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Re: My son's growth
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2015, 07:51:37 PM »

Around what height did you think he was going to be?
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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2015, 08:28:20 PM »

Around what height did you think he was going to be?
I guess around father's, which he is, according to genetics he's fine
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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2015, 09:14:30 PM »

1.2mg per day is a very small dosage?????  3.6iu a day is a tiny bit more than a normal healthy kid would produce in a day.   Even for old men 3.6 iu a day doesn't do a lot when they produce less than 1iu a day naturally.   To get hgh working you need big dosages.  That is from a bodybuilding perspective.   I do not understand your sons condition.  Just trying to give you some information on what I know. Good luck
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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2015, 09:45:47 PM »

I think so, but they check the IGF-1 which is high 661 which is beyond the limit. My intuition tells me it is too low. I have also read about 3.6 iu daily. With that amount I don't think we can get good outcome. Thank you.
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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2015, 09:59:33 PM »

Hi,
What country are you in ??? Is insurance paying for this treatment??
I was 165 before leg lengthing and I am now 178cm.   I have the same worries about my 2 boys being short when they are adults.   I have a family member who is a surgeon and we have discussed this between us and he believes a child who is nearly fully grown naturally will need double the normal hgh dosage so approximately 6 -7 iu per day split into 4 jabs. He is not a specialist in this field though. 
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Re: My son's growth
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2015, 10:10:21 PM »

Also, what brand of hgh are you using?  Not all hgh is made the same way. Some brands are better than others for different things
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Re: My son's growth
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2015, 11:01:15 PM »

Using humatrope elly-Lilly. Had a hard time for the insurance to approve. Before we used nutropin Novonordisk?
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« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2015, 11:09:03 PM »

I am in US. Insurance is paying. I have to fight for everything. He is also on Lupron each shot is $6000. Crazy prices. I have read the growth hormone has to be 3mg to help for pubertal kids. I don't know anymore.
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Re: My son's growth
« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2015, 12:59:11 AM »

I guess around father's, which he is, according to genetics he's fine

Exactly that's why I don't understand why she is stressing. Both parents are well below average height and son is in the middle. It was very unlikely he was going to be average height.
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« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2015, 06:36:21 PM »

What is there to be surprised. Mother is trying to do the best for her child to grow to the max.I know he did not grow to his fullest because of the growth hormone deficiency, and I was late catching when he was already 14. I blame myself all the time that did not take him to the endo early.I was working with  the ND who told me to take him to see the endo. He also had many GI issues I was trying to correct, because I thought if he is not getting enough nutrition then he will not grow.Did not know about GH. I was trying to approach the issues holistically. This is a correct approach, but I don't have time.
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Re: My son's growth
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2015, 12:44:01 AM »

aromatase inhibitors and tamoxifen to keep the growth plates open for longer time... try it
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« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2015, 01:49:30 AM »

His predicted height is 5'6",with a 95% chance that he will be between 5'2" and 5'10. With growth hormone, the mean increase in adult height is about 2.5 inches, so he could end up anywhere between 5'4.5" and 6'0.5". However, I doubt he's going to reach the upper-end of that range unless he is really low on the tanner scale.
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« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2015, 02:09:11 AM »

Unlucky cases are like mine m'am, I am 16 years old and I had been 5'1" since I entered puberty. I am a great example of those who don't have a growth spurt (my growth spurt was only of one inch). My growth plates are fully closed already and I doubt I will grow more than 2 inches at this point of my life. My father is 5'7" and my mother is 4'10", that's all I got to say. Height is a dice, not everyone is as lucky as the other. As for the HGH, I doubt they will work. I was under HGH for 4 months when my plates were still open and all I grew was like 1 centimeter. If money is not an issue for you then go for 8-12 months for better results. + at this point don't expect your son to be 6'0" tall, as just as he hits 5'5" (his father's height) or taller then he should be more than fine, I didn't even reach that.
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Re: My son's growth
« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2015, 02:28:28 AM »

Genetics remain a mystery among scientists and the common, but let time do the work and make decisions then.

Meanwhile, build yourself and who knows? You might not need cll.
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« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2015, 04:00:14 AM »

Insurance paying for the growth hormone. So he is on it for now. No change at all. We will see. Thanks for the response though. I am not sure where he is in puberty. But on the medication I have stopped or delayed where ever he is. Good luck to you.If he can reach his father's height I will be thankful.
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« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2015, 04:01:31 AM »

Yes. I will see. I am just trying to do everything to avoid LL.
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Re: My son's growth
« Reply #47 on: January 15, 2015, 04:17:03 AM »

Yes. I will see. I am just trying to do everything to avoid LL.

Is he unhappy at his stature? Has respect played against his favor due to his height?
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« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2015, 05:05:05 PM »

He is very shy. Maybe yes. Kids don't look at you with respect :). He does not understand these things, but I know.
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« Reply #49 on: January 15, 2015, 05:08:27 PM »

He is very shy. Maybe yes. Kids don't look at you with respect :). He does not understand these things, but I know.

Does he have aspergers?
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Re: My son's growth
« Reply #50 on: January 15, 2015, 05:12:00 PM »

No!!
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« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2015, 05:23:57 PM »

No!!

Lol why the exclamation marks? I know from experience that kids and adolescents with Aspergers simply don't notice social cues and subtleties like "normal" kids do. After all, I have Aspergers.  :)
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« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2015, 05:33:52 PM »

Been wondering for some time now that my daughter might have some very mild form of aspergers.
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« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2015, 05:38:33 PM »

Been wondering for some time now that my daughter might have some very mild form of aspergers.

Btw are you Galaxystar from old forum ?
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“If you're afraid - don't do it, - if you're doing it - don't be afraid!” ― Genghis Khan

172 cm in the morning (67.8"); 170 cm (67”) at night; Sitting Height: 96 cm (37.8”); Goal: 184.5 cm (6'0.7"); Ultimate Goal: 192 cm (6’3.5) morning height, 190 cm (6’3) “night” height
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« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2015, 05:39:23 PM »

Yes I am galaxystar. :)

My daughter just admitted the other day not being good at reading nonverbal body language.
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« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2015, 06:05:43 PM »

She is not shy that I am aware of and always told by teachers that she is a very likable kid, even popular with a very big heart and not a judgemental bone in her body and will say hello to any one of her peers who crosses her path in the school hallway, so definitely not shy as that is not something one who is shy would be able to do. She even once stated she could care less about height even if born a dwarf. She has however already seen the negativity towards short stature on social media. I will admit she inherited the big heart likeable charismatic personality from her dad and not from me, lol. Then with her just starting middle school just this year and knowing that middle school is so much more different than elementary school who know's what lies ahead for her.

But to stay on topic I have just made appointment to see if my daughter's growth plates have cclosed.  After doing somer reading on the subject I 'm certain she has one more year of growth left or maybe has stopped completely, which means another inch or half inch of additional height at most. She began puberty three years earlier than myself and am disappointed and I blame all the extra large servings of dairy that was not organic dairy, not much exercise really and very bad sleep with issues of mouth breathing that have been affecting quality sleep and a worn out even aged appearance upon wakening in the morning which I did mention to the doctor. I also pointed out that tonsils appear large, much larger than my own, and that my own mother had tonsils removed but doctor preferred to wait but did finally give referral later to ENT (ears, nose, throat doc)twice and which I decided to cancel twice, since the mouth breathing appeared to be seasonal. It's looking more that she got the short genes from both my mother and her father's mother, the aunts are 5 to 5'3" on my moms side but her dads mother there are several aunts as short as 4'10" in fact I think they are all below 5 feet on dads mother side. My father and his father however, (my father in-law) is where the tall genes would come from with the woman/aunts closer to 5'5" to 5"6 in height.
The question I have is if there are cancer risk with growth hormones and if it is too late to begin the treatment for girls and if my insurance will pay for all this. I'll find this out soon.
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« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2015, 09:10:40 PM »

If she has growth plates open, HGH might help a bit. I have stopped my son's puberty with medication, but I cannot completely suppress those. Trying to do my best. I caught my daughter's early. They don't have good statistics about the GH dangers. My kids had deficiency, that is why I am comfortable to give them. I am not sure if it will work with kids with normal GH levels. Insurance will give you any reason not to pay.
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« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2015, 09:33:40 PM »

If she has growth plates open, HGH might help a bit. I have stopped my son's puberty with medication, but I cannot completely suppress those. Trying to do my best. I caught my daughter's early. They don't have good statistics about the GH dangers. My kids had deficiency, that is why I am comfortable to give them. I am not sure if it will work with kids with normal GH levels. Insurance will give you any reason not to pay.

Thanks for the info, this is all new territory for me and it all sounds very confusing already. But yes, I'll see that doctor checks the GH levels at the appointment when we have the growth plate x-ray done, and to make certain that I must be very persistent and pushy with the insurance on this.
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« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2015, 09:37:19 PM »

Yes. They also do the blood test for puberty. Checking LH,FSH, estrogen, testosterone. I have x-rayed my kids hands. But also for my son I asked specifically for the knees. The hips also can be checked. Good luck.
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« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2015, 09:52:56 PM »

Yes. They also do the blood test for puberty. Checking LH,FSH, estrogen, testosterone. I have x-rayed my kids hands. But also for my son I asked specifically for the knees. The hips also can be checked. Good luck.
I don't understand what height did you expect your son to be?
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« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2015, 09:54:21 PM »

The question I have is if there are cancer risk with growth hormones and if it is too late to begin the treatment for girls and if my insurance will pay for all this. I'll find this out soon.
Cancer risk is very low, studies exist, just google them up. If she's 13, that means she still has about 1 year of growth and her plates are in the process of closing. That means you need HIGH dosages of HGH. I've actually made a lot of research about all of this when I was 16 myself and I did abuse HGH (at 10 IU/day, no insurance, no prescription, our own money) at that point though it was too late. Keep in mind that rHG costs a lot that's why the dosages in the studies are so low, and thus the gain, government can't afford it to a point of actually making someone average, they usually adjust the dosage just for it to be enough to bring you to 'minimum normal height', like 150-160 cm. In your situation, the only real thing you can do is to abuse rGH, you need hardcore dosages to gain anything. You should've started GH therapy earlier, seeing that she's shorter than her peers.
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« Reply #61 on: January 15, 2015, 10:29:39 PM »

At least his dad's height. He is 5.3 only. I want 5.5 at least.
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