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[Uppland]

I think he looks bad honestly, much too bad for me to even consider that amount.

[theuprising]

It is really hard to tell whether tibia or femur looks better when you are wearing baggy pants and you can't see the knee position clearly. That guys last pic is terrible and in shorts he would have knees way too low. Having LL is about getting away from wearing lifts, if you have to wear them to balance out your proportions then your proportions are off, simple.

[heightangel]

he doesn't look nice at all in the last photo

I agree

[Morgenst.]

Last pic proves that 10cm maybe even up to 12cm wouldn't look terrible if you build your upper body. However it also proves that the length needs to be split evenly between the Tibias and femurs. His femurs look ridiculously huge compared to his Tibias even in jeans.

[KrP1]

This guy looks very disproportionate. If you think that he looks great go to a psychologist.

[Melan_sprint]

if he puts minor lifts inside his shoes that would even out his proportions and he would bang 10/10 chicks.

But i agree that 7 cm max on femur is no problem what so ever

[Overdozer]

This guy looks very disproportionate. If you think that he looks great go to a psychologist.

lol dumbass

He's got VERY usual long femur-short tibia propotions of a tall man. He just decided to put his pants high up for some reason - no one wears them that high and that obviously gives an illusion of longer femurs. If you disagree, go fk yourself (read: go to a psychologist)

[Alittletooshort]

lol dumbass

He's got VERY usual long femur-short tibia propotions of a tall man. He just decided to put his pants high up for some reason - no one wears them that high and that obviously gives an illusion of longer femurs. If you disagree, go fk yourself (read: go to a psychologist)

You can't be serious about that, no way is this femur tibia ratio close to something usual. It might have looked ok if he had sticked to 7 but now, his legs look weird and his arms look stumpy.

[KrP1]

lol dumbass

He's got VERY usual long femur-short tibia propotions of a tall man. He just decided to put his pants high up for some reason - no one wears them that high and that obviously gives an illusion of longer femurs. If you disagree, go fk yourself (read: go to a psychologist)

haha , the only dumbass here is you.
why you cant see the reality? this guy has super long femurs that look really bad. I havent seen a person with that proportions in my life . show this photo to any person that isnt obsesed with height , and all of them will say the same as me. His proportions are really unnatural and weird.

[Uppland]

haha , the only dumbass here is you.
why you cant see the reality? this guy has super long femurs that look really bad. I havent seen a person with that proportions in my life . show this photo to any person that isnt obsesed with height , and all of them will say the same as me. His proportions are really unnatural and weird.

Remember that any of us would similar if we lengthened 7CM and wore some thick boots.

Anyway, could you post a picture of an ll patient that has good proportions -not just "ok"?

[Taller]

Remember that any of us would similar if we lengthened 7CM and wore some thick boots.

Anyway, could you post a picture of an ll patient that has good proportions -not just "ok"?

[Taller]

[Taller]

[Uppland]

OBG did 6CM, what about the other guy?

He does seem to have quite long arms.

[KrP1]

i think that Oldiebutgoldie looks fine, and the last one who did tibias look fine too

[Taller]

The last guy is Calic. He gained a little over 7 CM. He said he went from 5'7 to almost 5'11 in the morning. His armspan is 5'11.

[NewHeights]

The last guy is Calic. He gained a little over 7 CM. He said he went from 5'7 to almost 5'11 in the morning. His armspan is 5'11.

The pic of the second guy shows how important arm length is. Long arms can make a guy look proportional at various heights because even with a short torso, long arms will match long legs post lengthening.

I saw a guy at the gym standing on an 7 inch platform behind some equipment (couldn't see below his knees), and I said to myself that he could definitely pull off being 6' 1" due to his gorilla arms (he was probably 5' 8", 5' 9")

the fact is, you won't have an aesthetically proportional body with a highly negative ape index. Long legs and short arms are just not a good combo, I'm sorry. Long legs, long arms, and short torso is not that bad

[Melan_sprint]

stop use the word aesthetic you seem pretentious and are only using it because you watched some zeez clips on youtube. cringe everytime i hear people use that word. As if you are aware... anyway i think that if you can pull of rocky marciano proportions you will be just fine.

[NewHeights]

 :'(I don't think anyone has actually attempted to directly answer the question: "long legs, where do you draw the line?", so I'll throw in my two cents in a formulaic manner:

1. Do not exceed a 50% cycling inseam to height ratio (the average is around 46.5%)
2. Do not exceed a -2 inch ape index (the average ape index is +9 CM,)


That's where you draw the line IMO, as you will most likely stay in the realm of normalcy if you follow those general guidelines.

[Overdozer]

the average ape index is +9 CM

u wot m8

It's +2 cm.

Also, lengthening both humerus and forearms is possible, so it shouldn't stop someone who is really determined. I say generally you don't bother about torso nor arm proportions when lengthening just one segment (though you can screw segmental proportions), but when doing two segments and over 10 cms you'll have to get your arms lengthened, unless they were long in the first place, meaning you had a high positive ape index like 8+ something.

[Melan_sprint]

:'(I don't think anyone has actually attempted to directly answer the question: "long legs, where do you draw the line?", so I'll throw in my two cents in a formulaic manner:

1. Do not exceed a 50% cycling inseam to height ratio (the average is around 46.5%)
2. Do not exceed a -2 inch ape index (the average ape index is +9 CM,)


That's where you draw the line IMO, as you will most likely stay in the realm of normalcy if you follow those general guidelines.

Tell that too mathew mconaghue he has the wingspan of someone 5'7-9 to his 5'11 height.

[NewHeights]

u wot m8

It's +2 cm.

Also, lengthening both humerus and forearms is possible, so it shouldn't stop someone who is really determined. I say generaly you don't bother about torso nor arm proportions when lengthening just one segment (though you can screw segmental proportions), but when doing two segments and over 10 cms you'll have to get your arms lengthened, unless they were long in the first place, meaning you had a high positive ape index like 8+ something.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2700438/

Check out pages 4 and 21. It also says that armspan exceeds height in 98% of subjects, so -2 inch ape index is really pushing it already

[Alittletooshort]

Tell that too mathew mconaghue he has the wingspan of someone 5'7-9 to his 5'11 height.

And it´s quit obvious
Do you really think it´s pure chance that he is so often depicted with his arms crossed? 

[Uppland]

I used to be the biggest arm length nazi because I have short arms but now I have kind of changed my mind. Yes it's important, -if you do more than 9-10CM otherwise it usually isn't that big of a deal in my opinion, leg length is a bigger hindrance for many.

Although I might just be biased toward that conclusion but I honestly can't see that much wrong with my arms even after 8CM. Also never noticed matthews arms until someone on the internet pointed it out.

That said it should be possible to gain about 3CM on both arms but of course the humerus to forearm proportions are also important. Bottom line is: no LL patient will look completely normal post-op the important thing is that the proportions look good or at the very least okay.

[Overdozer]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2700438/

Check out pages 4 and 21. It also says that armspan exceeds height in 98% of subjects, so -2 inch ape index is really pushing it already

u wot m8?

http://www.medsci.cn/SCI/show_paper.asp?id=2e544896588

The results have shown that male Serbians are 181.96 +/- 6.74 cm tall and have an arm span of 184.78 +/- 8.41 cm

http://www.ijpp.com/IJPP%20archives/2000_44_3/329-334.pdf

Arm span exceeded height in 82.6% subjects

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7491733?dopt=Abstract


Must be good news for you, brotherman.

[Uppland]

Also, not to beat a dead horse, but short arms are in my opinion less of a problem than (too) long legs. Hasn't these two actors become sex symbols, and aren't their arms noticeably short for their height?

[NewHeights]

u wot m8?

http://www.medsci.cn/SCI/show_paper.asp?id=2e544896588http://www.ijpp.com/IJPP%20archives/2000_44_3/329-334.pdfhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7491733?dopt=Abstract


Must be good news for you, brotherman.

Thank you for the additional data my friend. There are a range of reported statistics, from 1.02 ape index to 1.05, but I tend to be on the conservative side when I view these statistics

[Overdozer]

Thank you for the additional data my friend. There are a range of reported statistics, from 1.02 ape index to 1.05, but I tend to be on the conservative side when I view these statistics

NP the average ape index is no more than 2-3 cm for white males.

http://www.drustvo-antropologov.si/AN/PDF/2012_2/Anthropological_Notebooks_XVIII_2_Bjelica.pdf

The results have shown that male Montenegrins are 183.21±7.06 centimetres
tall and have an arm span of 185.71±8.17 centimetres

[Melan_sprint]

And it´s quit obvious
Do you really think it´s pure chance that he is so often depicted with his arms crossed?

Thats why he his wife is smoking hot and he has been living the life we all want to live, recently won a oscar, not saying that is a meassure of success but his arms clearly hasnt hindered him. He is a cool dude.

[Uppland]

Thats why he his wife is smoking hot and he has been living the life we all want to live, recently won a oscar, not saying that is a meassure of success but his arms clearly hasnt hindered him. He is a cool dude.

Yeah, short arms is only an issue if they look noticeably bad, but like we can alla attest: few people actually recognize arm length at all in real life. I know I never did, just assumed people were proportionate like everyone else does.

[NewHeights]

Yeah, short arms is only an issue if they look noticeably bad, but like we can alla attest: few people actually recognize arm length at all in real life. I know I never did, just assumed people were proportionate like everyone else does.

Even with my obsession about height and proportions, I still can't accurately gauge someone's arm span. 90% of the time I can get sometimes height to 1 inch though