Topic: if you train hard, you might gain back 110% athleticism. (Read 31116 times)

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #62 on:** March 14, 2015, 11:59:23 PM »

well I wont lie. it does scare me. I have decided that 11cm is worth a decrease in ability if it happens. however the brain is capable of many things, a person can influence the outcome.

Uppland · « **Reply #63 on:** March 15, 2015, 12:33:42 AM »

As far as I know there is only one record of someone recovering completely -that is he doesn't feel any worse whatsoever after the surgery. That's Shyshy, he did 7-8CM femur with Guichet and he claims (and has more or less shown) that he is just as fast, agile and athletic as he was before the surgery.

Everyone else has had more or less permanent damage to their bodies. MDoW told me he can't run very far nowadays and his knees hurt, OBG is slower than he used to be and seemed to peak at a 70-80% recovery rate -his own words-, Sweden has often claimed his muscles have been severly damaged etc etc.

So, while I believe that a complete recovery is possible, I think it's very unlikely and we should all expect to have a weaker -if taller- body when all is said and done.

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #64 on:** March 15, 2015, 02:16:43 AM »

the key is this.

dwarfts are capable of lengthening 20cm because from a genetic standpoint they have long muscles on short limbs.

if you have genetically long muscles but short long bones dues to not achieving your full potential during puberty, then you are much more likely to get through this with retaining your athletic potential.

I believe this to be the case with me. but yes many people do not retain their athletic potential. statistical analysis states that it is far more likely to loose athletic potential. which is even more reason to stay in the safe zone.

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #65 on:** March 15, 2015, 02:24:27 AM »

I also believe that you need to go at the rate of lengthening that mimics puberty.

i am lengthening at 0.66 per day, and 0.5mm per day. i never went above this, i did 0.66 for the first 2.5cm-3cm, and then 0.5mm for the rest.

ReadRothbard · « **Reply #66 on:** March 15, 2015, 05:59:48 AM »

Quote from: ForcedPuberty on March 15, 2015, 02:16:43 AM

the key is this.

dwarfts are capable of lengthening 20cm because from a genetic standpoint they have long muscles on short limbs.

if you have genetically long muscles but short long bones dues to not achieving your full potential during puberty, then you are much more likely to get through this with retaining your athletic potential.

I believe this to be the case with me. but yes many people do not retain their athletic potential. statistical analysis states that it is far more likely to loose athletic potential. which is even more reason to stay in the safe zone.

This is actually something I've wondered about because that situation applies to me. I'm roughly 5-8 inches shorter than my predicted height according to the Grey method and my growth curves. I hope that will make lengthening to 6'0+ easier for me.

Christopherbulder · « **Reply #67 on:** March 16, 2015, 10:58:06 PM »

Quote from: Alittletooshort on March 14, 2015, 11:49:45 PM

WOW that´s awesome to hear, It proves that Dr. G is one of the best choices for LL.

yes doctor Guichet is very good doctor very futuriste doctor for 2003
tu day Doctor Monegal (fit bone new generation) is good choice is new generation of doctor

ReadRothbard · « **Reply #68 on:** March 16, 2015, 11:05:04 PM »

Quote from: Christopherbulder on March 16, 2015, 10:58:06 PM

yes doctor Guichet is very good doctor very futuriste doctor for 2003
tu day Doctor Monegal (fit bone new generation) is good choice is new generation of doctor

I smell a scam.

tallerbetter · « **Reply #69 on:** March 17, 2015, 12:01:24 AM »

Quote from: ReadRothbard on March 16, 2015, 11:05:04 PM

I smell a scam.

MM has a competitor in b...li..ng

ReadRothbard · « **Reply #70 on:** March 17, 2015, 12:31:00 AM »

Quote from: tallerbetter on March 17, 2015, 12:01:24 AM

MM has a competitor in b...li..ng

I don't think MM is bull ting. She seems genuine.

Christopherbulder · « **Reply #71 on:** March 18, 2015, 09:49:08 AM »

Quote from: ReadRothbard on March 16, 2015, 11:05:04 PM

I smell a scam.

why scam

I'm not investor of Doctor
is just my opinion after my surgery

tallerbetter · « **Reply #72 on:** March 18, 2015, 11:09:35 AM »

Quote from: ReadRothbard on March 17, 2015, 12:31:00 AM

I don't think MM is bullcrapting. She seems genuine.

No bull ting, bumli...ng

YellowSpike · « **Reply #73 on:** March 18, 2015, 06:07:08 PM »

Quote from: Uppland on March 15, 2015, 12:33:42 AM

As far as I know there is only one record of someone recovering completely -that is he doesn't feel any worse whatsoever after the surgery. That's Shyshy, he did 7-8CM femur with Guichet and he claims (and has more or less shown) that he is just as fast, agile and athletic as he was before the surgery.

Everyone else has had more or less permanent damage to their bodies. MDoW told me he can't run very far nowadays and his knees hurt, OBG is slower than he used to be and seemed to peak at a 70-80% recovery rate -his own words-, Sweden has often claimed his muscles have been severly damaged etc etc.

So, while I believe that a complete recovery is possible, I think it's very unlikely and we should all expect to have a weaker -if taller- body when all is said and done.

Very well said! I'd love to be like ShyShy, he was my biggest inspiration to choose Dr. G. I don't regret it so far, but I can see how recovery may be harder than I thought. Just have to keep at it.

greatheight · « **Reply #74 on:** March 18, 2015, 06:18:00 PM »

Quote from: ReadRothbard on March 15, 2015, 05:59:48 AM

This is actually something I've wondered about because that situation applies to me. I'm roughly 5-8 inches shorter than my predicted height according to the Grey method and my growth curves. I hope that will make lengthening to 6'0+ easier for me.

Very interesting bro!

spiderman · « **Reply #75 on:** March 22, 2015, 05:22:03 PM »

If you lengthen two segments you will lose most of your athletic abilities according to my local doctor.

DoctorGirl · « **Reply #76 on:** March 23, 2015, 11:18:05 AM »

This is hyperbole, you cannot gain back the same amount of athleticism. Even with one surgery you won't EVEN get a decent amount of athleticism. Trust me, I aired my concerns about this crazy surgery with an orthopaedic faculty over lunch. He has no reason to lie to me. If you are an athlete, just don't do it.

Ask any nurse or doctor who is not in the orthopaedic Limb Lengthening business what they think. Chances are, they will tell you its crazy to do this for cosmetic purposes.

ReadRothbard · « **Reply #77 on:** March 23, 2015, 03:19:01 PM »

Quote from: DoctorGirl on March 23, 2015, 11:18:05 AM

This is hyperbole, you cannot gain back the same amount of athleticism. Even with one surgery you won't EVEN get a decent amount of athleticism. Trust me, I aired my concerns about this crazy surgery with an orthopaedic faculty over lunch. He has no reason to lie to me. If you are an athlete, just don't do it.

Ask any nurse or doctor who is not in the orthopaedic Limb Lengthening business what they think. Chances are, they will tell you its crazy to do this for cosmetic purposes.

Of course they'll tell you that--they aren't ll experts.

DoctorGirl · « **Reply #78 on:** March 23, 2015, 03:24:17 PM »

Quote from: ReadRothbard on March 23, 2015, 03:19:01 PM

Of course they'll tell you that--they aren't ll experts.

Yeah but they did study years of medical school or nursing school, followed by general surgical training and residency. They should have a better picture than a layman, though of course not the best picture.

ReadRothbard · « **Reply #79 on:** March 23, 2015, 03:27:15 PM »

Quote from: DoctorGirl on March 23, 2015, 03:24:17 PM

Yeah but they did study years of medical school or nursing school, followed by general surgical training and residency. They should have a better picture than a layman, though of course not the best picture.

That's true, but their knowledge would pale in comparison to that of Dr. Paley and such.

DoctorGirl · « **Reply #80 on:** March 23, 2015, 03:29:33 PM »

Quote from: ReadRothbard on March 23, 2015, 03:27:15 PM

That's true, but their knowledge would pale in comparison to that of Dr. Paley and such.

Problem is that such doctors who do LL full-time have a conflict of interest. That's not to say they are liars. They have a conflict of interest, money vs ethics & safety.

ReadRothbard · « **Reply #81 on:** March 23, 2015, 09:26:59 PM »

Quote from: DoctorGirl on March 23, 2015, 03:29:33 PM

Problem is that such doctors who do LL full-time have a conflict of interest. That's not to say they are liars. They have a conflict of interest, money vs ethics & safety.

That's true, but guys like Dr. Paley make the vast majority of their money from medical cases (limb length discrepancy, deformity correction, etc). Paley does about 900 procedures a year, and I think only 50 or so are cosmetic cases. So, that isn't his main source of income. Therefore, he doesn't have a huge incentive to lie.

DoctorGirl · « **Reply #82 on:** March 23, 2015, 09:31:35 PM »

Quote from: ReadRothbard on March 23, 2015, 09:26:59 PM

That's true, but guys like Dr. Paley make the vast majority of their money from medical cases (limb length discrepancy, deformity correction, etc). Paley does about 900 procedures a year, and I think only 50 or so are cosmetic cases. So, that isn't his main source of income. Therefore, he doesn't have a huge incentive to lie.

I hope you are correct.

Christopherbulder · « **Reply #83 on:** March 23, 2015, 10:00:08 PM »

Quote from: DoctorGirl on March 23, 2015, 03:24:17 PM

Yeah but they did study years of medical school or nursing school, followed by general surgical training and residency. They should have a better picture than a layman, though of course not the best picture.

no is not sure
my surgery is 2003 my capacity the same before
depend of you training after surgery only

Uppland · « **Reply #84 on:** March 23, 2015, 10:35:24 PM »

Quote from: Christopherbulder on March 23, 2015, 10:00:08 PM

no is not sure
my surgery is 2003 my capacity the same before
depend of you training after surgery only

Very interesting that you had your surgery 12 years ago.

Could you please tell us a bit about what you went through, how you know these things and such?

Thanks.

Christopherbulder · « **Reply #85 on:** March 28, 2015, 11:58:33 AM »

video 12 years after surgery femur albizzia (docteur GUICHET) 7CM
no probleme 100%

Uppland · « **Reply #86 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:25:50 PM »

Dude your thigh muscles look huge!

Congratulations on recovering 100%, if you want you could make a thread on here and tell us about your recovery, answer questions etc.

It would be very much appreciated, but I don't want to pressure you.

goodlucktomylegs · « **Reply #87 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:29:36 PM »

Quote from: Christopherbulder on March 28, 2015, 11:58:33 AM

video 12 years after surgery femur albizzia (docteur GUICHET) 7CM
no probleme 100%

lease make video more
You can wear mask when you are recording
We need to see run 8-15 minutes on treadmill for see your endurance
We need to see your juming and burplee
We need you to do some Yoga and aerobic dance or squad
This is my serious request <I know i ask you too much but it is neceesary
Because of there is no one else on this forum did femur as long time as you did
You will become our legend and can make strong evidences to prove for ller in future and make our hope brighter(Haha i dont know how to write it in english)
I am going to Guichet to do femur 6 cm this July
Please Please Please.....

Christopherbulder · « **Reply #88 on:** April 02, 2015, 10:15:29 PM »

Quote from: DoctorGirl on March 23, 2015, 11:18:05 AM

This is hyperbole, you cannot gain back the same amount of athleticism. Even with one surgery you won't EVEN get a decent amount of athleticism. Trust me, I aired my concerns about this crazy surgery with an orthopaedic faculty over lunch. He has no reason to lie to me. If you are an athlete, just don't do it.

Ask any nurse or doctor who is not in the orthopaedic Limb Lengthening business what they think. Chances are, they will tell you its crazy to do this for cosmetic purposes.

Christopherbulder · « **Reply #89 on:** April 02, 2015, 10:18:42 PM »

Quote from: DoctorGirl on March 23, 2015, 11:18:05 AM

This is hyperbole, you cannot gain back the same amount of athleticism. Even with one surgery you won't EVEN get a decent amount of athleticism. Trust me, I aired my concerns about this crazy surgery with an orthopaedic faculty over lunch. He has no reason to lie to me. If you are an athlete, just don't do it.

Ask any nurse or doctor who is not in the orthopaedic Limb Lengthening business what they think. Chances are, they will tell you its crazy to do this for cosmetic purposes.

Christopherbulder · « **Reply #90 on:** April 02, 2015, 10:20:54 PM »

crimsontide · « **Reply #91 on:** April 02, 2015, 10:41:48 PM »

that is not athleticism

those are static movements

Uppland · « **Reply #92 on:** April 02, 2015, 11:23:15 PM »

Quote from: crimsontide on April 02, 2015, 10:41:48 PM

that is not athleticism

those are static movements
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Mate your recovery is exellent. Thank you so much for sharing with us, it really means a lot.

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