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[Overdozer]

You did great work to regain full flexion. do you remember how long you take until you are able to bend 160 degrees ?

3 to 4 months. I guess you can do in 2 if you work harder.

[alex]

3 to 4 months. I guess you can do in 2 if you work harder.

I hope so Dozer.

[bluebarbie]

3 to 4 months. I guess you can do in 2 if you work harder.

Hi dozer, I did latn femurs. Before taking off the external fixators, I could bend only about 50 degrees. As soon as after they were taken of they suddenly rise up to about 70'. Now it's been 10 days post operation and they are like 80'.But I feel like the progress is slowing down as it had been 80' since about 5 days post operation. Is it normal. I am worried that I won't get my full Roms back or if I m not approaching in a right way.
Can u please share how you worked on yours?
Ps: when lying on my back it is way less than in sitting position, did u experience it too?

[Overdozer]

Hi dozer, I did latn femurs. Before taking off the external fixators, I could bend only about 50 degrees. As soon as after they were taken of they suddenly rise up to about 70'. Now it's been 10 days post operation and they are like 80'.But I feel like the progress is slowing down as it had been 80' since about 5 days post operation. Is it normal. I am worried that I won't get my full Roms back or if I m not approaching in a right way.
Can u please share how you worked on yours?

I don't think you should worry about it. It's hard to notice progress in such short period of time (5 days), give it a few weeks and you should see difference. At 80 degrees ROM what I did is just lie down on my back then cross one leg with another so the tibia is hanging acting as a weight, but I had one leg which I could bend. When I got to 110-120 degrees I started using my hands pulling the tibia to the femur.

Ps: when lying on my back it is way less than in sitting position, did u experience it too?

No, but tt's way less when I lie on my stomach.

[bluebarbie]

Thanks alot dozer

[Overdozer]

Just removed my last external off my femur. 15 cm total. Drugged and happy as fck.

[bluebarbie]

Congratulations dozer

[aspirant185]

Congrats Bratushka ! Really happy for you

Can you post some photos to take a look of the proportions

[Peaceout]

omg you are 15 cm taller lol  enjoy your new height!  can you post some pictures please? We really wanna see your new body!!! 

[Overdozer]

Congratulations dozer

Thanks, Barbie. I see you're doing good too. Keep it up.

Congrats Bratushka ! Really happy for you

Can you post some photos to take a look of the proportions

You really want that? I lost a lot of weight during lengthening and I look like a skeletron king. Trust me, you don't want to see that. I'm currently planning humerus lengthening and after I'll be doing HGH and Testo to quickly build weight also will do some weight lifting. Then mb you will see.

[Sweden]

Just post the pics please.

Pictures are the only way to explain this journey at.

[Overdozer]

Here are some pics. You can see every bone segment I've lengthened both sides. I had my femurs corrected to account for mechanical axes change, left femur / right tib xrays are like 9 months old

http://imgur.com/a/Ewccj

[theuprising]

Just post the pics please.

Pictures are the only way to explain this journey at.

Would you post pics in briefs if you went from 167cm to 182cm?

[Peaceout]

Will you lengthen your arms? If so when?

[Overdozer]

Will you lengthen your arms? If so when?

Soon enough. It took me around 3 months for my previous femur to get rid of knee ROM limitations, shouldn't take much longer this time. Also I have a slight duck-ass which needs addressing.

I've been warned about paresis which is supposedly a common occurrence during AL, however it's temporary most of the times, judging from the studies I've read. Still I'm worried. Just a little bit.

[Peaceout]

Can you be more clear?How much will you lengthen?And forearm only right?
And why did you exceed your wingspan so much,you could do less .Dont you think 12 cm way too much?

[Overdozer]

Can you be more clear?How much will you lengthen?And forearm only right?
And why did you exceed your wingspan so much,you could do less .Dont you think 12 cm way too much?

Actually Dr. Kulesh does offer forearm lengthening too, but I'm going with humerus - should be easier to tolerate and recover from I guess. About 3 cms

12 cm isn't too much unless you're already average/tall, which means relatively longer legs. And AL is required anyways if you go over 8 cm IMO. That's the thing about two surgeries - you gain more, but you also gotta give more. Take a look at Apo The God - he's my inspiration.

[Peaceout]

Actually Dr. Kulesh does offer forearm lengthening too, but I'm going with humerus - should be easier to tolerate and recover from I guess. About 3 cms

oh i meant humerus* my bad.Alright good luck with that

[Peaceout]

12 cm isn't too much unless you're already average/tall, which means relatively longer legs. And AL is required anyways if you go over 8 cm IMO. That's the thing about two surgeries - you gain more, but you also gotta give more. Take a look at Apo The God - he's my inspiration.

Well it doesnt mean he did an inspirational thing just because he did 20 cm.Its not a good thing.He ruined his body and proportions for sure.Thats why people should have realistic goals for this surgery i think.

[Overdozer]

Well it doesnt mean he did an inspirational thing just because he did 20 cm.Its not a good thing.He ruined his body and proportions for sure.Thats why people should have realistic goals for this surgery i think.

I know Apo isn't liked on this forum, but you can't deny that he probably had the best documented recovery and results in LL community. He didn't 'just' lengthen 20 cms (try actually lengthening such an amount). He fully recovered his joints ROM - knee, ankle, hip. He put on a lot of muscle and is in a great form. He also shared a lot of LL material and information with us. Can't deny that.

Not sure if you've seen his latest pictures, but from what I've seen, his results are by far the most impressive.

You're entitled to your own opinion, though.

[Alu]

I know Apo isn't liked on this forum, but you can't deny that he probably had the best documented recovery and results in LL community. He didn't 'just' lengthen 20 cms (try actually lengthening such an amount). He fully recovered his joints ROM - knee, ankle, hip. He put on a lot of muscle and is in a great form. He also shared a lot of LL material and information with us. Can't deny that.

Not sure if you've seen his latest pictures, but from what I've seen, his results are by far the most impressive.

You're entitled to your own opinion, though.

Considering the existence of this forum...it's clear he has a history of lying...wouldn't be surprised if his recovery was also fabricated in some form...

[Peaceout]

I know Apo isn't liked on this forum, but you can't deny that he probably had the best documented recovery and results in LL community. He didn't 'just' lengthen 20 cms (try actually lengthening such an amount). He fully recovered his joints ROM - knee, ankle, hip. He put on a lot of muscle and is in a great form. He also shared a lot of LL material and information with us. Can't deny that.

Not sure if you've seen his latest pictures, but from what I've seen, his results are by far the most impressive.

You're entitled to your own opinion, though.

I dont have any positive or negative feeling for him.I mean i didnt even talk with him in his diary or something.Plus i discovered this surgery like 7-8 months ago.First i found old forum and this one finally.So i have read many diaries,many posts,other stuff..(including apo's)And i believe the information i have about this surgery is not so bad.Also i really dont believe he fully recovered after 20 cm.Its just insane that you are pushing your segments for 10 cm imo.How can you possibly believe that someone can fully recover after 20 cm? wow!I dont even think you can just recover %100 after 8-9 cm.And if you believe that is possible its just because you want to be taller(and you are taller now,you did a big amount) and fooling yourself.And yes ive seen some of his pictures.Maybe its not too freaky.Still just think about it.His torso belongs to a 5'7 guy.When he sits in crowd  it will be wierd as fk.But standing? wow a huge 6'3 guy! If i remember correctly his sitting height was not even 90cm.My sitting height is roughly 93-94 and im just 173.He will be shorter than me when we sit but when we stand up can you imagine what it will be like? seriously.. 

[KiloKAHN]

Congratulations on getting all your frames removed finally. Wow, you have a lot of mental strength being able to push through externals on both femurs and tibiae. Humerus lengthening should be a breeze in comparison.

[Uppland]

This will mark the first diary of a patient lengthening humerus, very interesting.

[asfastaslight]

Wow based on your success I will do my tibia's there for sure!

[Sweden]

Would you post pics in briefs if you went from 167cm to 182cm?

Yes I would and I have.

What's the problem if you cover your face? Why even write a diary if not showing the way it really is?

[Sweden]

I dont have any positive or negative feeling for him.I mean i didnt even talk with him in his diary or something.Plus i discovered this surgery like 7-8 months ago.First i found old forum and this one finally.So i have read many diaries,many posts,other stuff..(including apo's)And i believe the information i have about this surgery is not so bad.Also i really dont believe he fully recovered after 20 cm.Its just insane that you are pushing your segments for 10 cm imo.How can you possibly believe that someone can fully recover after 20 cm? wow!I dont even think you can just recover %100 after 8-9 cm.And if you believe that is possible its just because you want to be taller(and you are taller now,you did a big amount) and fooling yourself.And yes ive seen some of his pictures.Maybe its not too freaky.Still just think about it.His torso belongs to a 5'7 guy.When he sits in crowd  it will be wierd as fk.But standing? wow a huge 6'3 guy! If i remember correctly his sitting height was not even 90cm.My sitting height is roughly 93-94 and im just 173.He will be shorter than me when we sit but when we stand up can you imagine what it will be like? seriously.. 

This is so spot on.
Lengthening that much will totally ruin your body for life.

Constant aches. Difficulties in rang of motion. Sitting awkward in every car there is, look like a joke when sitting down, spider legs, forget about descent running and much more to it.

[theuprising]

Yes I would and I have.

What's the problem if you cover your face? Why even write a diary if not showing the way it really is?

Your starting height at 173cm was 6cm higher than dozers. Proportionally you have a bigger everything than he does. Yet he has lengthened more than
you will even if you do femurs. I think it's pretty obvious why the proportions pics won't be forthcoming   

[Alittletooshort]

I dont have any positive or negative feeling for him.I mean i didnt even talk with him in his diary or something.Plus i discovered this surgery like 7-8 months ago.First i found old forum and this one finally.So i have read many diaries,many posts,other stuff..(including apo's)And i believe the information i have about this surgery is not so bad.Also i really dont believe he fully recovered after 20 cm.Its just insane that you are pushing your segments for 10 cm imo.How can you possibly believe that someone can fully recover after 20 cm? wow!I dont even think you can just recover %100 after 8-9 cm.And if you believe that is possible its just because you want to be taller(and you are taller now,you did a big amount) and fooling yourself.And yes ive seen some of his pictures.Maybe its not too freaky.Still just think about it.His torso belongs to a 5'7 guy.When he sits in crowd  it will be wierd as fk.But standing? wow a huge 6'3 guy! If i remember correctly his sitting height was not even 90cm.My sitting height is roughly 93-94 and im just 173.He will be shorter than me when we sit but when we stand up can you imagine what it will be like? seriously.. 

There is a thread here from a Dr. who tracked his patients recovery. His results were that after 5cm´s the athletic recovery goes down to 60-70% of the pre op level. So at 10cm´s+ the likely hood of a recovery over 50% is very low and probably below this.
The only way of getting back to 100% (if it´s even possible) is by staying below the 5cm mark. An orthopaedic surgeon (who uses the fitbone) I have spoken to even said that he can´t imagine anyone recovering completely after 2-3cm´s.

[Sweden]

There is a thread here from a Dr. who tracked his patients recovery. His results were that after 5cm´s the athletic recovery goes down to 60-70% of the pre op level. So at 10cm´s+ the likely hood of a recovery over 50% is very low and probably below this.
The only way of getting back to 100% (if it´s even possible) is by staying below the 5cm mark. An orthopaedic surgeon (who uses the fitbone) I have spoken to even said that he can´t imagine anyone recovering completely after 2-3cm´s.

Exactly. It's impossible to ever recover to 100%

I reached my fully physical potential in my twenties and I can tell that I'm around 45-50% of my potential.
Maybe this is as good as it gets. Don't know, but my broken foot has hindered me the most. =(

[aspirant185]

Exactly. It's impossible to ever recover to 100%

I reached my fully physical potential in my twenties and I can tell that I'm around 45-50% of my potential.
Maybe this is as good as it gets. Don't know, but my broken foot has hindered me the most. =(

Do you think if you lengthened 4-5 cm instead of 7, it could have been better ?
Could you walk normally and jog ?