Topic: Let's all get down to Reality. (Read 39812 times)

Alittletooshort · « **Reply #31 on:** March 13, 2015, 02:56:08 PM »

Quote from: YellowSpike on March 09, 2015, 04:45:36 PM

As it relates to cosmetic surgery, even though we should have the ability to choose for ourselves, I still think that LL should be reserved for little people (being taller will benefit them in many practical ways, as well as social/dating/self-image) and men around 5'6" and below. Though, once again, I understand why average/even above average men may want LL (they felt "robbed" of height because their parents were tall, all their friends are giants, etc.). But if you're at least as tall or a little taller than most women/around the world average, I think maybe psychological help may benefit you a lot. Because you're at a height where, yeah, it would be nice to be taller, but you're not a midget and a lot of it may be in your head.

Why do you think it should be reserved for short people only?
I think everyone should have the right to decide weither they want it or not by them selves. Right know you are dicriminating taller people just because of their statue. Shouldn't this forum be about being open-minded towards everyone, since we all want to acciev the ultimate goal of getting taller?.

ItsMyLife · « **Reply #32 on:** March 13, 2015, 02:58:20 PM »

Quote from: Alittletooshort on March 13, 2015, 02:56:08 PM

Why do you think it should be reserved for short people only?
I think everyone should have the right to decide weither they want it or not by them selves. Right know you are dicriminating taller people just because of their statue. Shouldn't this forum be about being open-minded towards everyone, since we all want to acciev the ultimate goal of getting taller?.

I agree... its like a woman with big breast who wants larger..
I always believe in party autonomy
but I think people like endomoprhisme probably need psychological help before some physical surgery..
theres a chance he will never be satisfied even at 2 metres (there will alwys be someone taller than him)

Alittletooshort · « **Reply #33 on:** March 13, 2015, 05:42:12 PM »

Even it's the case and he would still suffer from height neurosis, it remains his choice. I just don't like the idea of discriminating people just because of their height, it seems like the polar opposite of this forum's spirit If you know what I mean.

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #34 on:** March 13, 2015, 06:42:44 PM »

I think anyone can get it. and I think anyone who wants surgery should do what they want.

but I also think that anyone who is average height should admit that they suffer from delusion if they think they are getting discrimination at average height.

its not about what someone can or cant do. its just admit the truth. it is annoying to hear people who are taller than average lying about how the average height in their country is like 2 meters tall, and how they keep saying they get discriminated against when they are average or above.

its not really that we are annoyed they want surgery, we are just annoyed because every time they "try to rationalize" why they should get LL they keep repeating these lies and we can all see its lies.

these people should just say.

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yes I have a mental condition called height neurosis, I am average height, but even though I don't get external discrimination because I am average I still feel in my heart wrongly/incorrectly that I do get discrimination because I suffer from delusion, I know it is a lie that I believe however if I become much taller than the average then even though im not addressing the real problem I will feel average when I am tall. the real problem is that I need to be much more than average because I don't feel powerful enough, and my mind being weak means that I need much more power than average to feel average in worth.

if they say that then everyone can hold hands under a rainbow clapping and laughing singing kumbaya

Alittletooshort · « **Reply #35 on:** March 13, 2015, 07:13:46 PM »

Lol no, it has nothing to do with having a lower self esteem than others or the need to feel superior.
If I remember correctly you want to lengthen more than 10cm's to get you above 180(above average), it seems pretty hypcritical to say something like that then

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YellowSpike · « **Reply #36 on:** March 13, 2015, 07:35:59 PM »

I agree that people should have the right to choose. If I wanted to have breasts coming out of my back, or turn myself into a woman, I should have the right to do so.

But, just like the sex change surgery (actually, I think the sex change surgery is the only thing that tops LL), LL is very extreme. This is a major surgery with lots of risks and a long road to recovery. This surgery was initially meant only for people with dwarfism, when you think about it. Men below 5'7" are the ones who are in for a rough life, and even successful ones (and there ARE plenty of them, and I don't mean just in Hollywood) will have to deal with heightist comments and rejection from women throughout their lives. If you're at least average height (which you are, EASILY), you actually don't know how good you have it. You may not be the tallest person around, your father may be taller than you, etc....but you aren't dealing with discrimination on a day to day basis (if you ever even do), and assuming you are well-rounded and have things going for you, women will be no problem either.

But hey, there are people on here who want to go from 6ft to 6'4". I just wonder where it all ends. I mean, if people really value being the tallest person around (wherever they go, in whatever country or planet they visit), then I guess bottoms up and go for it. But those people who want to hit 7ft or something are not going to reap benefits with women or in their social lives. This is why all doctors make us (even people who were super short, like me) all go through psychological evaluations. If anything, people may think even less of you, like "This guy wasn't even short, he didn't need this surgery." Me, at 166, there's no question I needed this surgery. But you guys who are something like 175ish and up...your lives can't be that bad, at least not based on your height.

I know several well-respected LL doctors who flat out told me, while they don't have a height cutoff, they cringe when men certain heights and up want this surgery. But I won't say their names.

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #37 on:** March 13, 2015, 07:36:27 PM »

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Lol no, it has nothing to do with having a lower self esteem than others or the need to feel superior.
If I remember correctly you want to lengthen more than 10cm's to get you above 180(above average), it seems pretty hypcritical to say something like that then .

incorrect. that is a very silly thing to say.

your argument makes no sense.

let me educate you.

it has nothing to do with how much a person wants to lengthen, and it has nothing to do with how tall the person is.

what matters is what the person believes at what height.

if a person is average height and believes he is discriminated against because of it then he suffers from delusion.

if the person is under height and believes he is discriminated against then he is not delusional.

if a person is above average height and believes he is discriminated against then he is delusional.

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it has nothing to do with having a lower self esteem than others or the need to feel superior.

I really dislike it when people don't listen to exactly what I say.

when a person is either average height or taller than average height and believes in the delusion that he is being discriminated against (externally) then it is because he has a belief that he is inadequate. and suffers from delusion. he because of his own mental perception of being inadequate , he then needs to be above average to feel adequate. this is lowered self esteem.

it has nothing to do with whether a person is short tall or average, it has to do with whether people suffer from delusion at any height.

your just being defensive because your probably average or taller than average.

if a tall 190cm man wants to get LL, but believes he does not get discriminated against then so be it,

but if a tall 190cm man wants LL, and believes he gets discriminated against then it is because he suffers from delusion, and the delusion is brought on by a low self worth, he is using height as an escape goat, he in truth needs to be above average to feel like he has a normal self worth.

in short its like the opposite to hypersensitisation. he needs extra value(height) to feel like everyone else does at average height.

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #38 on:** March 13, 2015, 07:40:12 PM »

as an example, I am 171, I am not short, I am in the category of if only I were taller.

with 1.5 inch lifts I didn't even think about height for 2 years, and still don't because the look in peoples eyes of discrimination or unfair treatment is gone.

I believe this shows a healthy understanding to reality.

at close to average height I felt no bias, no discrimination.

it has nothing to do with how tall someone is or how much they want to lengthen. it has to do with their own internal perception on how the world treats them.

at different heights people are treated differently. and healthy people will correctly interpret how people are treating them.

people who don't correctly interpret how others treat them do so for the reasons listed above.

Alittletooshort · « **Reply #39 on:** March 13, 2015, 07:48:19 PM »

Well I think we didn't really speak about the same things, I have never felt any kind of discrimination at all in my entire life nor did I have any disadvantage because of my statue. I want to do it for cosmetic reasons only I just prefere the looks of taller people, I also prefere girls above 175.
I'm not delusional at all, it just sounded like you disrespect average people to undergo this surgery.

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #40 on:** March 13, 2015, 07:56:05 PM »

I did disrespect all average people. specifically I disrespected all average people who suffer from delusion and believe(that because of their height) they are being discriminated against, when they have no external discrimination.

disrespect is a word so often used to describe the TRUTH if the truth hurts someone's feelings.

whether someone's feelings are hurt or not I don't care. I am just stating the truth. feelings are irrelevant.

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either way we both agree on the same point, and that is that it is not the height that determines whether a person has mental perception problems, it is their perception at whatever height they are which determines whether they have mental perception problems.

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so I think we can move on now as we are in agreement.

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the question now becomes do you have mental perception problems, and are you lying to yourself.

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #41 on:** March 13, 2015, 08:00:41 PM »

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I want to do it for cosmetic reasons only I just prefere the looks of taller people

well it would be to easy to work with this. but unless you agree to pay me 200$ per hour im not going to bother. lol

good luck with your surgery

ItsMyLife · « **Reply #42 on:** March 14, 2015, 07:09:30 AM »

FP: stupid to lengthen when above average height or average height......

the irony is, FP is doing two-stage lengthening. At the end of first stage, he is probably already average height!

And he is still going forward with second -stage......

Hypocrite.

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #43 on:** March 14, 2015, 07:16:02 AM »

your such an idiot itsmylife.

go back and read what I wrote instead of wasting everyone's time.

it has nothing to do with how tall someone is or how much they lengthen, it has to do with their perception they have at their given height.

ie. a short man should feel he has external discrimination because of his height

an average man should be aware he gets no external discrimination because of his height.

a tall man should be aware that he gets no external discrimination because of his height.

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my statement is that people who do not feel this way suffer from delusion. but trust your stupid brain to just categorize this into a discussion about peoples heights and not their perceptions at a given height.

its my life your stupid if you cant read. now stop wasting my time. I don't want to repeat myself a 3rd time.

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #44 on:** March 14, 2015, 07:17:20 AM »

this is a discussion about perception and delusion. it has nothing to do with height being bad across the board.

your just parroting the usual plebian argument people usually discuss which has no logical backing to it.

ItsMyLife · « **Reply #45 on:** March 14, 2015, 07:21:47 AM »

Quote from: ForcedPuberty on March 14, 2015, 07:16:02 AM

your such an idiot itsmylife.

go back and read what I wrote instead of wasting everyone's time.

it has nothing to do with how tall someone is or how much they lengthen, it has to do with their perception they have at their given height.

ie. a short man should feel he has external discrimination because of his height

an average man should be aware he gets no external discrimination because of his height.

a tall man should be aware that he gets no external discrimination because of his height.

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my statement is that people who do not feel this way suffer from delusion. but trust your stupid brain to just categorize this into a discussion about peoples heights and not their perceptions at a given height.

its my life your stupid if you cant read. now stop wasting my time. I don't want to repeat myself a 3rd time.

ur not good at expressing urself. not my fault. and the bolded part, it may be moderated out, don't scold people stupid and idiot. its as if bumlicker isn't enough and defamation of doctors

why shd I read what u wrote so carefully. I usually skim thru posts. u don't convey your thoughts very coherently most of the time anyway

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #46 on:** March 14, 2015, 07:33:25 AM »

I stated something 10 times, you then said I went around calling people stupid when I did not, in fact I didn't even address if average or tall people should get LL.

if someone states something 10 times and you still cant understand it, then that makes you an idiot.

the word idiot was invented to translate to someone that they lack the mental fortitude to comprehend.

if you would like I can refer you to a dictionary.

idiot: a person of low intelligence.
https://www.google.rs/#q=idiot+definition

stating something factual is not an insult. there is no other way to transcribe meaning to your actions than that word.

I can use it in a sentence:

its my life read something 10 times and then started making things up that are completely unrelated. it was the ramblings of an FLOWER.

nope it turns out that I cant actually tell you what you did if I just substitute words that don't actually have meaning to your actions. flower doesn't work.

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #47 on:** March 14, 2015, 07:36:01 AM »

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from its my life
FP: stupid to lengthen when above average height or average height......

the irony is, FP is doing two-stage lengthening. At the end of first stage, he is probably already average height!

And he is still going forward with second -stage......

Hypocrite.

ItsMyLife · « **Reply #48 on:** March 14, 2015, 08:44:29 AM »

Quote from: ForcedPuberty on March 14, 2015, 07:36:01 AM

FP: stupid to lengthen when above average height or average height......

Don't u understand? It is a summary of your conversation.... It is what you said, ie, that it is stupid to lengthen when above average.

Also isn't the above hypocritical? Which part of your brain cannot process that?

But, the insinuation that I am an idiot + I am stupid, has no proof. Its baseless.

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #49 on:** March 14, 2015, 08:57:07 AM »

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FP: stupid to lengthen when above average height or average height......

I must have typed like 3 thousand words.

please by all means show me where I stated that tall people should not get ll, in fact show me where I even addressed who should get ll, in fact show me where I magically called them stupid. you will find I did not.
IT IS ALL LIES YOU MADE UP, WE ARE NOT EVEN DISCUSSING WHO SHOULD GET LL, ITS ALL YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING. .

im not going to bother showing you(with allllll the quotes) me REPEATING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN that this has nothing to do with a persons height but rather peoples perceptions at any height, and wether it matches what is happening in reality.

in fact each time I speak to you, I restate this, and your still incapable of understanding it. I feel sorry for you.

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #50 on:** March 14, 2015, 09:05:07 AM »

I give up......... I knew some person like you would have no brain capacity. so I even specifically stated multiple times that it doesn't matter how tall someone is. that is not what is being discussed. but rather peoples perceptions and how it correlates to reality at different heights.

page 2 of this thread:

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From ForcedPuberty
i think anyone can get it(this surgery). and I think anyone who wants surgery should do what they want

my freaking god...... I even stated the complete opposite as well as outlined like 10 times what we are discussing....... and you still don't get it.

I give up. you have no brain power. you cant read. believe what you want. im out from this thread.

ItsMyLife · « **Reply #51 on:** March 14, 2015, 09:13:11 AM »

Quote from: ForcedPuberty on March 14, 2015, 09:05:07 AM

I give up......... I knew some person like you would have no brain capacity. so I even specifically stated multiple times that it doesn't matter how tall someone is. that is not what is being discussed. but rather peoples perceptions and how it correlates to reality at different heights.

page 2 of this thread:
my freaking god...... I even stated the complete opposite as well as outlined like 10 times what we are discussing....... and you still don't get it.

I give up. you have no brain power. you cant read. believe what you want. im out from this thread.

are you alright? I must admit I am pretty stoned out by anarex... incapable of feeling angry... lol but u seem mad.
and the bolded parts are scolding and very rude. it is breaking forum rules again... ur so rude.

ItsMyLife · « **Reply #52 on:** March 14, 2015, 09:14:57 AM »

every doctor's rule of thumb: do no harm
I hope you don't get high blood pressure or an acute myocardial infarction.. or an aneurysm which is gonna be very deadly since ur probably on blood thinners... even without blood thinners, an AAA is deadly. by the time ur in the ambulance, ur already dead. pls get a hold of urself this isn't a serious discussion at all

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #53 on:** March 14, 2015, 09:17:55 AM »

forgive me..... your brain power needs something simpler.

ok then.

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what you are saying happened: (which is rubbish) (your made up quote attempting to "summarize" me)

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FP: stupid to lengthen when above average height or average height......

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and now for reality: my actual quote from page 2:

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From ForcedPuberty
i think anyone can get it(this surgery). and I think anyone who wants surgery should do what they want

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do you see the contradiction.

ItsMyLife · « **Reply #54 on:** March 14, 2015, 10:14:03 AM »

you need a tranquilizer shot :O

ItsMyLife · « **Reply #55 on:** March 14, 2015, 10:15:55 AM »

Quote from: ForcedPuberty on March 14, 2015, 09:17:55 AM

forgive me..... your brain power needs something simpler.

ok then.

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what you are saying happened: (which is rubbish) (your made up quote attempting to "summarize" me)

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and now for reality: my actual quote from page 2:
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do you see the contradiction.

yup I saw your point much earlier. its probably your excellent communication skills and high IQ, that's why II didn't read you clearly on a cursory glance (yes, I read documents very quickly)

if your IQ or intelligence were that high, it would have shown itself, and there wouldn't be any need to keep reiterating about you being a prodigy, and all... unfortunately maybe I am too dumb to see any speck of coherent intelligence....

it appears that my thread - why are the people here so smart/good-looking/etc ..... is it all just self-praise?

PANDA:BEAR.. · « **Reply #56 on:** March 14, 2015, 10:17:47 AM »

Quote from: ForcedPuberty on March 13, 2015, 07:40:12 PM

as an example, I am 171, I am not short, I am in the category of if only I were taller.

with 1.5 inch lifts I didn't even think about height for 2 years, and still don't because the look in peoples eyes of discrimination or unfair treatment is gone.

I believe this shows a healthy understanding to reality.

at close to average height I felt no bias, no discrimination.

it has nothing to do with how tall someone is or how much they want to lengthen. it has to do with their own internal perception on how the world treats them.

at different heights people are treated differently. and healthy people will correctly interpret how people are treating them.

people who don't correctly interpret how others treat them do so for the reasons listed above.

I'm sorry 171.. Is short in my country!!!!

ItsMyLife · « **Reply #57 on:** March 14, 2015, 10:18:46 AM »

171 = tom cruise height with lifts = people said hes short at 171.

PANDA:BEAR.. · « **Reply #58 on:** March 14, 2015, 10:20:27 AM »

Panda ... Knows :-)

PANDA:BEAR.. · « **Reply #59 on:** March 14, 2015, 10:24:16 AM »

Forced puberty ..said .. 171 is not short... It's short to very short in holland!! Panda :-)

PANDA:BEAR.. · « **Reply #60 on:** March 14, 2015, 10:31:11 AM »

This me ... Look at this !!

KrP1 · « **Reply #61 on:** March 14, 2015, 10:52:49 AM »

Quote from: ItsMyLife on March 14, 2015, 10:18:46 AM

171 = tom cruise height with lifts = people said hes short at 171.

He is not 171 with lifts. He is 170 without lifts.

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