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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #62 on: February 12, 2014, 06:47:43 PM »

Whoa, is the police threat coming from Dr. Sringari or people who manage the guesthouse?
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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #63 on: February 12, 2014, 08:23:08 PM »

The threat was from the manager (aka. crazy+6). The doctor is claiming innocence in the matters unfolding and says he will come to meet us tomorrow morning. My main frustration is the constant lying and dismissive attitudes. I do not trust any of these people any more, and all the lies told were so pathetic and petty. They were simply unneeded lies about the stupidest things that they know we know are untrue, yet they try to convince us otherwise.

My primary concern above all else still remains to get out healthy and leave it behind. I'm really worried about my toe now. All external sources I've contacted say it is a nerve issue with possible permanent paralysis. The physio adamantly claims it's a muscle and gets mad if I try to argue otherwise. He finally said I can ask the doctor, so we'll see what he says.
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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #64 on: February 12, 2014, 08:53:34 PM »

I thought Sarin was the doctor with legions of villains running his practice, but it seems Sringari is plagued with this also.
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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #65 on: February 12, 2014, 09:51:15 PM »

LOL so crazy+6 manages the guesthouse?  Now it's pretty fking obvious that him and SysOp/Apo cut a deal with Sringari...

If a doctor gets mad if you try to argue otherwise about your toe, that's scary and probably means he's in denial.  I hope you get out of there without any serious problems.

Sringari's practice is plagued with villains because the same villains from before moved here.  The same villains also pushed his practice on old forum .
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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #66 on: February 12, 2014, 10:47:18 PM »

Wait, so the manager of Dr. Sringari's guest house is seriously the same person as Crazy+6 on old forum ? This is, well... Crazy.


How did you find out about this? This saga never stops unfolding and getting more complicated. I'm glad it's all coming to light at last, but it's really saddening that good folks like yourself weren't able to find out about it all before getting screwed.


I hope that, in the future, stem cell research or some other tissue-regeneration technology will allow you to regain full control of your toe.
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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #67 on: February 13, 2014, 01:43:21 AM »

Polycrates, was the threat made towards my old room mate?
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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #68 on: February 13, 2014, 06:09:59 AM »

I'm really worried about my toe now. All external sources I've contacted say it is a nerve issue with possible permanent paralysis. The physio adamantly claims it's a muscle and gets mad if I try to argue otherwise. He finally said I can ask the doctor, so we'll see what he says.

I have advise from a patient who read about your situation..  I am quoting the message as follows.

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1) Seek Medical attention from Other Doctors or Medical Professionals; ones who are not biased or there to give you phoney, crappy stories to appease your worries when obvious medical issues are there and should not be ignored. And ones who are competent.   
 
Sometimes it resolves on its own, other times you need early intervention to help it or else it may become permanent.

I'm not sure what the prognosis would be; nor am I qualified to make any assumptions. I am not a Doctor,...the only reasonable explanation and one I heard over and over again is similar to Dr. BirkHoltz which is a nerve injury.

I remember the responses I got from Dr. Sarin, his staff, and Dr. Sringari; and I would say definitely get advice, tests, and possible treatment elsewhere!!!

Take everyone's words (including mine if you wish) with a grain of salt. Don't base your judgements out of simple convenience or laziness....Go out and seek medical advice and attention from a number of different source and then base your overall judgement based on what the overall majority conclusion is, based on evidence and research.

Also, when you are reading on the internet for diagnosing medical problems...remember, most things that are on the internet cannot relate to our specific issues on cosmetic Limb Lengthenning.

A site or literature that talks about Neuropathy / polyneuropathy cannot be expanded to everyone's situation, because everyone's situation is unique.  And medical field is rapidly changing every year that old data is replace with newer data;  Doctors have to be re-certified / trained every few years to keep up with new medical advances.

See qualified Doctors who will give you proper medical help.

Not doctors who do work that is out of their field of specialization (A Knee Replacement Ortho (Sringari) or General Otho (Sarin) is Not the same as a Spinal Ortho or a LL Ortho)....Just like a Regular dentist is not as specialized compared to a Periodontist (in terms in gum and jaw) or Dental Surgeon.

The people I've met working under Dr. Sarin's care (and now under Dr. Sringari) are medically not comparable to Western standards.
Students hired straight out of finishing a Bachelors in Physiotherapy from INdia. The text books they were learning in, most are still black and white and printed in the 1970s, 1980s....

Also, Physiotherapist IS Not the same as a Neurologist or an LL Orthopaedic Surgeon who specializes in LL.

2) Get Tests done - Ex. NCS and EMG (On the EMG, make sure they put the Needles inside the Extensor Hallucis Longus for both legs to compare)

Also, a Neurologist might prescribe special Neurotonics to stimulate the Axons on the nerves to grow and "Reach out" to the distal (dead end) of the adjacent nerve so that they could reconnect (very important AND must be done on a timely manner, if the 2 Axons don't meet up again, either surgery must be done quickly to re-attach it (See a Neurosurgeon) or you risk permanent paralysis).
 

3) Finally, I read that he was planning to do a nerve release on frame removal. I asked several Doc that were not Sarin or Sringari (qualified LL Orthos and Neurosugeons) and they all told me the same: It's too late to do a nerve release now because the area is not compressed anymore from the initial trauma, swelling, and possible compartment sydrome.

Doing a nerve release now will not help a nerve that has been already injured / dead. It is only useful at the beginning to relieve pressue and save the nerve.

What's more, an inexperienced Doctor doing a nerve release may involuntary injure the nerve even more, or worse, cut/rupture which is permanent paralysis (if the nerve was initially spared at the beginning and was undergoing healing).


Also, Do NOT do a Tendon Transfer or Tenodesis
If your nerve is recovering, then doing a tendon transfer will destroy your Extensor Halluciis forever.

What that is, is the surgeon cuts the tendon attached to the Extensor Hallucis Longus of your big toe and re-attaches it to your Extensor Digitorium (the tendon that controls your smaller toes). What that means is that your Extensor Hallucis Longus dies from eventual Atrophy and your leg looks deformed because a muscle is "dead."

For Example: On your fingers, there are 5 tendons that controls each figure individially. If I cut your tendon on your index finger and reattach it to your middle figure, it means in the future, when you move your middle finger, your index would move too....so both are moving together and not separate anymore....same thing with this, cut the extensor hallucis, and attach to Digitourim, so when you mean, you will be using a different muscle to compensate and move your leg.

The above tendon transfer  is what Other MEdical Doctors advised me, is a LAST resort after many YEARS if other treatments or surgeries (Ex. Nerve Graft) or body's natural healing does not work)

4) Take responsibility on your own health.
Get advice from people who are MEDICALLY QUALIFIED.
Learn about what happened, and what could be done to relieve / fix it.
Learn about the habits that could made it worse (Pressure on Sciatic Nerve) and also get the prescription to stimulate nerve growth asap

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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2014, 06:13:45 AM »

The police threat was brought to light vicariously. It was purported to have been told behind closed doors to urge this particular patient to leave. It all comes down a visa issue that should have been simply resolved long ago while said person was still valid in the country.

The meeting occurred today and we vented many issues regarding the management of this place. The doctor said he was completely unaware of the issues involving thievery and indolence of the managers. I still think that it is negligent of the doctor to enter a business practice with these people without fleshing out all the details. I do genuinely think he is good and sincere but his actions-- be it due to time constraints or gullibility-- must be made accountable for. We'll see how he ultimately chooses to handle the fiasco he's found himself in.

Yes, all the rumours regarding crazy+6 seem to be true. It was well hidden and is still not verified by Sunny the pseudo-manager, but it has been proven beyond more than a reasonable doubt. I have no qualms calling this guy a spineless piece of   because I messaged him on old forum  asking for a truthful answer and he told me that he lives 300km from Dehli and has no involvement whatsoever in this practice. Some people might not find it a big deal, but the thing I hate most in life is being lied to, and the more unnecessary the lying, the more I get pissed off. All I wanted was a truthful answer. He can't even come and reveal himself like a man, the cowardly fk.
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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #70 on: February 13, 2014, 06:17:19 AM »

Regarding the toe, Sringari told me once again he thinks it'll come back, but if it doesn't, he says, to him it's "not a big deal". I'm going to be out of frames in the next 10 or so days and I'll definitely seek the advice of a neurologist once I'm out.
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And it was here that he professed to his disciples: all of life's bounties lay somewhere upon the dreaded bell curve

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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2014, 06:23:59 AM »

Wish you luck, Polycrates. Hopefully someone there will be able to help you.
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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2014, 08:31:27 AM »

My roommate's toe stopped working right after the surgery ... it was because of the wrong placement of pin which pressurised the nerve i guess .
Later after consulting other doctors He came to know that it could have been avoided if Sarin had done another surgery to fix it within 24 hours of the major surgery which ofcourse he didn't cause he is too sloppy and wanted to cut costs .

during his lengthening period his toe didn't work but right after frame removal it gradually started working .

I can recall him asking Dr Sarin so many times about the issue but Sarin never really gave a clear answer except for *don't worry , everything will be OK* .  He ended up going to neurologist himself and counsulted other doctors for answers while lengthening .

i hope your toe will also hip hop after frame removal :)
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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #73 on: February 13, 2014, 08:43:13 AM »

Machine,

That is soothing news for the nerves to hear-- no pun intended. Honestly, I appreciate your frankness and consolation. Always look forward to your posts. I blew up on Harry today while he was trying to make up some story to exculpate the doctor's responsibility and now he says he'll take me to see a neurologist. He knows all his lying telling me it was a muscle when he knew full well it wasn't was wrong. It seems he may have a conscience after all, you just need to scold him for it to be exercised. We'll see if they follow through with this. I am so anxious for frame removal now to relieve that nerve because all sources say the longer its pressurized, the less chance it has of recovering.
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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #74 on: February 13, 2014, 09:37:45 AM »

thanks for the appreciation bro and thank you for writing the truth and of your honesty , you just saved many other patients from taking a wrong decision .

Anyway just wanted to say that before going for any kinda of test or for consultation i think you should read and understand the post by dameon because i believe it is an invaluable information regarding your condition .

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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #75 on: February 13, 2014, 04:39:10 PM »

Lets hope you recover the hability to move your toe.
Because you will probably walk a little "funny" without it.
Do you remove your frames soon ?

From what i read i would say Sarin looks even better at doing LL than Sringari...
But they are both really really risky choices.

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« Reply #76 on: February 14, 2014, 05:24:26 AM »

I thought Sarin was the doctor with legions of villains running his practice, but it seems Sringari is plagued with this also.

Don't you know those people left Sarin to work for Sringari?  That's Harry, Sunny and Crazy.     No surprise the same problems are ongoing.   
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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #77 on: February 14, 2014, 05:58:24 AM »

Guys, Dr. Sringari is Dr. Sarin in disguise...
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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #78 on: February 14, 2014, 07:03:31 AM »

Guys, Dr. Sringari is Dr. Sarin in disguise...

It's not.
Let's not confuse new readers.
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« Reply #79 on: February 14, 2014, 07:34:31 AM »

Guys, Dr. Sringari is Dr. Sarin in disguise...

Sarin thought growing an 80's pornstar moustache would hide him..
What a pathetic attempt..
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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #80 on: February 14, 2014, 08:40:06 AM »

dr. Sarin is better than dr. Sringari..
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« Reply #81 on: February 14, 2014, 09:24:30 AM »

If they both jack up your legs then it probably doesn't matter if one is better than the other.
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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #82 on: February 14, 2014, 09:59:07 AM »

Saw the neurological consultant doctor today and he took some sensory tests. Told me the nerves still intact but is debilitated. He told me he's quite certain it will retain 3-4 weeks afters frame removal and he prescribed me a drug called benfomet plus.
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« Reply #83 on: February 14, 2014, 06:23:56 PM »

I am in shock............................

tell me everything i need to know!

I suspected something was wrong when the personal message system was taken offline...........

but WOW........... crazy is phantom, manager of sarin guest house, and manager of sringari guest house.

I feel hurt.............  I was seriously going to go to sringari..............  so you gys think sringari would fk me up? even if i didn't live in the guest house?

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Re: LON with the boys at Dr Sringari--India (Complete)
« Reply #84 on: February 14, 2014, 06:45:52 PM »

The guest house s**t really pissed me off and completely spoiled this experience for me. If you were to go to Sringari and establish housing and physio on your own accord then he could possibly be a feasible situation. He is a good guy with good intention in trying to help you, but if I knew what I know now I personally would not have come.

He is the head trauma orthopaedic surgeon at the hospital and seems to always be working. This practice for him seems to be on the side burner, if that. Also, his knowledge and experience with LL has been known to come into question. Everyone here so far has been lucky to have not had a serious problem. I'd say I have the most serious problem with the paralysis in the toe and I don't think he's handled it appropriately. If it comes back, which another doctor I've spoken to says it should, then I will count myself extremely lucky.

There seem to be better options in India if you have to forego the guest house. Parihar, for instance. I would have gone with him and settled my own physio and apartment if I knew how the guest house was operated. For what you pay for the guest house, you can take yourself and create a paradise in India, if you do your research. Everyone here in the guest house wanted that feeling of camaraderie and inclusion, so I'd suggest members on this forum to reach out to each other and create a coalition to go to a doctor that is more qualified but does not offer a guest house.
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« Reply #85 on: February 14, 2014, 07:00:21 PM »

what is your opinion of the doctors from sparsh hospital where crazy did his tibia surgery?
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« Reply #86 on: February 14, 2014, 07:06:05 PM »

Dr Patil and Dr Tejwani only do externals, and last I checked they were quoting $6,000 USD for the surgery. You have to pay for caretaker, residence, and food on your own. Even with that though it would come out pretty inexpensive in comparison to other doctors. They did offer LON at one point but after a patient got non-union they stopped offering it.
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« Reply #87 on: February 14, 2014, 07:11:55 PM »

Ask that conniving little snake yourself, if he's willing to give an honest answer for once in his life.
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« Reply #88 on: February 14, 2014, 07:25:59 PM »

Ask that conniving little snake yourself, if he's willing to give an honest answer for once in his life.

According to Crazy+6:

"Dr. Amar Sarin is very experienced and knowledgeable doctor. If I compare him with Dr. Tejwani in scale of 0-10. Dr. Tejwani would get 5 and Dr. Sarin would get 10. He is way far experienced than him. Please note I am not saying Dr. Tejwani is a bad doctor but he is less experienced."
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« Reply #89 on: February 14, 2014, 07:34:44 PM »

Yeah Sarin looks experienced, his big problem is that he doesnt give a F... like many others. We are in underground mod  8), Russian roulette mod. Parihar looks more skilled than Sarin i have seen his video, its quite impressive.
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« Reply #90 on: February 14, 2014, 07:47:17 PM »

Yeah Sarin looks experienced, his big problem is that he doesnt give a F... like many others. We are in underground mod  8), Russian roulette mod. Parihar looks more skilled than Sarin i have seen his video, its quite impressive.

Dr Parihar has trained with Dr. Paley. That's comforting to know purely based on qualifications.
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« Reply #91 on: February 14, 2014, 07:59:18 PM »

Indeed thats good to know, but just hearing him answering about techincal subjects tells you that he knows his thing. Only problem with him is that he doesn't do a lot of cosmetic LL and doesnt recommend standing which i find a little weird.
Keep up the good work Kilokahn... are you Indian by the way ?
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« Reply #92 on: February 14, 2014, 08:24:53 PM »

Indeed thats good to know, but just hearing him answering about techincal subjects tells you that he knows his thing. Only problem with him is that he doesn't do a lot of cosmetic LL and doesnt recommend standing which i find a little weird.
Keep up the good work Kilokahn... are you Indian by the way ?

There seems to be quite a split between docs on how beneficial weight bearing is. I think there is benefit to being cautious with weight bearing during the lengthening phase. If you bend a rod or something or fall that can lead to other surgeries.

I'm not Indian, but I do have a good group of friends from India and Kashmir.


(Sorry to hijack your LL experience, Polycrates. I can ask Dameon move this stuff to a different topic like Dr Parihar's thread if you want).
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