Topic: Height is NOT the most important thing when dating girls (Read 26045 times)

NewHeights · « **on:** February 22, 2015, 04:57:06 PM »

I am a bit saddened and disturbed by the post "Height is the most important thing when dating girls" (because so many people actually believe this), so much so that I am making a counter-post.

First I want to say that I'm actually starting to think myself out of height neurosis (I thought myself into it, so I'm fighting to think myself out of it. Doing an "ok" job).

Anyway..... The main issue I have with this post is the failure to make the distinction between attraction and dating. When a girls falls for you (which I consider "dating"), she will care little about you being tall (as long as you are an inch or two taller than her, which should leave most of us with a huge DATING pool). She will care more about your kindness, personality, intellect, smile, manners, and compatibility.

And like I've always said "I would love to be 5' 10", because any girls who only want a 6 footer are jackasses. being 5' 10" would a allow me to avoid such girls".

Would you guys want to date a girl who cared more about height than anything else? That's the true question.

NewHeights · « **Reply #1 on:** February 22, 2015, 05:18:51 PM »

I forgot to add something. I think many people have distorted ideas of what "height is important" means.

In a general sense, yes height is somewhat (maybe very) important in dating ---> "NewHeights, doesn't that mean I have to be 6' 2" otherwise girls won't date me?"...."Haha, no silly, it means that you have to be their height or taller. That's what most girls mean when they say "height is important""

KrP1 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2015, 05:44:06 PM »

why i say that is the most important thing?

you need to be at least as tall as the girl, if not in most cases you are excluded.
beauty is something individual, you could be ugly for one girl and beautifull for another, but if you are shorter than those girls you will be almost always rejected , because the thinking that the girl needs to be smaller than the boy is something universal.

w1988 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2015, 06:08:55 PM »

Everything is important. Facial aesthetics, body, height, money and personality/character.

All of those factors can also be requirements. There are girls that won't date a fat guy, a deadbeat, a dunce, an ugly dude or a short guy. If you're tall but poor then you're out, if you're short but handsome then you're out, if you're tall & handsome but fat and poor then you're out, etc. The factors can also shift; if you've got a busted up face then being 6'2" can make you equivalent to an average looking 5'9" guy. Also there is different requirements for short-term and long-term intensions; a girl isn't going to care if you're unemployed if she's just looking for a ONS or one-week stand.

I hope those that think that height is the most important thing doesn't pass the psychological test for CLL because they will be very disappointed after getting the height.

Also I wanted to point out that every girl I've ever dated have been the type that were only looking for tall guys (6ft+).

KrP1 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 22, 2015, 06:12:07 PM »

w1988 what is your motivation to do CLL?

w1988 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2015, 06:27:47 PM »

Quote from: KirP1 on February 22, 2015, 06:12:07 PM

w1988 what is your motivation to do CLL?

Many reasons, I'm figuring out if I shouldn't mention some of them when the doc asks me.

Main reason is to fit better socially and in business, 5'6" is unfortunately just short enough to stand out (in a bad way) and if I was 5'9" I wouldn't have even considered CLL. I know I might sound boastful but I do have very good facial aesthetics and I dislike how my height can sometimes write that off. Third reason is that I'm a bit of a fashionisto and being 5'6" makes it difficult to look good; I have to get every pair of pants and blazers to be shorted up by a tailor even after buying them in short. I know that after CLL I'll still have to get the blazers shortened but that will actually make me look taller. Fourth is to get rid of some past regret; when I was growing up I avoided all physical activity, I was the type that begged my parents for a note to get out of PE and even got doctors to give notes to get me out of mile runs — I'm convinced that if I was physically active like everyone else then I would have got those extra 3 inches. Actually when I was a toddler the doctor said that I should be 6'1" so that also adds to my belief! Fifth reason is to perhaps do even better with attraction, but I'm looking at any gains to be from increased confidence rather than actually being taller.

KrP1 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2015, 07:19:11 PM »

Quote from: w1988 on February 22, 2015, 06:27:47 PM

Many reasons, I'm figuring out if I shouldn't mention some of them when the doc asks me.

Main reason is to fit better socially and in business, 5'6" is unfortunately just short enough to stand out (in a bad way) and if I was 5'9" I wouldn't have even considered CLL. I know I might sound boastful but I do have very good facial aesthetics and I dislike how my height can sometimes write that off. Third reason is that I'm a bit of a fashionisto and being 5'6" makes it difficult to look good; I have to get every pair of pants and blazers to be shorted up by a tailor even after buying them in short. I know that after CLL I'll still have to get the blazers shortened but that will actually make me look taller. Fourth is to get rid of some past regret; when I was growing up I avoided all physical activity, I was the type that begged my parents for a note to get out of PE and even got doctors to give notes to get me out of mile runs — I'm convinced that if I was physically active like everyone else then I would have got those extra 3 inches. Actually when I was a toddler the doctor said that I should be 6'1" so that also adds to my belief! Fifth reason is to perhaps do even better with attraction, but I'm looking at any gains to be from increased confidence rather than actually being taller.

Height is not the problem if you cant be sucesfull in busines. Lots of short mans are. Intelligence and creativity are. So dont expect this to get better when you do CLL.
you are saying that your height write off your facial asthetics and you would do better with atraction so definetly you know that height is a really important think to atract womans.
another thing is because you need to short up your trousers haha thats a good one bro. Its a really important thing in life.
The last is because your doctor told you that you should be 6'1?

Hope people that thinks like that doesnt do CLL because they will regret

ItsMyLife · « **Reply #7 on:** February 22, 2015, 07:20:47 PM »

I think:

1. Height is the most important thing when you create a first impression with a guy or a girl, boss or colleague. Beyond that, personality counts. Facial aesthetics come into play. Confidence matters.

2. Height might not be the most important thing during a first-impression for SOME people, guys and girls. They might be watching out for, for instance, social signs that you are confident/not confident, etc.

ItsMyLife · « **Reply #8 on:** February 22, 2015, 07:23:29 PM »

I don't think it is so easy to regret doing LL insofar as you really want the height (and it has been a persistent desire for some time), and you do not have BDD (eg, I am six feet and I want to be 200 cm tall). People with BDD, they never get enough, 10 cm? No its not enough. Lengthen femurs10 cm. Then? Arm lengthening, penis lengthening, clavicle lengthening. Finally? Digit lengthening.

Shor7Guy · « **Reply #9 on:** February 23, 2015, 03:05:50 PM »

you underrate how shallow girls are, men always look for good stuff in females to like, females always look for deal breakers in men.

KrP1 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 23, 2015, 03:23:37 PM »

NewHeights · « **Reply #11 on:** February 23, 2015, 03:34:29 PM »

Quote from: Shor7Guy on February 23, 2015, 03:05:50 PM

you underrate how shallow girls are, men always look for good stuff in females to like, females always look for deal breakers in men.

Many girls are shallow, as are many men. The problem is that we use generalizations too much. Also guys, don't elevate the woman too much. Remember, the grass is always greener the other side (meaning women have insecurities and are often never asked out or approached by men)

Instead of us being meek little men who are so scared of what woman want, we should use our advantage of being men in that we can shop for women. If we don't have enough qualifies (currency) for a certain woman, we can just approach another.

Believe me, there are tons of woman who are never shopped on and would fall for someone just because he had the courage to shop.

5% of short guys are more successful than 95% of tall guys because they have this courage.

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #12 on:** February 23, 2015, 05:39:38 PM »

all you did was state a bunch of qualities that women look for when choosing a mate and then said............ see girls like these qualities also therefore height doesn't matter, and by that I mean height is not the most important qualiy.

excuse me dudes, but seriously you do realize that this does not in any way shape or form illustrate a structured argument based on logic? yes?

height is the most important quality that women look for. and my argument is based on this simple fact. if a man had every single characteristic to perfection and yet was really short compared to the average, 9 out of 10 girls would not even bother to get to know him sexually to start with let alone consider him husband material. any other characteristic out there is just a point adder,

if height is bad the girl does not even bother with your other characteristics 99% of the time. if all your other characteristics are bad they don't subtract points from your other characteristics like height does. height cancels the points you get from your other characteristics if it is deficient making it the most important characteristic.

as an example to illustrate my point.

2 people, both have every single characteristic as perfect in the eyes of women.

the first man though has a 1 inch penis.

the second man is a midget.

no girl would give a fk about the midget, however a great many women will still date the man with a 1 inch penis who has everything else perfect.

penis size being 1 inch, is about as bad as characteristics giving negative points can get, in my opinion. so I think my example proves a valid point. height is the most important characteristic. because height destroys the other characteristic points.

NewHeights · « **Reply #13 on:** February 23, 2015, 05:54:28 PM »

Quote from: ForcedPuberty on February 23, 2015, 05:39:38 PM

all you did was state a bunch of qualities that women look for when choosing a mate and then said............ see girls like these qualities also therefore height doesn't matter, and by that I mean height is not the most important qualiy.

excuse me dudes, but seriously you do realize that this does not in any way shape or form illustrate a structured argument based on logic? yes?

height is the most important quality that women look for. and my argument is based on this simple fact. if a man had every single characteristic to perfection and yet was really short compared to the average, 9 out of 10 girls would not even bother to get to know him sexually to start with let alone consider him husband material. any other characteristic out there is just a point adder,

if height is bad the girl does not even bother with your other characteristics 99% of the time. if all your other characteristics are bad they don't subtract points from your other characteristics like height does. height cancels the points you get from your other characteristics if it is deficient making it the most important characteristic.

as an example to illustrate my point.

2 people, both have every single characteristic as perfect in the eyes of women.

the first man though has a 1 inch penis.

the second man is a midget.

no girl would give a fk about the midget, however a great many women will still date the man with a 1 inch penis who has everything else perfect.

penis size being 1 inch, is about as bad as characteristics giving negative points can get, in my opinion. so I think my example proves a valid point. height is the most important characteristic. because height destroys the other characteristic points.

I disagree with your assertions. First of all, I made another post a while ago that included a study which found that shoulder to hip ratio, height, and penis size are all significant factors in male physical attractiveness, with penis size and height being tied and shoulder to hip ratio being the most important.

Height is important in that the guy should be taller than the girl. People distort what "height is important" means. Remember, the study found that shoulders are more important.

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #14 on:** February 23, 2015, 06:02:18 PM »

Quote

I disagree with your assertions. First of all, I made another post a while ago that included a study which found that shoulder to hip ratio, height, and penis size are all significant factors in male physical attractiveness, with penis size and height being tied and shoulder to hip ratio being the most important.

Height is important in that the guy should be taller than the girl. People distort what "height is important" means. Remember, the study found that shoulders are more important.

oh goodie. a discussion

since all the other characteristics (not in bold) are generalizations I cant really discuss them.

a midget with perfect shoulder to hip ratio and all other characteristics(being perfect) vs a perfect man with terrible/worst shoulder to hip ratio imaginable.

nope the perfect man with terrible shoulder to hip ratio will still get massively more women than the midget with perfect shoulder to hip ratios.

your shoulder to hip ratio theory is wrong. height trumps it.

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2015, 06:05:32 PM »

remember the topic now.

we are discussing the single most important characteristic for mate selection.

NewHeights · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2015, 06:08:44 PM »

Quote from: ForcedPuberty on February 23, 2015, 06:02:18 PM

oh goodie. a discussion

since all the other characteristics (not in bold) are generalizations I cant really discuss them.

a midget with perfect shoulder to hip ratio and all other characteristics(being perfect) vs a perfect man with terrible/worst shoulder to hip ratio imaginable.

nope the perfect man with terrible shoulder to hip ratio will still get massively more women than the midget with perfect shoulder to hip ratios.

your shoulder to hip ratio theory is wrong. height trumps it.

The shoulder to hip ratio is meant to be viewed in the realm of normalcy. Using the example of a midget falls out of that realm.

Moose · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2015, 06:13:25 PM »

A girl wont really be able to tell the difference between 5'10 and 6'0. When you hear them talk about minimum 5'10 they are basically saying minimum 5'9 and if you are 5'8 they still wont tell the difference as long as they are shorter. Personally i think the perfect male height is 5'9. Not tall to be annoyed consistently by bat crazy girls and not short enough to be disrespected.

NewHeights · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2015, 06:16:57 PM »

Quote from: Moose on February 23, 2015, 06:13:25 PM

A girl wont really be able to tell the difference between 5'10 and 6'0. When you hear them talk about minimum 5'10 they are basically saying minimum 5'9 and if you are 5'8 they still wont tell the difference as long as they are shorter. Personally i think the perfect male height is 5'9. Not tall to be annoyed consistently by bat crap crazy girls and not short enough to be disrespected.

I generally agree with you Moose, but I feel the perfect number is 5 11"

ForcedPuberty · « **Reply #19 on:** February 23, 2015, 06:18:57 PM »

well I don't think I should argue it anymore.

who do you think will have the most percentage of the population(population in terms of girls).

a man who is perfect but is the 1st percentile for shoulder to hip ratio.

or

a man who is perfect but is the 1st percentile for height.

I guaranty you girls don't even pay attention to proportions like you think they do. but they will instantly reject a short man as they do pay attention to height.

your welcome to keep thinking the way you do. but I guess we cant really prove this 1 way or the other.

KrP1 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 23, 2015, 06:25:21 PM »

i think that some people in this fórum live in mars not in the earth.
Height is the most important physical caracteristic for woman.
If you are really short they doesnt care about any other good caracteristic that you have, you are out.
END.

KrP1 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 23, 2015, 06:27:02 PM »

who would date a girl first?

1-brad pitt face with 5foot height.
2-adrien brody ( ugly man with 6foot 1)

END.

endomorphisme · « **Reply #22 on:** February 23, 2015, 07:29:35 PM »

what kirp1 is trying to explain, it's that height is the only physical characteristic, which you can't change, that can be considered as unacceptable for a romance with a woman.
I would like to add than when you ask a girl to describe the perfect man, she always, or atleast in 50 % of the cases, to mention his stature.

Uppland · « **Reply #23 on:** February 23, 2015, 07:40:06 PM »

Quote from: endomorphisme on February 23, 2015, 07:29:35 PM

what kirp1 is trying to explain, it's that height is the only physical characteristic, which you can't change, that can be considered as unacceptable for a romance with a woman.
I would like to add than when you ask a girl to describe the perfect man, she always, or atleast in 50 % of the cases, to mention his stature.

Yes unfortunately height is an important part of our attractivness. Obviously it isn't the most important but if you are too far out of the average range it will be an issue more or less.

Also I think we can all agree that it is very benificial to be tall, i.e more than 7CM above the average height.

ItsMyLife · « **Reply #24 on:** February 24, 2015, 11:12:06 PM »

7 cm above the national average height feels good, really. Good enough to feel tall.
7 cm above the youth average (if there is such a thing. like a broken tape recorder, I saw the pdf files of western countries. youth height = national average), feels great, divine in fact. I think the youth in my country is 175 cm average (but again, I repeat, this is perception. doesn't agree with statistics).So for me I guess 182 cm is great.

As your country average is higher, the no. of cm might be smaller. ie, maybe 5 cm above youth average of 180 cm is already tall, instead of 7 cm. (cf: another shorter country)

As you get taller, the returns diminish.

endomorphisme · « **Reply #25 on:** February 24, 2015, 11:24:09 PM »

so 189 cm is perfect in Sweden
in my coutry (france) it's 187 cm

Uppland · « **Reply #26 on:** February 25, 2015, 03:37:02 AM »

Quote from: endomorphisme on February 24, 2015, 11:24:09 PM

so 189 cm is perfect in Sweden
in my coutry (france) it's 187 cm

Would say 191-2CM is pretty much perfect, but that's just my opinion.

Can't say anything about france though.

YellowSpike · « **Reply #27 on:** February 26, 2015, 02:00:04 PM »

Quote from: Uppland on February 23, 2015, 07:40:06 PM

Yes unfortunately height is an important part of our attractivness. Obviously it isn't the most important but if you are too far out of the average range it will be an issue more or less.

Also I think we can all agree that it is very benificial to be tall, i.e more than 7CM above the average height.

100% this. It's when you're far out of the range of "average" (super short or super tall) that your height will really negatively impact your life. This also goes for men who are too tall.

NewHeights · « **Reply #28 on:** February 26, 2015, 02:09:11 PM »

Quote from: YellowSpike on February 26, 2015, 02:00:04 PM

100% this. It's when you're far out of the range of "average" (super short or super tall) that your height will really negatively impact your life. This also goes for men who are too tall.

You are correct sir. I found a study a while ago that polled college girls on "average attractiveness score based on height". 5' 11" to 6' had the highest average score, while below 5' 7" and above 6' 5" were relatIvely low. Let's not forget though, that the 6 5" guys are rare, and the 20% of girls who want them will be like leeches.

YellowSpike · « **Reply #29 on:** February 26, 2015, 02:21:19 PM »

Quote from: NewHeights on February 26, 2015, 02:09:11 PM

You are correct sir. I found a study a while ago that polled college girls on "average attractiveness score based on height". 5' 11" to 6' had the highest average score, while below 5' 7" and above 6' 5" were relatIvely low. Let's not forget though, that the 6 5" guys are rare, and the 20% of girls who want them will be like leeches.

Exactly as I thought. And we have to account for the fact that, even though girls SAY 5'11-6' is most attractive, they can't tell visual height down to the exact inch (unless they themselves are very tall women), so even 5'9-5'10 guys can almost be in this "ideal" range. It's when you're under 5'7" (especially if you're stocky/fat/too built) that you start to appear very short. So I'm very happy at 5'8", even if I'm a pinch under, because I feel like in more of "safe" range (especially considering the other things I have going for me).

Uppland · « **Reply #30 on:** February 26, 2015, 02:23:17 PM »

Quote from: NewHeights on February 26, 2015, 02:09:11 PM

the 6 5" guys are rare, and the 20% of girls who want them will be like leeches.

You're onto something, while I don't think most girls mind a guy being way tall, it's only a fetisch for some.

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