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[YellowSpike]

You are correct sir. I found a study a while ago that polled college girls on "average attractiveness score based on height". 5' 11" to 6' had the highest average score, while below 5' 7" and above 6' 5" were relatIvely low. Let's not forget though, that the 6 5" guys are rare, and the 20% of girls who want them will be like leeches.

Exactly as I thought. And we have to account for the fact that, even though girls SAY 5'11-6' is most attractive, they can't tell visual height down to the exact inch (unless they themselves are very tall women), so even 5'9-5'10 guys can almost be in this "ideal" range. It's when you're under 5'7" (especially if you're stocky/fat/too built) that you start to appear very short. So I'm very happy at 5'8", even if I'm a pinch under, because I feel like in more of "safe" range (especially considering the other things I have going for me).

[Uppland]

the 6 5" guys are rare, and the 20% of girls who want them will be like leeches.

You're onto something, while I don't think most girls mind a guy being way tall, it's only a fetisch for some.

[YellowSpike]

You're onto something, while I don't think most girls mind a guy being way tall, it's only a fetisch for some.

Women who go after super tall men are called "Size Queens," and trust me, they definitely exist. I've known a few, and they are typically some of the shallowest women you could possibly meet. Some very hot, yes...but in the long-run, not marriage material, no.

[NewHeights]

You're onto something, while I don't think most girls mind a guy being way tall, it's only a fetisch for some.

This is a freak confidence that you said tall guy fetish, but I was actually thinking right after my post that I wonder if and girls have a "short guy fetish"

[NewHeights]

Women who go after super tall men are called "Size Queens," and trust me, they definitely exist. I've known a few, and they are typically some of the shallowest women you could possibly meet. Some very hot, yes...but in the long-run, not marriage material, no.

Once again, you hit the nail on the leg Yellow. Any girls who ONLY WANT a guy who is 6ft and up are jackasses

[w1988]

Height is the most important physical caracteristic for woman.

I think we're living in different worlds bro, facial aesthetics is the most important. Only ugly guys would say otherwise.

[w1988]

who would date a girl first?

1-brad pitt face with 5foot height.
2-adrien brody ( ugly man with 6foot 1)

END.

5ft would be a midget, bad example. This forum is also almost entirely CLL rather than LL for necessity/disability.

If he was say 5'6 or 5'7 then definitely the brad lookalike over adrien brody. I'm 5'6" handsome as fk and I take the attention of girls from tall guys all the time especially when tall guy is ugly and sometimes even when they are average looking. I've never chatted up a girl and then lost her to a tall guy that wasn't facially attractive.

[KrP1]

I think we're living in different worlds bro, facial aesthetics is the most important. Only ugly guys would say otherwise.

haha , im not ugly bro, definitely it is when you are very short!

[KrP1]

5ft would be a midget, bad example. This forum is also almost entirely CLL rather than LL for necessity/disability.

If he was say 5'6 or 5'7 then definitely the brad lookalike over adrien brody. I'm 5'6" handsome as fk and I take the attention of girls from tall guys all the time especially when tall guy is ugly and sometimes even when they are average looking. I've never chatted up a girl and then lost her to a tall guy that wasn't facially attractive.

you are handsome as fk? this forum is full of handsome people with 140 IQ

[YellowSpike]

5ft would be a midget, bad example. This forum is also almost entirely CLL rather than LL for necessity/disability.

If he was say 5'6 or 5'7 then definitely the brad lookalike over adrien brody. I'm 5'6" handsome as fk and I take the attention of girls from tall guys all the time especially when tall guy is ugly and sometimes even when they are average looking. I've never chatted up a girl and then lost her to a tall guy that wasn't facially attractive.

I somewhat agree with you. I used to be a little over 5'5"...and I've been told how handsome I am my entire life. I've even done some facial modeling (and have been told I could model if I weren't so short). My facial aesthetics are what saved me and still allowed me to get good looking girls ,but I still felt that I had to work harder. Perhaps it was more of a confidence issue with me, but when I was in a group of guys competing for women, I felt like my height "ruined" me in a lot of cases. I think if I were at least 5'7" I would have cared a lot less, because you're still as tall as most women...but I was very short. My online dating profiles got tons of views (they saw my face/default pic first), but only a few attractive women would actually message me, I can only assume because of my height (because my profiles were kick-ass and well written with great/varied pictures).

I think now with my facial aesthetics and extra height, i won't have any problems.

I think it goes like this:

If you're at least 5'7" --> Facial Aesthetics > Height
If you're under 5'7" --> Height > Facial Aesthetics
If you're 5'10+ with Facial Aesthetics --> God-mode activated

[KrP1]

I somewhat agree with you. I used to be a little over 5'5"...and I've been told how handsome I am my entire life. I've even done some facial modeling (and have been told I could model if I weren't so short). My facial aesthetics are what saved me and still allowed me to get good looking girls ,but I still felt that I had to work harder. Perhaps it was more of a confidence issue with me, but when I was in a group of guys competing for women, I felt like my height "ruined" me in a lot of cases. I think if I were at least 5'7" I would have cared a lot less, because you're still as tall as most women...but I was very short. My online dating profiles got tons of views (they saw my face/default pic first), but only a few attractive women would actually message me, I can only assume because of my height (because my profiles were kick-ass and well written with great/varied pictures).

I think now with my facial aesthetics and extra height, i won't have any problems.

yeah man, now at your height you are taller than most girls, you arent going to have any problem

[KrP1]

I think it goes like this:

If you're at least 5'7" --> Facial Aesthetics > Height
If you're under 5'7" --> Height > Facial Aesthetics
If you're 5'10+ with Facial Aesthetics --> God-mode activated

i agree with you

[YellowSpike]

i agree with you

Haha yeah, this is always how I felt, and what I've observed. The biggest player I knew in college was 5'7", maybe 5'7.5", but he had super great facial aesthetics. He got girls like there was no tomorrow. The other player in our crew was 6'2", good looking as well, but not as good looking as the 5'7" guy. The two of them took most of the girls. But then again, back then, I didn't even know how to talk to girls, and also didn't hit my "stride" yet.

yeah man, now at your height you are taller than most girls, you arent going to have any problem

I hope so man! Now I think any issues that I may have are just in my head. I'm not THAT short anymore.

[KrP1]

Haha yeah, this is always how I felt, and what I've observed. The biggest player I knew in college was 5'7", maybe 5'7.5", but he had super great facial aesthetics. He got girls like there was no tomorrow. The other player in our crew was 6'2", good looking as well, but not as good looking as the 5'7" guy. The two of them took most of the girls. But then again, back then, I didn't even know how to talk to girls, and also didn't hit my "stride" yet.

I hope so man! Now I think any issues that I may have are just in my head. I'm not THAT short anymore.

yeah man, now at your height and with great facial aesthetics the only you need is self esteem and talk to girls being sympathetic , you're going to be a heartbreaker bro!

[w1988]

If you're at least 5'7" --> Facial Aesthetics > Height
If you're under 5'7" --> Height > Facial Aesthetics
If you're 5'10+ with Facial Aesthetics --> God-mode activated

I think you nailed it.

you are handsome as fk? this forum is full of handsome people with 140 IQ

Well I've always been told that I am handsome/cute and the fact that I still get attractive girls at 168cm is a testament to that (I've always only dated sun-kissed cute/hot blondes). I've posted pics on bodybuilding forum of my before/after and most comments were about my facial aesthetics rather than the weight loss. Also I dress most days of the week like a come out of a GQ magazine, my avatar is my pic btw. I might have exaggerated on the 'handsome as fk' maybe I'm an 8.5/10 facially.

[YellowSpike]

I think you nailed it.
Well I've always been told that I am handsome/cute and the fact that I still get attractive girls at 168cm is a testament to that (I've always only dated sun-kissed cute/hot blondes). I've posted pics on bodybuilding of my before/after and most comments were about my facial aesthetics rather than the weight loss. Also I dress most days of the week like a come out of a GQ magazine, my avatar is my pic btw. I might have exaggerated on the 'handsome as fk' maybe I'm an 8.5/10 facially.

Yeah I'm pretty sure my little chart is very accurate. It's what I've seen an observed over the years. 5'6" isn't too terrible, but I was closer to 5'5", and thanks to my facial aesthetics, I still did pretty well with getting attractive women. Ironically, I tended to do better with women who were taller than me (they would always ask me out first).

I think overall, facial aesthetics is a slightly more powerful weapon than height...but if you're under 5'7", that's when you start having to work harder and your facial aesthetics won't help as much.

Another thing I hated about being short, handsome and built? Gay men checking me out...EVERYWHERE I went. I have no problem with gay men, or even them checking me out (I take it as compliment). But it was like "damn, I wish this many hot girls would eye f#ck me like that." Short gay men I would say have almost no height discrimination to worry about as far as dating is concerned.

[ecb1992]

Yeah I'm pretty sure my little chart is very accurate. It's what I've seen an observed over the years. 5'6" isn't too terrible, but I was closer to 5'5", and thanks to my facial aesthetics, I still did pretty well with getting attractive women. Ironically, I tended to do better with women who were taller than me (they would always ask me out first).

I think overall, facial aesthetics is a slightly more powerful weapon than height...but if you're under 5'7", that's when you start having to work harder and your facial aesthetics won't help as much.

Another thing I hated about being short, handsome and built? Gay men checking me out...EVERYWHERE I went. I have no problem with gay men, or even them checking me out (I take it as compliment). But it was like "damn, I wish this many hot girls would eye f#ck me like that." Short gay men I would say have almost no height discrimination to worry about as far as dating is concerned.

Hey YellowSpike,

After reading a lot of your post, I can relate on so many levels (I think the same way you do lol). Your observations are very true about height and reaching the 5'8 mark. My starting height is just like yours 166cm at night after a long day, sometimes 166.5 but never lower. I hope to do 6.5-7 cm to on tibia to be a strong 5'8 and that should be good enough as I too have a lot going for me. I think being 5'8 plus with longer legs, will give off the illusion of being average. Your chart is spot on!

[YellowSpike]

Hey YellowSpike,

After reading a lot of your post, I can relate on so many levels (I think the same way you do lol). Your observations are very true about height and reaching the 5'8 mark. My starting height is just like yours 166cm at night after a long day, sometimes 166.5 but never lower. I hope to do 6.5-7 cm to on tibia to be a strong 5'8 and that should be good enough as I too have a lot going for me. I think being 5'8 plus with longer legs, will give off the illusion of being average. Your chart is spot on!

Thanks man! I'd like to think I'm level-headed (most of the time )

I don't know my exact morning and evening heights, and I'd rather not lol. One doctor measured my height around 166.5+, but that was around 10am (though I had been up for hours already at that point). Dr. Guichet and another doctor both measured me at 166cm (when standing perfectly straight) around 2pm and 5:30pm respectively (I think we hit our "night height" after being awake for like 4-5 hours, I believe, I could be wrong. Sad how I'm obsessing over this lol).

So I think I'm just about tall enough now where I can comfortably say I'm 5'8". I'm also built, but thin (I always made sure NEVER to get too big, it makes you look shorter, and it's obvious you'e compensating), and I try to wear clothes are well fitted to give the illusion of more height.

[ecb1992]

Thanks man! I'd like to think I'm level-headed (most of the time )

I don't know my exact morning and evening heights, and I'd rather not lol. One doctor measured my height around 166.5+, but that was around 10am (though I had been up for hours already at that point). Dr. Guichet and another doctor both measured me at 166cm (when standing perfectly straight) around 2pm and 5:30pm respectively (I think we hit our "night height" after being awake for like 4-5 hours, I believe, I could be wrong. Sad how I'm obsessing over this lol).

So I think I'm just about tall enough now where I can comfortably say I'm 5'8". I'm also built, but thin (I always made sure NEVER to get too big, it makes you look shorter, and it's obvious you'e compensating), and I try to wear clothes are well fitted to give the illusion of more height.

Yes! I also wear fitted clothing and I'm always looking to stay on slim/cut side as getting to big really does make you look smaller.The only reason I know my morning height and night height is because I have a stadiometer lol. In a relaxed position I'm 166-166.5 night and if i'm well hydrated and not very active during the day i can measure easily over 167. Morning height is about 168.3 on the dot but quickly goes down within the first hour. I hope hitting 5'8 feels good, reading your diary gives me that much more hope! I get caught up in the numbers game too but my goal is no doubt over 173 (or 172.7) 

[YellowSpike]

Yes! I also wear fitted clothing and I'm always looking to stay on slim/cut side as getting to big really does make you look smaller.The only reason I know my morning height and night height is because I have a stadiometer lol. In a relaxed position I'm 166-166.5 night and if i'm well hydrated and not very active during the day i can measure easily over 167. Morning height is about 168.3 on the dot but quickly goes down within the first hour. I hope hitting 5'8 feels good, reading your diary gives me that much more hope! I get caught up in the numbers game too but my goal is no doubt over 173 (or 172.7) 

lol well it sounds like you have a slightly better starting height than I did! I just know I was about 5'5 1/3" at night (166cm). I've never measured myself right after waking up in the morning, and most of the time when I have an early doctor's appointment, I've already been up for at least 2 or so hours. So I'm guessing at best I might be 167.5 in the morning.

And you mean 172.72cm I think you'll be fine. You have a better starting height than I do. I'm going to have to take up yoga and gluco supplements for the rest after I'm recovered lol

[ecb1992]

lol well it sounds like you have a slightly better starting height than I did! I just know I was about 5'5 1/3" at night (166cm). I've never measured myself right after waking up in the morning, and most of the time when I have an early doctor's appointment, I've already been up for at least 2 or so hours. So I'm guessing at best I might be 167.5 in the morning.

And you mean 172.72cm I think you'll be fine. You have a better starting height than I do. I'm going to have to take up yoga and gluco supplements for the rest after I'm recovered lol

That's something i really want to do after LL, even if the gain is just 1 cm doing yoga and taking glucosamine seems legit. My posture isn't the best so more then 172.72 is a bonus  . (175 cm would be so cool if you could gain 2cm+ from yoga and gluco). Really looking forward to reading your post after LL at 5'8 and the difference it will make. Stay strong bro!

[ItsMyLife]

That's something i really want to do after LL, even if the gain is just 1 cm doing yoga and taking glucosamine seems legit. My posture isn't the best so more then 172.72 is a bonus  . (175 cm would be so cool if you could gain 2cm+ from yoga and gluco). Really looking forward to reading your post after LL at 5'8 and the difference it will make. Stay strong bro!

I gained 1 cm from yoga and the dynamic height increase programme (permanent). I also grew 0.5 cm using glucosamine supplements.

Please don't hurt your body trying higher than 1500 mg daily. I tried up to 10000 mg daily putting me at higher risk of Diabetes or gastrointestinal side effects. It doesn't affect the result.

I tried combining  with HA, but the result diminished.. Surprise surprise..

[ecb1992]

I gained 1 cm from yoga and the dynamic height increase programme (permanent). I also grew 0.5 cm using glucosamine supplements.

Please don't hurt your body trying higher than 1500 mg daily. I tried up to 10000 mg daily putting me at higher risk of Diabetes or gastrointestinal side effects. It doesn't affect the result.

I tried combining  with HA, but the result diminished.. Surprise surprise..

Any good book/pdfs on yoga that you can recommend? How about pilates? I'm going to check out the dynamic height increase program, Thank you Itsmylife!

[ItsMyLife]

Thanks man! I'd like to think I'm level-headed (most of the time )

I don't know my exact morning and evening heights, and I'd rather not lol. One doctor measured my height around 166.5+, but that was around 10am (though I had been up for hours already at that point). Dr. Guichet and another doctor both measured me at 166cm (when standing perfectly straight) around 2pm and 5:30pm respectively (I think we hit our "night height" after being awake for like 4-5 hours, I believe, I could be wrong. Sad how I'm obsessing over this lol).

So I think I'm just about tall enough now where I can comfortably say I'm 5'8". I'm also built, but thin (I always made sure NEVER to get too big, it makes you look shorter, and it's obvious you'e compensating), and I try to wear clothes are well fitted to give the illusion of more height.

yellow, you are correct. But one way you can maintain your morning height for a longer time is to sit slouched (130 degree is best, its proven). That reduces the intervertebral tension. I also always lie down flat on my bed or anywhere I can. It will give you a temporary 5-10 mm boost

[meursault]

Well, the topic at hand taken literally is very true, I wouldn't say height is the MOST important for dating. And probably not the MOST important for short term relationships either.

But height is of even more importance than usual with short term 'hookup' relationships, because ovulating women are shown to have a larger preference for taller males than non-ovulating ones. So essentially when she's horny she'll pick the taller male, probably because height is a very primitive and visceral thing, and it refutes the thought that women who like tall males are just doing so to 'keep appearances' so to speak.

[heightangel]

Well, the topic at hand taken literally is very true, I wouldn't say height is the MOST important for dating. And probably not the MOST important for short term relationships either.

But height is of even more importance than usual with short term 'hookup' relationships, because ovulating women are shown to have a larger preference for taller males than non-ovulating ones. So essentially when she's horny she'll pick the taller male, probably because height is a very primitive and visceral thing, and it refutes the thought that women who like tall males are just doing so to 'keep appearances' so to speak.

This is gospel for all of us, bro

[meursault]

Obviously you're trying to trash what I wrote, but i've ran into multiple posts on here claiming that height is cultural rather than instinctual. And that 'height culture' is what has caused our woes and if it didn't exist everything would just be fine and dandy for us. So it is indeed gospel for some here. As a short male i'm not looking to cope about my height, i'm just looking for the facts.

[ItsMyLife]

Obviously you're trying to trash what I wrote, but i've ran into multiple posts on here claiming that height is cultural rather than instinctual. And that 'height culture' is what has caused our woes and if it didn't exist everything would just be fine and dandy for us. So it is indeed gospel for some here. As a short male i'm not looking to cope about my height, i'm just looking for the facts.

In Asia there is this height thing going on, but I have rarely heard of height discrimination, except in dating. It seems most girls want guys above 170. Some 180 in Korea. The work-place discrimination.. I have never heard but it seems a country's leader is almost always tall?