titaniums in both femurs.

And yes, I'm doing fine...jogging, dancing, weightlifting :D
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I could be wrong but some youtube vids shows Guichet talk about possibility of screws breaking also. In all in all, one must be careful until consolidation
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No further info?
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Interesting, if you combine that with the information in "Creepy: old forum  stillyoung's disappearance" thread, it starts to paint a clearer picture about the Betz nail.   

I did like Betz, but, after what I've read here...bye bye bro.
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Tallerbetter, bro! I perfectly understand you. I am scared about Betz. There are some crazy (and crappy) doctors in this forum... I hate how they take advantage of us. They take our money and don't care about us.
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I did like Betz, but, after what I've read here...bye bye bro.

I know what you mean.  I felt the exact same way. 
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I know what you mean.  I felt the exact same way.

We should fight against unethic doctors from this forum for preventing future patients from being crippled and disabled. Don't trust Saarin, dont't trust Mongeal, don't trust Betz... A lot of promotion and no good care.
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We should fight against unethic doctors from this forum for preventing future patients from being crippled and disabled. Don't trust Saarin, dont't trust Mongeal, don't trust Betz... A lot of promotion and no good care.

As far as I'm aware, Dr. Monegal has not done anything except offer some advice on the forums. There's nothing wrong with that and there's no reason why users have to demonize every doctor that has an internet connection. It's one thing to call out doctors with a history of crippling patients on their crap, it's another to automatically accuse them of being unethical with no basis whatsoever.
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As far as I'm aware, Dr. Monegal has not done anything except offer some advice on the forums. There's nothing wrong with that and there's no reason why users have to demonize every doctor that has an internet connection. It's one thing to call out doctors with a history of crippling patients on their crap, it's another to automatically accuse them of being unethical with no basis whatsoever.

yes why bad story tu Doctor Monegal is not normal??
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We should fight against unethic doctors from this forum for preventing future patients from being crippled and disabled. Don't trust Saarin, dont't trust Mongeal, don't trust Betz... A lot of promotion and no good care.

I'm sure it's not that simple.  We can't start to defame doctors without solid evidence.  The best we can do is educate ourselves based on multiple unbiased sources and think logically.  No one is perfect, but taking responsibility for your involvement in a less favorable situation shows a enormous amount of character and integrity.  I know this because my business is successful because I always take care of my clients, even if I end up taking a loss occasionally.
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We should fight against unethic doctors from this forum for preventing future patients from being crippled and disabled. Don't trust Saarin, dont't trust Mongeal, don't trust Betz... A lot of promotion and no good care.

What Dr Monegal did that you r dragging him in the likes of Sarin or Betz? seriously stop smearing someone name out of nothing...
« Last Edit: March 17, 2015, 02:40:11 AM by Freewill »
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I wonder if the reason for some more complaining about betz is that He has Lot more patients than eg guichet.

Actually i See no real Problem with betz beside his damn recommendation to do 8cm.
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I wonder if the reason for some more complaining about betz is that He has Lot more patients than eg guichet.

Actually i See no real Problem with betz beside his damn recommendation to do 8cm.

This is what I see: 
-many reports of broken or bent nails
-delayed consolidation due to unstable(wobbly nail)
-consolidation drastically improves once nail is replaced with titanium nail
-delayed consolidation leads to the nail having to carry the weight of the patient for a lot longer than expected
-encouraging longer lengthening increases the chances of complications, longer recovery times, longer physiotherapy

If your doctor wants to encourage you to lengthen more, then he should also share some of the costs of the complications.  If this were the case, I'm sure he wouldn't be suggesting people to go beyond 8 cm.  I'm sure there are patients that are thankful for doctors that let them do whatever they want and not interfere.  What bothers a lot of us here is that some impulsive people are given a false sense of security and encouragement from a doctor, who is supposed to be an authority figure on the subject of LL.
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Thx. The question is if betz is still a good choice. Beside Paley and guichet there are no alternatives.

I dont want to go for Paley as i am living in Europe. Guichet seems for me not so good as i saw some strange diaries about him. Most successful stories are with betz as obg, hanna, etc.
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I'm  old (patient) and trainer of patient of doctor Guichet 2003 2004 2005

every probleme is not doctor  is patient

1/  patient no training every day
2/patient no strech exercise
3/patient no good food during lingtheneing and after
4/patient abuse of pain killer
5/patient stupid 2 month after use trampoline or  jumb (very good for break  nail)
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Thx. The question is if betz is still a good choice. Beside Paley and guichet there are no alternatives.

I dont want to go for Paley as i am living in Europe. Guichet seems for me not so good as i saw some strange diaries about him. Most successful stories are with betz as obg, hanna, etc.

You are right, we only have a handful of doctors to choose from worldwide.  I can't vouch for any doctor since I never did LL, all I can do is read people's experiences and go from there.  I read those diaries that seem like success stories too; but pay attention to the little things, there are small clues in the words of the patient that paint a different picture.  Luckily in the end they come out of LL fine. 
What I don't like the idea of people having to make such an important decision based on money and convenience.  I used to think that way too, and now I will keep learning as much as I can about LL up until my surgery day.  We are all on this side of the fence and helps if we try and look out for each other, even if by doing so we end up driving the price of LL beyond a realistic figure.
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I'm  old (patient) and trainer of patient of doctor Guichet 2003 2004 2005

every probleme is not doctor  is patient

1/  patient no training every day
2/patient no strech exercise
3/patient no good food during lingtheneing and after
4/patient abuse of pain killer
5/patient stupid 2 month after use trampoline or  jumb (very good for break  nail)


I saw a lot of the same things in China.  Even with Guichet's rigorous screening process, some problem patients get through.  Now imagine what might happen with doctors like Betz and Xia who'll seemingly take anyone.  I doubt that all these claims against Betz are his fault.  I'd have gone to him if I could've afforded his fees.
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These people are always talking crap without reason. Dr. Monegal is the best.

It in our nature to get upset and overreact, find someone responsible etc.  It's unfortunate that some innocent people get caught up in the middle of it.
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We should fight against unethic doctors from this forum for preventing future patients from being crippled and disabled. Don't trust Saarin, dont't trust Mongeal, don't trust Betz... A lot of promotion and no good care.

I agree bro.These doctors ain't no good. Many people agree
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Betz has had many succesful cases, but also many crappy cases. I dont know what to think about him. He's too expensive anyway...If something nasty happens, even more expensive! Trash!
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Betz has had many succesful cases, but also many crappy cases. I dont know what to think about him. He's too expensive anyway...If something nasty happens, even more expensive! Trash!
It's not just about his complication rate, which is quite high, but his criminal behaviour. Can really anyone consider to go to a doctor who is lying to his patients, exposes them to unnecessary risks and totally abandons them in case of serious complications? He is a reverse orthopedic surgeon: he takes healthy people and cripples them. And even his successful cases, do you know how much they recovered or whether they could be in better shape if they went with another doctor?
If you don't believe me, go and ask other doctors who know Betz.

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so scary man
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How about his current version of Betzbone now? Can he be more trusted?
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Re: Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery
« Reply #154 on: September 25, 2022, 02:01:01 AM »

its dr betz safer actually? :(
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