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LATN. I highly recommend going to Barinov in Volgograd for price-quality (less than 13500 if you get apartment after hospital stay) ratio.  Would you go?

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Re: Involgograd:s diary. External ilizarov in russia, volgograd - Dr Barinov
« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2015, 07:02:30 PM »
can't you use sleeping pills to force you to sleep.
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Re: Involgograd:s diary. External ilizarov in russia, volgograd - Dr Barinov
« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2015, 01:20:19 AM »
Hello Involgograd, thank you for starting this diary.

Did you reach a 10 cm gain and when did you do your surgery?
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pictures, streets around clinic
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2015, 02:43:08 PM »
volgograd
streets around clinic






























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« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2015, 02:46:35 PM »
day16
1.00 wakeup. suspicion that the knee pain might be medial ligament inflammation.  annoyed. uncomfortable.
2.00 i can flex my calves now. ankles still spazzy, tighty, weird soreish
8 turn
11 turn
15 turn
16 tried to sleep. no luck.
16.30 1 ibu 400g. countdown begins.
17 stretch
17.30 barely any knee joint pain
18 stretch
18.30 stretch
19 stretch. turn
19.30 ibu
......
24 no sleep
24.30  ibu
ibu

day17
same old same old routine
tried turning more today
2.30 weird pain. unturned. felt less painful after that. ew. big mistake to turn excessively...

yessss sleep
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« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2015, 02:46:54 PM »
day18
all ok
same old
walk every even hour stretch after that until other walk

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« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2015, 02:49:17 PM »
day19
6.00 wake up. dehydrated. annoyed. . legs feel exhausted.
7.30 nurse kirill comes in check temp my is 36 deg
galina comes for plates
12 x-ray. one tibia little misaligned
2.30 walk
bathroom (nr 2)
you use a urine jug for urination in the room which gets cleaned once a day
4.00 sleep.... two and half hours

same old
i turn even though i don´t mention it
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« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2015, 02:49:40 PM »
day20
6.30 wakeup. computer usage. physio.feel sickenedly tired.
7.30 left knee tighter than right.
11 bandage
21 sleep med injection.
sleep
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« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2015, 02:50:20 PM »
day21
13th day lengthening
1.30 wake up. feeling drowsy. right knee ligament feels better. almost no soreness at all.
20 doc takes med orders..
21 still waiting...no meds tonight...hmm. confused and annoyed

same
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« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2015, 02:50:54 PM »
day22
14th day of lengthening
normal level tiredness.
inner left ligament tight and sore

6.30 wakeup
7.30 physio etc all day
18 right knee ligament less sore


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Re: Involgograd:s diary. External ilizarov in russia, volgograd - Dr Barinov
« Reply #40 on: May 26, 2015, 04:23:46 PM »
Hi,

Thanks for the updates! How long did the visa take? Where are you from bro?

Are you sharing with other people?

thanks,

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« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2015, 11:41:30 AM »
day23
15th day of lengthening
legs are less swollen. dont feel swollen stiff.

6.00 woke up. slept badly.



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« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2015, 11:42:53 AM »
day24
16th day of lengthening
problem update: left knee very tight on right side. prevents extension fully. not turning left leg today.
questions: is  left leg longer? later realized by x-ray it is not.
nurses did not give any injections yesterday...
probably nobody told me that regular injections only come for 1-2weeks.
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« Reply #43 on: May 27, 2015, 11:44:09 AM »
day25
17th day of lengthening!
left knee tightness little better
left knee tightness even little better with stretching
1.30 wakeup
sleep
4.30 wakeup
sleep
8.30 wakeup
9 stretching
9.30stretching
10stretching
10.30 stretching
11stretching
11.30stretching
12stretching
12.30stretching
13stretching
13.30stretching
14stretching
18.30 able to extend left knee 99% straightness. still stiff and sore though
19.30 1st attempt sleep
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« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2015, 11:44:53 AM »
day26
left knee still tight
walking is totally ok.
only problem is to slowly stand up and wait until left knee normalizes from tightness


no sleep
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« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2015, 11:45:37 AM »
day27
left knee tight like yesterday
19th day of turning
16.00 did 1000 steps. 40 minutes
19.00 did 1000 steps 30 min
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« Reply #46 on: May 27, 2015, 11:47:03 AM »
day28
slept 3,5 hours...
more training today

i´m walking even though i dont mention it.
the more the better.
docs want 8 hours.
realistically more like couple of hours.
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« Reply #47 on: May 27, 2015, 11:47:54 AM »
day29
slept from 2.30 ish to 5.30. well better than nothing.
i can feel the broken tibia in both legs
left knee arthritisy like yesterday. maybe little better.

21 nurse gives sleepmed/ supracin...or something
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« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2015, 11:48:16 AM »
day30
same old
knee less tight now
legs have become less swollen the latest 5 days.
able to extend legs straight

got moved to clinic.
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« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2015, 11:50:46 AM »
day31
slept through the whole night! woke up once 1.30 though.
tibia fracture hurts in left leg. not in right
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« Reply #50 on: May 27, 2015, 11:51:19 AM »
day32
tibia fracture hurts in left leg. not in right. pain at 10 -15%
slept until 7ish. restlessly. pain at times.
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« Reply #51 on: May 27, 2015, 12:04:32 PM »
day32
same old

day33
same
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« Reply #52 on: May 27, 2015, 12:07:40 PM »
day34
doctor replaced the short rods for the third time.....
..give me the planned lenghts the first time..because...
warning=
they also overtightened and lengthened so that it hurt to walk afterwards.
had to unturn multiple turns on all screws on the right leg afterwards.
that happened after i told them repeatedly beforehand to not overturn.
i could feel my bones moving as they were doing it.

other:
left tibia pulsates and hurts at 10%
right inner upper pin hurts like skin stretched too far. ...at 15%
left leg can extend to 99% feels tight
right leg can extend 100% feels tightish

day35
same
pin-skin pain

day36
same
pin pain

day 37
same
pin pain

day38
same

day39
same

realized that knee does not become straight although it locks and feels the same at max extension compared to pre surgery. who looks at how straight their legs are normally? were they ever straight?...yes they were
docs diagnose it knee contracture.
inner ligament soreness now in right knee.

day40
swollen legs i see as problem now. happened also yesterday. pain type pressure, warmth, discomfort, prickling. calves get really tight and hard. filled with fluid.
overall i feel exhausted. discomfort and tiredness.weird. like a minimal cramp but not really cramp.
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« Reply #53 on: May 27, 2015, 12:11:22 PM »
day41
same old no problems

day42
new bandages
saw wounds
outer right pin stretched wound 1cm ish purple area.
same with outer left pin.
no other areas stretched.

day43
tight
same old
idea=double socks on feet for swelling. hmm lets see about that.
realization uncomfortable with the socks on.
swelling edema is normal for 4,2months according to studies. average. can be longer.

day44
no turning today
because
no sleep for two nights
testing testing...no turning=sleep?

day45
test failed. no sleep. couple of nights in a row

problem:swollen legs, disturbs the degrees of movement. elevation produces weird pain... although, just need to get the swelling down once to show doc that my bendability is ok....
legs feel like always, which is good.

bad mood....
13 got myself some coffee.
14.30 tired
17 coffee made head feel normal. body still major , exhaustion.
17.30walk.
18 walking messed with my already exhausted exhaustion. coffee doesnt help.
deep breathing for 5 minutes afterwards helped
18.30
left leg . something aches/skinish, tibiaish, no, the calfmuscle aches. super stiff
wow. keeping normal head position exhausts me.
horizontal, no problem. well, a tinge of exhaustion.
19 toilet, third or fourth time today, like. what the .... coffeine related..
19.30
realized i overturned on left leg. unturned .25 mm. overturning led to calfmuscle pain which kinda feels like everyhting, bone, skin muscle, everything hurts. unturning removed pain immediately. ah, amazing.
22.30
changed sleeping position. have a good feeling about this. ouch. left calfmuscle starts aching again...when bending knee.
sit up.
pain is gone.
lets see if it comes back after stretching.
sleep
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« Reply #54 on: May 27, 2015, 12:15:28 PM »
day46
slept . for..once.
forgot to mention a couple of nights insomnia previously
same

day47
sleeping is ok
annoyed
got to figure the sleep thing out myself.
tried different positions constantly

48
fractures sites sensatory from walking.
annoyed

49
9 bandage change

11.00 x ray
waited for 2 hours forthem to develop the photos.
bone is regenerating
left inner pin-skin  weird making the whole area sore... only 10 of 100 but biting   annoying pain.
ankle pins are sensatory. werent two days ago...
reason...too much walking?
or just the consistent surprise every week? new weird pain jumping from one place to another?

 later realized yes. just the weekly surprise. goes away after a week though. all of them. probably like more than 10 surprises during the whole process.
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« Reply #55 on: May 27, 2015, 12:17:44 PM »
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surprise new discomfort of the week
right ankle pins are making the skin around them sore...
why? because of stretching whole leg when tilting forward repeatedly...stretches the skin around pins

slept well
woke up drained of energy

lower calves have been sore for weeks.

right calf seems ok now.
legs still swell up hard

15.00 walking accumulation at 3 hours. left stabilizing pin area bites like crazy but only for 3 seconds, put pulsates/cycles every 5-7 seconds. ....

same
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« Reply #56 on: May 27, 2015, 12:18:39 PM »
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same old

right leg stabilizor pin, the lowest one, biting today....
walked 8 hours
 washing machine really noisy

52
woke up 5.20
thirsty
right leg tight. from knee all the way down to ankle. feels like a tingle, tickle, tight, uncomfortable stiff something.

53
right tendonds tight.no problem though
same old

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« Reply #57 on: May 28, 2015, 09:44:32 AM »
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right tendonds tight.no problem
same old

55
same old

56
same

57
same old
right ankle sore.
realized that my tibias are deviating outwards maybe 2cm

58
skin under right ankle sore and swollen.
because of agitation?swelling?what? realized later it was skin tear 1cm. bitin painful 25% in certain positions.
same old
boring

59
right ankle sore
swollen ankles cant move them

60
swollen ankles cant rotate them. can flip up down though.
right anklepin still sore
right fibulafracture feels weird
mornings feel really crapty like often. irregular sleeping pattern.
better at lunch

61
same problems as yesterday

62
sameold same small probs

63
swollen ankles still cant move them
right anklepin not sore
right fibulafracture feels weird
mornings feel less crapty
tired bored as hell

64
same

65
same

66
same

67
same

68
right leg feels less tight
4 days of stretching made no difference to knee extendability
tried rolling bottle under with my feet
ah
amazing
greatest feeling ever.
sigh...doesnt improve tightness or anything though

69
...

70
no more upper pin-skin pain.was a regular thing, guess skin stretched enough.
right ankle pin hurting a lot. 10- 30% in some positions.
 pin cutting skin. at least no infection.
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it costs 2000euros extra for nail insertion surgery
« Reply #58 on: May 28, 2015, 07:39:58 PM »
forgot to mention.
it costs 2000euros extra for nail insertion surgery. so total 14500euros
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Re: it costs 2000euros extra for nail insertion surgery
« Reply #59 on: May 28, 2015, 09:25:30 PM »
Quote from: involgograd on May 28, 2015, 07:39:58 PM
forgot to mention.
it costs 2000euros extra for nail insertion surgery. so total 14500euros

Is it worth it?
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« Reply #60 on: May 29, 2015, 04:26:07 PM »
71

72

73
same...

74
able to extend legs straight basically 178-180 degrees now.
just through standing up slowly and straightening the legs slowly for 5-30 minute sessions for 1-2hours daily

75...
76...
77...same
78...
foot edema stabilizing.
usually shifts between really swollen and what it is now.
still swollen though.
forgot to mention that everything under the knees swells up. the feet the worst.

beginning to correct 2-3cm?ish valgus deviation outwards of tibias. only turning the outer screws 4 times daily

79...

80
stretching too much or bending too quickly afterwards has made upper tibia segment in right leg sore in certain movements.
lasts one day.



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Re: Involgograd:s diary. External ilizarov in russia, volgograd - Dr Barinov
« Reply #61 on: May 29, 2015, 06:10:56 PM »
Just want to let you know I really appreciate your diary so much. I am very likely going to Dr. Barinov in the summer of 2016 and this diary is invaluable. Thanks so much for taking the time :)

Can I ask what rate did you lengthen?
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