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[KrP1]

people judge these things very bad, they think we are very superficial and stupid persons for do a so risky cosmetic surgery.
Are you afraid that your future girlfriend could discover that you did CLL?

[YellowSpike]

I'm not worried about this in the slightest. It's a different version of being judged...we're either dismissed for being too short, or for doing LL. If a woman rejects me for having done LL, she doesn't accept part of my "story." Eff that.

[ForcedPuberty]

music maker: it takes just 1 person to see your scars and to start talking. or 1 angry boyfriend.

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I would just say I had corrective surgery.

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if people look down on you for having surgery, they were always going to look down on you the first chance they get, they would be the kind of person who looks for a reason to look down on people to artificially elevate their own status. I don't care what they think because they with this mental demeanor will never amount to anything in life because they will never focus on lifting themselves up, they will only try to knock others down.

no, my worry, is in the people this person talks to, because a lot of people are mindless drones who follow crowd mentality, they are easily manipulated into being opinionated to severe degrees, this person who tears others down only needs to persuade a small group of people in your social network to cause havoc to your reputation.

[KrP1]

i really think that the best way is to not admit you have done this surgery, but for people who do 10cm or more the old photos could be a problem, because if some one see them there is a huge diference.

[YellowSpike]

My biggest concern is actually keeping this a secret in the sense that, when I'm in a long-term relationship, I don't like keeping secrets. For dating/hooking up, those girls don't need to know. My ideal scenario would be to tell a girl I'm about to get serious with, and have her be ok with it...but then I worry, at that point (probably a few months or so in), she may freak out and then I've lost the relationship (and the time invested in it). So maybe I'll just keep it to myself. Guess my jury's still out on this one...

[Blackhawk]

My biggest concern is actually keeping this a secret in the sense that, when I'm in a long-term relationship, I don't like keeping secrets. For dating/hooking up, those girls don't need to know. My ideal scenario would be to tell a girl I'm about to get serious with, and have her be ok with it...but then I worry, at that point (probably a few months or so in), she may freak out and then I've lost the relationship (and the time invested in it). So maybe I'll just keep it to myself. Guess my jury's still out on this one...

Have you told anybody YellowSpike?

[YellowSpike]

Have you told anybody YellowSpike?

Only a few very close friends and my family know about the surgery.

I want to think that I wouldn't care if a girl rejected me for having done the surgery, but I'm not sure. I'm leaning towards not saying anything to a future girlfriend/wife.

[Blackhawk]

Only a few very close friends and my family know about the surgery.

I want to think that I wouldn't care if a girl rejected me for having done the surgery, but I'm not sure. I'm leaning towards not saying anything to a future girlfriend/wife.

Do you fear your friends and family will tell anyone?

[YellowSpike]

Do you fear your friends and family will tell anyone?

It's funny you mention that. A few already have opened their mouths (well, one person did to someone I didn't want to know). But honestly, I don't really care. The change is pretty obvious, and I feel like other people would eventually find out when they saw me. If people give me sh*t for having done the surgery (especially the ones who are average/tall), I have no problem cutting them out of my life. Quality > Quantity.

[KrP1]

My biggest concern is actually keeping this a secret in the sense that, when I'm in a long-term relationship, I don't like keeping secrets. For dating/hooking up, those girls don't need to know. My ideal scenario would be to tell a girl I'm about to get serious with, and have her be ok with it...but then I worry, at that point (probably a few months or so in), she may freak out and then I've lost the relationship (and the time invested in it). So maybe I'll just keep it to myself. Guess my jury's still out on this one...

i agree with you, i really dont like to have secrets in serious relationships, but from my experience is better to hide it, is posible that the person freak out if she knows, and if you broke with her she could tell people about your LL .

[tallerbetter]

I wouldn't tell anybody.
Yellowspike, how disappointing! I hate indiscrete people who are giving crap all the time. Disgusting. Kick their asses out

[tallerbetter]

i agree with you, i really dont like to have secrets in serious relationships, but from my experience is better to hide it, is posible that the person freak out if she knows, and if you broke with her she could tell people about your LL .

Bro I agree. Girls are freaking out all the time. They will surely freak out if they discover that you did LL. Conclusion: don't tell anybody. Besides, if the relationship is broken, they will probably tell everybody in your circle of friends. So disgusting!
I would hide LL even from my current girlfriend. She wouln't understand and I don't want to be judged. But I really want LL.

[ForcedPuberty]

girls cant be trusted. they cant keep their mouths shut. they HAVE TO TELL SOMEONE. and then that person usually a girl will have to tell someone.

when they get angry......... the first thing they will do is blab your secret.

[tallerbetter]

True, bro. Girls suck. They're only good for sex. 
But there are some men like that also. Talkative men also suck. They're like women. And they're not good for sex, at least not for me hahaha

[ReadRothbard]

Nope, I don't care at all. If she doesn't like it, the bitch can get lost.

[YellowSpike]

I wouldn't tell anybody.
Yellowspike, how disappointing! I hate indiscrete people who are giving crap all the time. Disgusting. Kick their asses out

Well the good news is that it's no one I really care about. Just some girl from my past with a big mouth (supposedly she's calmed down, but do they ever really change?) found out. But I don't talk to her or anyone that she does.

[ouroboros]

i really think that the best way is to not admit you have done this surgery, but for people who do 10cm or more the old photos could be a problem, because if some one see them there is a huge diference.

This is interesting.  Photos can be a big problem in my situation.  I am usually the shortest guy in pictures with friends and family. At least shorter than the guys by about 1 inch.

I happen to be more attractive, more successful, more likeable than most of my cousins and other relatives, but whenever we look at pictures it is always the same remarks;  "you are almost as tall as "so and so".........I didn't know you were shorter than "so and so".....your cousin Peter is only 14 and he is already taller than you.......   They usually try to put me down about my height because it's the only thing they can say to feel better about themselves.

When I get the surgery, that is going to change and I will be taller than everyone in future photos.  I'm sure rumors are going to start about what happened to me.  If they ever found out or figured out themselves, I will forever be thought of as the weird cousin that broke his legs on purpose because he is psycho. This is going to be awkward, but I may have to deal with it if it ever gets to this point.

As far as telling my future girlfriend, I would never bring it up or admit to it.  I would explain the scars as corrective surgery like ForcedPuberty suggested and end it at that.

We are not under any obligation to reveal everything we have done in the past, just the same as we don't have to reveal everyone we ever had sex with.  Being an "open book" and telling your girlfriend every thought that goes through your mind is a recipe for disaster.  All you are doing is giving your power away and providing her with ammunition for future arguments.

If you are truly doing LL for yourself and not to satisfy others, then you should be keeping it to yourself (or only those you trust with your own life).  There is simply no need to advertise it or promote it to anyone (except in anonymous forum)    

[BelowTheMean]

I agree that not everything should be shared between partners. There are a lot of things aside from LL that I wouldn't share with my future (or current) gf. I'm a fairly private person, and there are only two people I've told that I'm getting the surgery to, and only one other I would even consider telling.

[YellowSpike]

I agree that not everything should be shared between partners. There are a lot of things aside from LL that I wouldn't share with my future (or current) gf. I'm a fairly private person, and there are only two people I've told that I'm getting the surgery to, and only one other I would even consider telling.

yeah I agree with this. Especially with women, because they can go from loving you and being your best friend one moment, to telling all their friends about why they hate you the next. This post has definitely helped me decide I'm never telling a future serious gf this. I've only had a few very serious relationships over the years, and I did keep some things from them, so this will just be one of them.

[FutureLengthener]

I'm in the same camp as most of you guys. I would NEVER tell a girlfriend or wife. If you've recovered and are living like a normal person, the scars have faded away, etc, there is no conceivable benefit to telling them about your LL. The surgery would be no longer relevant. You are just a recovered patient moving on with life at his new height. Best case scenario, your GF wouldnt mind if you told her. But they probably wouldn't be able to understand the forces that led you to get LL, and very well could assume that you are an extremely insecure and weak guy to get LL. If your new height was part of what attracted them to you, alot of that flame will die out and they'll feel cheated. And like you guys said, what is said, cannot be taken back. Once she knows, you have zero control over what she does with that knowledge and who she tells.

[tallerbetter]

Keep the secret for yourselves, bros!

[Moose]

Ya i wouldn't really care if i told her or she found out or whatever. I didn't do it for her i did it for me. Ill explain to her why i did it and all but if she really loses respect for me or resents me for it than whatever i don't really care. Next.

[w1988]

My biggest concern is actually keeping this a secret in the sense that, when I'm in a long-term relationship, I don't like keeping secrets. For dating/hooking up, those girls don't need to know. My ideal scenario would be to tell a girl I'm about to get serious with, and have her be ok with it...but then I worry, at that point (probably a few months or so in), she may freak out and then I've lost the relationship (and the time invested in it). So maybe I'll just keep it to myself. Guess my jury's still out on this one...

The best relationship is when the girl reveals everything and the guy keeps secrets, it's actually the opposite of what is considered true. It keeps the girl on their toes, keeps you feeling 1 step ahead and she will always sense that you know something she doesn't which she'll love.

Do yourself a favour and never tell.

girls cant be trusted. they cant keep their mouths shut. they HAVE TO TELL SOMEONE. and then that person usually a girl will have to tell someone.

when they get angry......... the first thing they will do is blab your secret.

That applies to everyone not just girls. A promise to keep a secret relies on you feeling the same way when you first made the promise. If a girl told you wouldn't you find it hard to keep your mouth shut, especially if she becomes an ex? No.

[crimsontide]

keeep it a secret fo sho:)))

trust me on this one.... these women can be vindictive.... what they don't know can't hurt you

[BelowTheMean]

The best relationship is when the girl reveals everything and the guy keeps secrets, it's actually the opposite of what is considered true. It keeps the girl on their toes, keeps you feeling 1 step ahead and she will always sense that you know something she doesn't which she'll love.

Do yourself a favour and never tell.

That applies to everyone not just girls. A promise to keep a secret relies on you feeling the same way when you first made the promise. If a girl told you wouldn't you find it hard to keep your mouth shut, especially if she becomes an ex? No.

Yes, this is so true! Any girl that has options (is hot and/or young) will get bored and lose her attraction to you if you become an open book to her. Then she'll dump you or worse, cheat on you.

So let her try to peel information from you, but never give it up easily. Let her chase you and push the relationship forward even if you're ready for the next step. Never admit that you like her more than she likes you even if it's true. As soon as she gets the idea that she's better than you she'll be looking for the next guy.

As the guy if you want a serious long term relationship you're going to have to do most of the work until she's ready to settle down and have kids.

...of course, if you're her best option then I suppose you don't have to worry about these things, and can be as open as you feel like.

But I imagine guys that want CLL are the kind that also want to date up.

[Outgrown]

I would confess, real women would understand how fked up the world is.

[YellowSpike]

I would confess, real women would understand how fked up the world is.

A girl I work with shed some light on the truth about women not too long ago (she's very attractive and a bitch, granted, but she usually tells it like it is). I'll never forget it. She basically said something to the effect that women are never as loyal or committed as men. When a man falls in love, unless the women completely lets herself go (becomes obese, doesn't shave for a year, etc.), unless she cheats or really f*cks up somehow, he won't leave her. With women, you can be the best bf out there (provide for her, be loyal to her, stay in shape, etc.), and there's still a chance that she can stab you in the back for seemingly no reason (or for a very stupid reason). Maybe I'm still a bit bitter from a bad breakup I experienced years ago (so feel free to take this with a grain of salt), but from what I've observed with women and other relationships, I think this is kinda true.

And for this reason, I'm never telling a woman about LL.

[ouroboros]

Wow, this is a good read.....there is a lot of good information here.   
I have given the topic of "sharing absolutely everything with a woman" a lot of thought in the past and have concluded that like it or not, it will come back and bite you in the ass when you least expect it.

Here is something I figured out after years of observing women's behavior:

Ask a woman what kind of guy she likes and her "text book" answer is Tall, Dark and Handsome.

What does this really mean?  There is a ton of sub context in these three words, let me explain;

Tall = confident, good posture, strong presence, assertive, etc. 
     Most people assume that Tall=height only, but I'm sure you know tall guys that are wimpy,  and have trouble attracting women.  Likewise there are short guys that do very well with women because they have the real character traits that women are attracted to.

Dark = mysterious, slightly troubled, slightly hot tempered, shady past, etc.
     Again most people assume Dark=dark skin only.  Getting a "lovely" tan is not going to make you a better person, the most it will do is hide your skin blemishes better and make you a little healthier looking.

Handsome = well groomed, takes care of himself, dresses well, attention to detail, etc.
     Most people assume Handsome=genetic looks.   Looks do play a role in instant attraction to women, but it is the "overall appearance" of a man that is going to count the most in the end.  Women are always "sizing you" up and down for these indicators of alpha masculinity just the same as when we are constantly scanning women for indicators of fertility (breasts, hips, etc.)

Try to enhance yourself to meet as many of these requirements as you can to be more attractive to women.   God only knows that women are always enhancing themselves by wearing push up bras, those damn sexy yoga pants, red lipstick etc.

By becoming an open book with your girlfriend, you will lose your mysteriousness(Dark side) to them and become less attractive.   It's not that women are evil and shallow, it's just something that is deeply encoded in their female genetics to help them choose the better person to mate with so their offspring will have a better chance themselves.   

[ReadRothbard]

Wow, this is a good read.....there is a lot of good information here.   
I have given the topic of "sharing absolutely everything with a woman" a lot of thought in the past and have concluded that like it or not, it will come back and bite you in the ass when you least expect it.

Here is something I figured out after years of observing women's behavior:

Ask a woman what kind of guy she likes and her "text book" answer is Tall, Dark and Handsome.

What does this really mean?  There is a ton of sub context in these three words, let me explain;

Tall = confident, good posture, strong presence, assertive, etc. 
     Most people assume that Tall=height only, but I'm sure you know tall guys that are wimpy,  and have trouble attracting women.  Likewise there are short guys that do very well with women because they have the real character traits that women are attracted to.

Dark = mysterious, slightly troubled, slightly hot tempered, shady past, etc.
     Again most people assume Dark=dark skin only.  Getting a "lovely" tan is not going to make you a better person, the most it will do is hide your skin blemishes better and make you a little healthier looking.

Handsome = well groomed, takes care of himself, dresses well, attention to detail, etc.
     Most people assume Handsome=genetic looks.   Looks do play a role in instant attraction to women, but it is the "overall appearance" of a man that is going to count the most in the end.  Women are always "sizing you" up and down for these indicators of alpha masculinity just the same as when we are constantly scanning women for indicators of fertility (breasts, hips, etc.)

Try to enhance yourself to meet as many of these requirements as you can to be more attractive to women.   God only knows that women are always enhancing themselves by wearing push up bras, those damn sexy yoga pants, red lipstick etc.

By becoming an open book with your girlfriend, you will lose your mysteriousness(Dark side) to them and become less attractive.   It's not that women are evil and shallow, it's just something that is deeply encoded in their female genetics to help them choose the better person to mate with so their offspring will have a better chance themselves.

This^^^^^^^ so much

[tx1111]

If you dont want anyone to know or think of you as a freak and you cant keep your mouth shut about your operation, dont expect anyone you tell to be able to keep quiet.

Thats how I see it. I wont even tell my dog.


Edit: cheap ass russian phones make my spelling atrocious.

[Smallguy]

I want to add that you should be careful as to who you add on Facebook as well. Maybe you are able to keep your mouth shut but a former patient or someone in this business may have saw you done LL and know who you are. One of Sarin's patient added apothesis or the owner of old forum  on Facebook (this was revealed on this forum a year ago), and Apotheosis ended up telling every single person on that patient's friend list that he has gone to India and have done LL. That is his sick way of promoting LL at the expense of somebody's privacy. My Viet friend also got tricked. Someone posed as a pretty girl on FB. He added her and this chick or faker ended up telling all of his personal friends and relatives that he has done LL. Now he is so humiliated.