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[KiloKAHN]

Here's a picture of a former CLL patient who lengthened his tibias 6 cm. He wishes to remain anonymous. What do you think of his proportions?

[KrP1]

Hi is fine right now. But if he do more lengthening he would look disproportionate. His legs are long right now. And his tibia / femur ratio is around the same length

[Alittletooshort]

Not really noticable, he seems to have long arms though.
Wheight training is also a good way to avoid a disproportional look, he's a good example for this I think.

[theuprising]

Tibia patients are generally harder to spot disproportion than femur patients. As another poster mentioned he has long arms so it masks any lengthening well. He could pull off maybe 4-5 cm femur max if he were to lengthen more.

[Alittletooshort]

I have to add that he shouldn't wear the socks in this picture, they let his tibs appear a little shorter than they acutally are.

[Sweden]

You could instantly see that he did his tibias. The hypertrophy on his calfs is there. The lack of quad muscles on his thighs making him look like he has knock knees/X-legs. It's just not natural with knees that high up on a person.

It doesn't matter bc nobody would care anyway.
But these proportions doesn't occur naturally.

[Uppland]

You could instantly see that he did his tibias. The hypertrophy on his calfs is there. The lack of quad muscles on his thighs making him look like he has knock knees/X-legs. It's just not natural with knees that high up on a person.

It doesn't matter bc nobody would care anyway.
But these proportions doesn't occur naturally.

No, most people aren't even aware that this surgery exists. Maybe they'll spot that something is slightly "off" but I doubt it.

[Overdozer]

Doesn't anyone notice that he's wearing pants on his hips instead of waist? That's a perception trick used by Master Illusionist Apo. It does two things: 1) makes your legs visually appear shorter (specifically your femurs (one of the reasons you want to lengthen your femurs if you're going just for one surgery) 2) makes your torso appear longer. In the end, the difference can be quite noticable. Say, wearing your pants 5 cm below waist (approx) makes your femurs appear 5 cm shorter and your torso 5 cm longer. That's a 10 cm difference, which results in a big, albeit only visual, SH/H ratio change. Try sitting next time, if you want to get a real judge of your proportions.

[Uppland]

I always wear my pants at the hips actually, that's goint to be a must if I lengthen my femurs anyway.

[hadrian]

He has a super tall silhouette. But he'd look fine with some pants on, like that naturally long-legged guy posted here.

[microman]

do we know his exact height measurements of the tibia and femur, to see if he is in the normal ratio.

to me it looks like his tibia is the same length as his femur, but I'm not sure what real issues that could have on a person.

[Alittletooshort]

Basically no one is in the normal ratio after LL, it's all about having a weird ratio but being able to hide it.
The only option is lengthening both segments but then your  legs to torso ratio is not in the normal ratio anymore.

[microman]

well no because its all about wingspan in that case, apotheosis looked normal after 2xLL because he had long arms.

but people with long tibias, then only do LL on tibia, will look odd in that case.

But more importantly won't it feel unnatural to walk with longer than normal tibias?

[Alittletooshort]

I am 99% sure that he won't look normal anymore when you see him in real life. Please don't forget that he always worked with cheap tricks to make LL seem easier and better than it actually is.
I honestly think that he looks far from normal, he just looks better than others if they did this crazy amount.

[microman]

are you speaking of apotheosis, no he actually looked pretty normal, he showed his wingspan and all, there ware pictures, I don't think they were edited in any real way.

jungle on old forum  looked good on his pics going from 5 2 to 5 7.

[KiloKAHN]

Apotheosis looks more normal because he did internal humerus lengthening with Dr Betz.

[microman]

wow he did arm lengthening!

I don't think that was mentioned before.

[Alittletooshort]

Did you see his running videos? They look far from normal, his legs are just too long for his body to handle it properly when he moves fast.

[Uppland]

Apotheosis looks more normal because he did internal humerus lengthening with Dr Betz.

I'm really interested in learning more about his experience, do you think he would come here and answer our questions if we aksed?

[Taller]

I'm really interested in learning more about his experience, do you think he would come here and answer our questions if we aksed?

I think that would be beneficial for many prospective lengtheners, and I think he might be up for it. However, he has tried to come on this site to answer questions before and our moderation banned him nearly immediately. Apotheosis has displayed questionable honestly in the past so I understand that there is a proverbial can of worms involved with allowing him on the site. The user "Bubba" is actually Apotheosis, though, but he only posted three times to insult the user "4Cms". I don't know if "Bubba" is currently banned or not.

[maximize]

Wow I didn't know Apo did arm lengthening either. No wonder he doesn't look too bad. The steroids help him too. That's quite a commitment he's made. Tibs/femurs & humerus. Honestly I would love to meet this guy IRL and have a beer with him. Online though, he's not a very useful presence and I'm glad he doesn't post here. Old forum  has too much of a hostile dck measuring contest or locker room atmosphere and it's mostly due to his influence. Feels a bit like a shrine he's built just for himself and his "circle". I respect the dedication to LL though.

As for the OP pic, I think he would have been better off doing femurs. The tibias look a little long. But no, I don't think anyone would really know what to make of it if they saw him. I doubt they'd recognize it because people don't generally know this surgery exists. He must have had long tibias to begin with, since 6 cm is not too much.

Overall, we'd have to ask him to know, but the questions would be: Are you happier being taller with abnormally long shins, or would you rather be short again? I'm guessing he'd say he prefers being taller. Most people who do this seem to.

[Ikarus]

Have you ever heard about the rule that your sitting height should be about 51% of your overall height to have ideal proportions. ?

[Polycrates.]

This is me after 6cm, at a height of 183cm with a 183/184cm wingspan. As you can tell, the tibia are just as long as femurs. When I walk down a street with windowed reflective walls it is unnerving to see the knee so high. Obviously, lengthening between the two segments, with the tibia LL at 3-4cm, and femurs 5-6cm, would be ideal and able to be concealed well. I will say that being taller does outweigh the disproportion, but having the length in proportion by two surgeries would have been more ideal, and an absolute ideal of course would have been being 184cm naturally...

[Alittletooshort]

Is there a negative sie effect of the lengthening besides the slight disproportion?
In terms of sports or in general physical activities?

[Polycrates.]

Yes. The scars from external inhibit you from wearing shorts in the summer without embarrassment. I need to find a viable manner of getting rid of them that isn't thousands of dollars. Athleticism will simply never be the same. I can do pretty much everything now, but it just feels clumsy compared to before. I can run, but I don't know how it looks to others, and try to avoid it when possible. It's hard to say if I regret it fully. There are days when I do and days when I don't, depending on the circumstances of the day.

[YellowSpike]

Hey Polycrates, when did you have your tibia LL? I'm not too familiar with your story.

I feel like proportions really are just what the individual person wants for their own aesthetics. I always thought I had short tibias, but Dr. G measured me in Milano, and said my femurs were short and that I was a great candidate for internal femur LL. I did 7cm, and my femurs only look a tad long when I pull my pants up in front of the mirror (but they are also still fairly thin compared to how they used to be, with more muscle, they'll look great). I might do another inch next year and I still think I'll look ok. Some have warned against it, but most seem to think I will still be mostly proportionate after another femur inch.

Has anyone ever commented on your proportions, or this this just your personal dissatisfaction? I agree, in a perfect world, we'd all do two LLs to keep the proportions...but LL is such an expensive and arduous process that I think most of us are ok with slightly messed up proportions for the height gain (and to be done after one LL).

I would do another inch in tibias, but even for an inch, it's like a ridiculously long recovery time. So, I'd rather deal with slightly long femurs (they look fine now) and be 5'9" and be done with this sh*t once and for all (while also avoiding more overtly visible scars). 

[Polycrates.]

No one has commented outright, but there have been numerous occasions where people will stare down and then up at me as I enter a room. This might just be normal human nature, but it's not something I ever noticed before. I remember entering a police station and asking a woman police officer for directions to where I needed to go to fill out a form. As I left, I swore I heard her mention to the other, "don't his legs look really long?" At one place I was working at briefly, it seemed that everyone was watching my legs at one point, so I think rumour spread that something was off about me and people wanted to check it out.

I have 97-99th percentile knee height, so I do think the human subconscious can detect something astray, especially when you have to demonstrate bending and kneeling in front of others. I hate sitting with 6'2+ guys because their femurs and torsos dwarf mine, but my knees are quite a bit higher than theirs always.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

No one has commented outright, but there have been numerous occasions where people will stare down and then up at me as I enter a room. This might just be normal human nature, but it's not something I ever noticed before. I remember entering a police station and asking a woman police officer for directions to where I needed to go to fill out a form. As I left, I swore I heard her mention to the other, "don't his legs look really long?" At one place I was working at briefly, it seemed that everyone was watching my legs at one point, so I think rumour spread that something was off about me and people wanted to check it out.

I have 97-99th percentile knee height, so I do think the human subconscious can detect something astray, especially when you have to demonstrate bending and kneeling in front of others. I hate sitting with 6'2+ guys because there femurs and torsos dwarf mine, but my knees are quite a bit higher than there's always.

What are your femur/tibia and height/wingspan ratios?  I've never had people stare at me or make any weird comments about my proportions.  My tibia and femurs are equal, and my height and wingspan are equal.

[YellowSpike]

My wingspan is equal to my current height (173). When I sit next to taller guys on the train, my femurs don't seem crazily out of proportion or anything at all. I'm fairly confident my femurs would handle another inch, but want to see what my legs look like with some more bulk first (particularly my quads and ass need work).

I think only people who know about LL like we do are the only ones that would really notice. Polycrates, at your work place, maybe word might have gotten out, so that's why people were looking. I'm sure you don't look that much out of proportion where people would notice/comment on a day-to-day basis.

[Polycrates.]

[YellowSpike]

Honestly I think you look fine, although clothes can somewhat hide disproportions. But like you said, the height is worth it.